Can we change the title of the pit?

[Daeluin]

As we aren't closing threads, it'd be fantastic if we could encourage a culture where if a thread is pitted and the members refine their pit-able posts into something worthy of the main boards, then the thread could be un-pitted.

 

Yes, all of this is unlikely, and would require most parties in the chain of reactive posting to all refine their posts and dissolve whatever polarity they came to stagnantly revolve around. But it'd be cool if the idea of this could be pinned at at top post in a pit, so that threads in the pit are not necessarily permanent residents, and always have the - however unlikely - potential for redemption, following the model of dao.

 

This does bring the focus to the member, changing nothing else. The ancestor's lower soul may stick around the grave for us to visit, and we may also visit their higher soul in the heavens. But someday they may return to unite the two back into one, so that grave is not a place of permanent residence.

Edited April 18, 2015 by Daeluin

[blue eyed snake]

When grass on a mountain takes fire, there is bright light. However, the fire does not linger in one place, but travels on to new fuel. It is a phenomenon of short duration. This is what penalties and lawsuits should be like. They should be a quickly passing matter, and must not be dragged out indefinitely. Prisons ought to be places where people are lodged only temporarily, as guests are. They must not become dwelling places.

 

 

 

However, our "Pit" is very much a place of permanent residence, and this is a difficult obstacle to overcome in our situation, and does indicate a lack of circular flow. But what can be done?

 

All in all I greatly appreciate the subtle, ever moving nature of these forums. While maintaining consistency and stability, there are gradual changes according to the times. Nothing should ever become fixed, and I have a lot of respect for dawei flowing with the invitation to explore the situation and being open to make changes.

 

I don't agree with that, what resides in the pit are the written sentences, the records that someone has used offensive behaviour/talk/posting and is for that reason removed to the pit.

 

The record remains in the pit, forever, and that is a good thing. But the person is free to come back into the forums.

 

When i opened my account here that was one of the attractive features. That all and everything is kept in the pit. Not deleted, not shoveled away, just down there.

 

What i think is more of an issue is the various 'records' we have in the pit.

 

 

There are people who once in a while get pissed and shoot off something they probably later regretted

There are people who regularly start to rant and rave bu who are adviced to do that in their PPD

There are people who habitually ( and more ore less consciously) are trolling

people who are difficult in other ways.

 

I respect the way the mods deal with various 'offenders'( i'm o so happy i'm not a mod...) But the pit should stay a place where people, most people, preferable don't land. All those 4 catageries land sooner or later in the pit, but, as said before, we dont want the pit  to get  'status'

 

I think its new name should reflect these qualities. eh I've read all the books of judge dee, there is always a room full of dossiers, all and everything is there, what is that room called? in chinese that is?

[dawei]

As we aren't closing threads, it'd be fantastic if we could encourage a culture where if a thread is pitted and the members refine their pit-able posts into something worthy of the main boards, then the thread could be un-pitted.

 

That would definitely be an option.   Usually it is Pitted because it may just be too much work for the staff to split it... but I'd like us splitting more instead of moving all posts.

 

Yes, all of this is unlikely, and would require most parties in the chain of reactive posting to all refine their posts and dissolve whatever polarity they came to stagnantly revolve around. But it'd be cool if the idea of this could be pinned at at top post in a pit, so that threads in the pit are not necessarily permanent residents, and always have the - however unlikely - potential for redemption, following the model of dao.

 

Yea... back to reality

 

This does bring the focus to the member, changing nothing else. The ancestor's lower soul may stick around the grave for us to visit, and we may also visit their higher soul in the heavens. But someday they may return to unite the two back into one, so that grave is not a places of permanent residence.

 

[Daeluin]

Yeah, the idea isn't really to change anything - what we have works very well. But the linear, non-circular, end-of-the-road nature of the pit was brought to light. By simply pointing out the potential for what is dense and stagnant to become re-integrated, we bring circularity back into the picture, even as we show just how difficult it can be to successfully accomplish such a task (the same difficulties with landfills). And perhaps after one unsuccessfully attempts to recover a thread, it might become more clear how important it is to work towards balance in the moment.

 

There was a thread raised about people who drastically edit posts, and how this can be frustrating, as it obscures the original flow of the thread. But in a forest, this is always what happens as transformation unfolds over the course of time. When we expect to understand exactly how something unfolds, we are focusing on the human mind more than the mind of dao. When we allow our intuition to guide us, it helps us fill in the gaps, helping us to feel the truths beneath the surface.

 

People change. When we attach to who we knew them as yesterday, and treat them as this person today, we hinder their right to change. Have you ever done something silly that you regret, then proceed to learn your lesson and transform inside... only to have a friend who always brings up that thing you did and treats you as the person you were, even though you have faced those mistakes and used them to transform into someone new? Attachments can be frustrating. It certainly helps us to realize we must pay for our actions, that's for sure. But should we be forever treated as only the person who made a mistake?

 

Often, very traumatic situations will continue to rule our lives, as they represent the largest extremes we have ever experienced, which are the most difficult to overcome, due to their immensity. But it just takes time, patience, persistance - even if someone visited extreme violence upon us, if we only attach to the mistake they made as validation for our own pain, we only prohibit both them and ourselves from changing. Really we must look at the impact caused by that trauma and placing our sincerity on healing, over time we will gradually build up the power to reshape that impact so that it no longer obstructs our ability to flow freely. This is something we must do on our own, to heal the impact's effect upon our own being. Meanwhile the other person responsible for the trauma, AND the location where the trauma took place, will continue to exhibit evidence of the trauma, until they find ways to also resolve the trauma. But meanwhile we have healed ourselves and are no longer attached to our role as part of that event.

 

For example, say I get into a fight with someone close to me, and this becomes a pattern of fighting between us, mostly in our home, until we both split and go our separate ways. Well, I can recapitulate those events and work out why exactly I found myself unable to maintain peace and harmony in that situation, coming up with solutions and trying them out in real world situations until I break through whatever that challenge required for healing some deep karmic pattern. If done completely, that can heal the internal trauma inside of me. Then I can go back to that home where the pattern manifested and remains evident, and do some healing work on the remnants of that energy, atoning for my actions and showing how I have changed, offering apologies for my part in the energy created in that place. This will not completely cleanse the encapsulation there, but it will reshape my own contribution to how the energy manifests now, after the fact, and further help to disconnect my own participation from this historical moment. Meanwhile the truth of the event itself remains buried in time, even as the motion of the stars can be traced back to a particular configuration at that moment - we can't change the past, but we can use the present to re-weave the disconnected threads of the past, leading what is stagnant more towards the direction of unity.

Edited April 18, 2015 by Daeluin

[Songtsan]

Had new idea, haven't read most recent posts; create levels and levels of realms within taobums that one can post in...no one need ever be banned ever again! You could have different levels of Samsaric hell realms where people's threads/posts can be sent, or they can post (if they know that their post belongs there)....think gradations on a continuum. The titles of the realms should all be titled with honorable labels...it would make things really fun I think, versus everyone taking things so seriously. This is the gist of the idea- don't anyone chop off its head yet. I need to flesh it out more.