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I just returned his PM to me. I do understand why he reacted as he did. No problem. I am here mostly to be challenged mentally. When I do post it will likely be for that purpose. Dot

Thank you.

What is an asterisks, asterisks, asterisks?

I have no idea who Vmarco is.

That's nice. So that gives you the right to be an ***?

You have one really wierd sense of humour. What is a sheeple? The word does not exist. The hunting was referring to hunting for a topic to speak to. Food is referring to food for thought and discussion. Maybe I should just leave this forum if I am going to get these types of protests.

I have been hiding in the shadows but have grown hungry. The hunt is on. Beware all you sheeple. Food is food. I will be looking for the weakest amongst you. Signed, The Cheetah

Thanks for working on that with me. My main interests here are two-fold: that the English translation you end up with is smooth and grammatically correct and most important, the significance of Ziran (Tzu-jan) as you have translated it to "Self-fulfilling". (Sorry Cat, "self-igniting" just doesn't seem adequately descriptive.)

Good advice above. But don't get too hooked on the "living with Nature" part. You don't need to find a cave in some mountain somewhere to do this.

Yes, "always" would be hard to justify in the "real" world. We all hit the bumps in the road. However, I think that it can fairly be said that Tao and Te are always self-fulfilling. Man? Different question.

To try to define time is similar to trying to define Tao. Neither of these two are "things". In the case of time, it is a random measurement of the movement of one thing based on the position of another. No movement, no time. This can be called a "static condition". A "dynamic condition", on the other hand (was that the left or the right?), signifies movement and now we can define a time measurement. Be dynamic Y'all!!!

Interesting subject. Humans are animals. I watched a documentary last night and it seems a Mantis Shrimp has self-awareness but a Moray Eel does not. (In a mirror, the shrimp viewed itself and went on its merry way but the eel tried to kill the intruder.) There are many animals beside humans that have self-awareness. But yes, there are many things going on after self-awareness has been attained. These "things" will vary between species as well as between individuals.

Yes, "independently" is a word that perhaps is improper. Perhaps back to "spontaneously" self-fulfilling"?

Hi, I am AKA Dot.

No, they are the self-fulfilling type.

I'm a guy, really. I was aware of that. But my Cheetahs have Dots.

Getting better. It is still a tongue twister for an English speaking person. Can this be justified?: A man cannot order them, therefore he honors Tao and prizes Te (and this leads to) [or] (which becomes) independent self-fulfilling.

Thanks Basher.

Nice. Maybe more work on the last one? Dot