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That is correct. Those who stabilized enough their nature during their lifetime will have lots of chances in the bardo according to the capacity of the practitioner.The superior ones will exit very early and the inferior ones will exit-or not at all- very late when is much more difficult due to the overwhelming experiences at that stage.Those who exit are only liberated from samsara but dont achieve buddhahood yet. Recognition or discovery of one's nature is not enough to have 100% certainty that after leaving the physical body you wont continue your journey through the cycle of rebirths. And my personal experience is very limited.I only know through direct experience what my nature is but haven't stabilized it yet. This process of stabilization can take decades.Unless one decides to spend lots of time in retreat in which case it can still take a whole decade but that however depends of that person's diligence.And then let's not forget thogal which can take, again, a very long time to complete. We only have to look at the masters of the past and see what their level of dedication was and how many decades they've lived in strict retreat to understand that once rigpa has been discovered, if you want to bring it to its full measure and be liberated you need to offer your entire life to it.It would be very arrogant of me to believe that i can do it better or in less time than they did it.I can only work with myslef as i am right know and right know i am very far from their level of commitment and diligence. Believing otherwise would be pure fantasy.

Dear tao bums, The end is near. Dont waste your time meditating and accumulating virtues. Listen to our beloved masters who speak about the essence of the path always. The true teacher always introduces the knowledge of reality to their students from the beginning of the path. If you fail to see the nature in that moment dont worry.There are various methods to employ in order to discover that.It may take a while but once you know for yourself what the essence is all you have to do is that moment by moment to recognize it and rest in it. This way you practice the essence and there is no greater practice than this. We have been conditioned to solidify our fear of not being advanced enough by way of practicing virtues and meditations which can only develop qualities which have nothing to do with our nature.This is similar to building muscle by going to a gym.You are building muscle but you lack brain. It is astonishing how we fail to realize that that which is beyond any limitation can never be improved or touched by accumulating virtues and qualities.It is also astonishing how we don't see that all these qualities , stability, tranquillity, virtues, samadhis are only related to our temporary vission which in order to exist it needs a body and an identity.If we want to attain total liberation we need to go beyond all these limitation into nature itself which is beyond time and space but unfortunately all those qualities and meditations can never escape time.The only hope we have with these dualistic practices is to improve our dualistic mind or samsaric experience. Which is fine if you want to continue to enjoy a samsaric experience.But you won't achieve liberation.That's for sure.

You don't need any of that stuff. Just forget it.And letting go doesnt lead to liberation.Self-liberation leads to liberation. Self liberation implies knowledge and seeing of one's nature. Stabilizing your mind and attaining samadhi is just a conceptual path. And i am not talking about zen.

Knowledge no. But knowledge of one's nature yes.

Stop meditating. Meditation doesn't lead to liberation. Knowledge of one's nature does.

I would add to that CNNR. He gives teachings by webcast nearly every month.

If you receive transmission and don't discover what you are supposed to discover, ask someone to slap you unexpectedly when you go about your bussiness the usual way. I'm not suggesting that you are in need of a slap.

That's right. My mistake.....

Yes, it is spoken of an "instant presence". However i wouldnt know if this is similar to what is important in the nondual traditions of advaita or other such traditions. What you are introduced to during this transmission is this instant presence or primordial state and if you discover it you will have knowledge of it.That knowledge is callled rigpa.All you have to do from there onwards is to rest in the knowledge of your primordial state.

The transmission given this time around is a direct introduction to your own state.The principle of the transimssion is to introduce the individual to their own state so that they can discover it for themselves. If you can't discover it at the time of introduction(wich is the case for 90% of us) there are methods wich you can apply on your own in your own time until you discover it. The present transmission doesnt transfer any keys but allows you to practice the methods mainly related to the discovery of your nature the rushens or the various types of guru yoga. If you want to practice the various deities, trulkor you need the specific transmission of those deities with their mantras and so on...

This kind of transmission is only given 3 times a year related to the three anniversaries: that of Phadmasambava,Adzom Drukpa and Garab Dorje. But Rinpoche gives direct introduction in many other occasions based on various methods of introduction:through clarity,emptiness,bliss. If you can't attend this transmission dont worry.You can attend any webcast where rinpoche gives the introduction to the natural state via Yeshe Zangthal (through emptiness). Or there are webcasts on a specific deity where he introduces the natural state via clarity and bliss in the same time(i.e., Heruka Ngondzog Gylalpo or Jnanadakini)

Love is overrated. But hey....if you want to be loved stick with Geesus. And as far as i know a "buddhist" doesn't come with an out of the box view. It acquires one based on the approach of the school he/she adheres to.

Allwayson, why do you like yourself so much ? Dont you know that you should go beyond all likes and dislikes ? You are ridiculous ......

I don't understand you. Should I ? Don't be a tourist. Stick to the essence . You've listened to CNNr. He tell's it straight.Few other people do. There is nothing else to know apart from the essence. If you KNOW the essence you know all the limited perspectives down to your very dear theosophy friends.

If you do the six lokas, yes.

This recommendation though is for those who are still stuck in the lower tantra attitude

These days wherever you go you only have one thing in mind. To plug your "amazing" book. Wake up...............

There isn't a samsara outside of your mind.

Nice. So you go with Namdrol then... But i think we are talking about different things. What i am saying is that dieties like kalachacra, vajrapani.tara,amithaba...etc........are sambogakaya manifestations whereas tulkus or tertons are believed to be nirmanakayas wich as you pointed out would imply that they were budhas before which is not possible.....

That is how i heard CNNR explaining it . When causes and conditions are present a sambogakaya form will manifests to fulfill a certain function....

If you don't agree with the teachings of vajrayana you don't have to continuously tell us that you don't agree. We understand that. Try to stick to Pali buddhism and be happy with that. Or is it that you can't leave it alone because you are afraid that there might be some truth in Vajrayana ?

The limitless dharmic methods can be categorized under three main approaches in accord with how is the condition of a human being. These three are also called the three existences of a human being:body, energy and mind. The canonical buddhism focuses on the body aspect where Vajrayana focuses on the energy aspect. Trying to marry these two aspects is not a good idea because it will lead to various contradictions since working with the body implies abandoning the objects of the senses in order to achieve liberation whereas in working with the energy, the objects are not seen as an impediment any more. Because the passion arisen from the interaction with objects is used as a fuel and as a means of transforming that experience into the nature of deity I think the problem comes from seeing canonical buddhism as the absolute point of reference. And i believe that the Pali canon preserves the teaching related to our bodily existence.In that regard the message of the Buddha is complete and nothing was left out. If you want to understand the energy side of our existence Vajrayana vehicle is the one to practice.This vehicle is separate from pali canon and its roots are totally different and separate. By opening our hearts to the limitless time span we gradually begin to understand that Pali Buddhism and Vajrayana are only a drop in the infinite ocean of dharmic methods. So my advice is that if you are interested in approaches who deal with energy you should seek to receive vajrayana teachings where the complete understanding about chackras, nadis, prana is preserved.If your goal is to debate whether the pali canon is complete or incomplete my advice is to try not to see anything beyond it and take it as it is.

Some tantras of the Vajrayana were revealed to Mahasidhas in pure vissions, dreams directly from Dharmakaya . The deity practices revealed are called Sambogakaya emanations. They form the basis of the various sadhanas practiced today in Vajrayana. The dharmic methods for achieving supreme liberation are not limited to the form of canonical buddhism. Canonical buddhism is only one of the limitless dharmic methods that existed over the eons.

I agree.That's how it is.

Myself , i respect Malcolm's opinions and views regarding teachings a lot. He played a major role in educating people and clearing up misconceptions about the teachings especially dzogchen. But if you followed his progress over the years you also know that he has changed his views and the way he sees the knowledge he amassed over time. If you read the DW posts on the dzogchen thread you will come to see what i mean. One of the major changes was when he realized that he only uses his knowledge to debate others and not for furthering his realization of the teaching . I do not know though what are his present views regarding zen people or if he holds other views in this respect than in the past. But the fact remains that i continue to value his knowledge of the teaching and i listen with much interest to whatever he has to say.