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Ian Duncan's book Mapping the mystery is not yet released, but he has released a translation of the Nei Jing Tu. I haven't read it yet, it is not printable so I have referred it to my IT-tech (brother) to fix that issue. Ian Duncan claims two Long Men Pai lineages, so it will be interesting to read. If you check out his site, he seems to be less on the Sith side of Nei Dan and more on the awaken Awareness side. For him, shows of powers is a sign saying you should avoid that teacher!

No, but we should give feedback on the style of communiation so that he can take the chance to let it evolve. Yet he is insultive when asked for clarifications, or goes of in another direction, avoiding the subject. Maybe that is Sage-like? Which was very good. And if you become a follower of Void, and translate his posts, I will be able to partake in his research and his ideas. Because having an idea is not good enough, being able to communicate it is as important.

I define clear cut differently than you, maybe because english is a second language. But you do answer the question about being understood: If it requires reference books to understand your theory you do not wish to be understood. 😎 Cool

@voidisyinyang This includes me....

I can live with that. Although technically trigrams are binary based symbols to which we attach meanings. Correlating them to the eight natural forces (limited to how I experience them in my practice) is using one terminology, a more descriptive terminology would correllate to how I would describe basic ideas from physics, but without having measurements that validates my experience. That is the nature of ancient descriptions, you can paste them on a lot of situations.

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So if I went back 3000 years, and brought a couple of magnets and some copper thread, I would get a physics lesson? Well, that sounds more relevant than the thread in the Yi Jing section where the trigrams seems to be a geography lesson. 😁 I will stick to the eight natural forces as an experience in meditation though, it might not be correct but it is useful to me.

For the record: I am still waiting for the clear cut version of the right hand up left hand down theory. You might find that another SFQ practitioner described the energetics of that one years ago, on this forum. 😁

So if I do not understand you I practice self-censorship? Isn't that a bit aggressive?

Isn't that the problem? Hasn't quite a few persons, including me, stated that it is really difficult to se what you are discussing? In your posts you combine undefined term with another undefined term, building chains that few seems to be able to follow. The question is, do you want to be understood? Because I would like to understand your chain of thought. Wang Mu have a list of code words, you might want to look at it and cut back to the basic words most here are familiar with and a clearer description on how you interpret the transformations happening. This would include a cut-back on the physics, since I doubt most spammers here are up to date. In other words, keep it simple so we can enjoy your posts. You do a Western - nonwestern distinction in your posts, but sometimes I feel that is just an excuse for not writing in an accessible manner. You do post here to be read and understood? Or....?

I'll pm you.

Sounds interesting, so I just ordered it.

I would not call it an explanation of qi, I would call it physiological explanations of sensations you sense in you body, sensations that becomes more evident with proper practice. That chinese dudes included this in the concept "qi" is just a cultural thing.

So you have done a deep study on physiology then, specifically on the regulatory part of the autonomic nervous system and how it relates to the vascular system? And you do not think that you can explain a fair amount of basic "qi" sensations through this? Cool 😎.....

The first and the second sentence do not really relate. Real might not be personal, or at least I will not go in to that one since I am weak at philosophy. Meaning, as in the meaning you subscribe to a thing or event, is highly personal. And since many people, cross generations way back, have found meaning in religion and religious experience, your age would not matter. None of this say that you as an individual have to find meaning in meditation, religion, philosophy, or physics for that matter. Short question though:Isn't it hard to have an interest in Daoist stuff while at the same time find some of the (core) aspects devoid of meaning?

Yes, when someone feels intimidated by another tradition then that one makes up a denigrating story. Google translate haven't developed the Nei Dan to english function yet, so I will have to wait a while to appreciate this.

Good point! There is a difference between experience and interpretation, and since the mind interprete as we go and try to fit that interpretation into a known world view, there is a lot of bias here. For myself, I could divide my experiences in two groups: explainable by physiology, and currently stuff I cannot explain. You might find that with some practice, you can improve your ability of sensing what is going on inside, and you can learn to manipulate functions in your autonomic nervous system. And you can call that "qi" if you like, or use words from cognitive psychology or physiology. And then it is the other group, which might be a form of induced mass delusion. 😁 Feels good though. Yes! Unless they are your own, and you find them meaningful to you personally.

All of her books are good, I have found The seven emotions and Wuxing very useful for deepening my understanding of my basic qigong set, they also parallell current research on movements related to emotional states.

Some of the finest posts in TDB history have been featured in classic Mo Pai threads 😁

Janssons frestelse och dopp-i-gryta for lunch, and then I had a salt overload for the rest of the day. No more food, just beverages.

I do not think that a bright, intellectual answer to a koan is the point of Koans, not the path to Awakening.

Ehm I took a wrong turn somewhere and ended up in weird post lane. How do I get back on track?

The almighty I point at you and you feel my sith power.

Later in your post, you equalled pure Yang with Heaven Qi, so... Fire and Water are less extreme then Heaven and Earth, at least in my practice. I find it interesting that you haven't found Heaven and Earth in "most systems". I have only scratched on one daoist system and it was the first that was taught, and I have gone deeper in one buddhist system and there it was again. Taught later in the system, probably because I didn't learn that the seminar way but instead learned it from the basics up. Of course, one could use the fine old argument "the Yang I am taking about is not the yang you are taking about", which is a real discussion killer. The Yang I am taking about is essentially the same in both traditions mentioned above though. Later on you put magnetism and electricity as polarities. I see that often here on TDB. In my experience, as in my practice, the north and south pole of a bar magnet are functionally opposites, while electricity would be the result of this. Or, as the zapping club say: Merge yin and yang to become a true zapper. (Actually, I have less than 60 days of my current practice to do and then I will spend a serious amount of time to see if the method in my tradition actually can accomplish this). Probably not, I do not think zapping is my destiny, but the method do other things as well so it will not be a waste of time. Yes, in my PPD I have several aspects of the practice where Damo Mitchell is in line with the Mo Pai litterature.