Mudfoot

Is this the version from Taoist yoga? And then you have a version in White moon on the Mountain peak, and one in Daoist internal alchemy by JAJ. And......

If you side with the sheep, you have to rely on the shepherd or fear the wolves. That is the way of the world.

And, building on the above, a teacher to guide you through the levels. But some claim reading the right classic will be the same as having a teacher. Others disagree......

Join Jehovas witnesses, noone would question you then.

Yes. Finally. A Nei Dan thread. Probably going to be filled with: No description of Ming practice. No description of prenatal qi. A discussion on who translates correctly. Cool.

There are such a thing as daoist martial arts, so....... If you really do dislike violence and is a true pacifist, must that be based on religion? Can it not be based on your inner conviction that all forms of violence are wrong?

Personal practice discussion. Where we can rant freely. A nasty place if you ask me Go back to the start page, and scroll down.

Ask on . I have described my practice in nausiating detail in my PPD, you can check that out if you like. In short, I have movements and standing practices. If I had more time I would add seated practice as well.

This is called "make it up as you go", and if I could write that in chinese at least some reading this would be impressed by my Knowledge .

I have work and family, so I do not practice 7-8 hours a day. But I do not intend to become a daoist priest, so there is less demanded of me. I do formal practice at least one hour on my own, and add informal practice and when I practice with patients on top of that. When I learned my tradition, there were 2-4 hours a day, I kept up with that (12years) until my son was borne, five years ago. And I had years of practice before I found a tradition I liked. And you will find that compared to many others here on TDB, this is a small amount of practice. For me, at this time, it is enough. My practice takes me through changes I wouldn't have dreamt of five years ago. But I hope to be able to put in more time again, when the kids are older.

Might have originated in the void (V-origin).

That might be a small obstacle on your road. Which teacher will take you seriously (and teach you accordingly) if you plan to take a year, like a (sorry) tourist? A year of teacher -guided, 2-4 hours a day practice would be more like it. As a start. Or as Wu Ming Jen is fond of writing, you are welcome at Wudang mountain if you have 7-8 hours a day to spend on practice

Why go in to the old library to argue when there are soap boxes for free in the square?

Sounds cool though. Thanks Stephen King!

Technically, we are not aware of the reason/motivation (=emotionally based) behind our choices, so my free will is sometimes based on the goals of the non-concious part of me. Still me though.

"I do not kill with my gun. He who kills with his guns have forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart."

Check out "group studies" and "systems and teachers", under both these sections of this site you will get a lot of information. Personally, I would start with a local teacher before going to national/international seminars. US practitioners seems to enjoy Stillness Movement, Spring Forest Qigong and Flying phoenix. I can honestly say I haven't tried any of these.

Attach yourself to a teacher. Select one system, and go deeper in that system. If the system teach moving, standing and seated practices you are probably covered for most eventualities. Which system or teacher? Well, here on TDB you will find that everybody have their favourite. You'll never know what will fit you. Personally, I tested different systems until I found one I resonated well with. And oh Yes, I would define a normal practitioner as someone who doesn’t make a profession out of the practice.

Yes, as with all learning. Tuition costs. Teacher time, teachers Knowledge. Not to forget, all students who then publish books based on their half-understood notes which is both disrespectful to the teacher and, with the fact that they also starts to teach, in effect might take away income from that teacher. You can also see this situation from another perspective. What if the tradition was government sponsorer. Would then the Master/Teacher teach everybody everything for free, or would he hold back and teach some parts of the system only to a chozen few? Probably Yes to that one. Is that fair? Probably not, but life is not fair. And so a teacher might prefere a student who invest money and dedication to the teachings, because that increases the probability that the student in question will spend his/her life continuing living the teaching, instead of seeing it as a hobby. A normal practitioner does not need that much knowledge to have enough practices to enrich ones life in whatever way one chooses.

The different facets of daoism are interesting.

So no spiritual immortality retaining your identity forever? No yangshen? He wasn't a daoist then?

Off topic is the name of the game here on TDB. But I was curious rather than interested. Getting instructions from someone in the tradition I follow, pre- generation 16, would be really interesting, but since that isn't likely,......

You should not be so suspicios! Just because they all took care pointing out the website, and all accounts have few posts. That's coincidental

Ok, a question not related to the thread (sorry for that) pops up in my mind. Why are spiritual immortals,who are reluctant to teach mortals, spending time teaching a seasoned martial artist more martial arts, instead on focusing on the finer points on spiritual practice?

I have only encountered it in adjunct exercises, like Iron Hand and power enhancing exercises. In the Yi Zhi Chan, it doesn’t look like that. I have no experience of being taught by immortals, but evidently there are mixed opinions about how they choose to teach.