Mudfoot

Since we have established that I have a nei dan reading Impairment, can you please quote the part when LYM states that cultivation of the physical in it self leads to an Awakening to reality?

Qing? Sometimes translated as blue/green?

Because I don't understand it?

No

I believe he states he did all of that himself, for decades, and that it was insufficient to Awaken to the Dao. It's Nei Dan after all, or in this case the great dao of ming and xing.....

If a bear poops in the Woods and noone is there to step in it, is there still a smell?

Craving for attention? You have already posted this link in another thread.

People of sound mind do not visit this site.

Maybe you can come to the same place with other means. I have only experience of this through my method, so that limits my view.

Been there, done that. Actually, still doing that, starting with the first exercise we give to beginners, every day. I just do them better than before. And I spend time on the aspects of my tradition that most shun (the luohan gong), and without that I wouldn't be a part of this particular discussion.

😁 If you look at, for example, the water and Fire thread in the daoist section, there is a lot of posts about building the foundation. Starting with a lot of focus on the LDT is skipping the basic requirements. That leaves you at risk for not being able to handle the reaction. You would be better off starting with something more physical, and slowly and gently add the LDT at a later stage. The LDT is the center that interacts most with your physicality, so use that. At this point, @Gerard would recommend bagwa or xing yi. If you haven't an innate drive for the complex, try your hand at the later.

I thought I would make a non-daoist, non-nei dan comment on this list. No disagreement so far. Not bad 😁. Some methods work a lot with the heat in the LDT. And then, others only work this up to a certain degree and then go on with other work. I guess this is about Du-Ren circulation. According to Komjathy, the ancient texts doesn't focus on this. So you can do this in a slightly different manner. And in my practice, it is "spring water", since my method uses less heat. Absolutely useful. In "White moon on the mountain peak", you see it in front of your face. Interesting enough, Mitchell writes that this metaphore comes from the Nei Jing Tu. But in the njt, it is above the head, which is more in line with my practice. In my method, that does something different from the description in White moon... Some speak about spiritual water, also called unsubstantial water. This is not swallowed to the stomach, it is "swallowed" to the Heart/MDT and down to the crescent moon furnace. And then you work with it, which in my method would be more of an Awareness/wuwei thingie... As you see, some similarities, some differences. Still, even though my method is non-daoist and non-nei dan, I can find support for it in Nei Dan writings. Sort of makes you think that there are more varieties out there, and any single list of items might just be relevant within one branch or one stream of the Nei dan/tantric traditions.

Or, terribly wrong 🤪

Ask voidisyinyang to do his quantum attack, and see where science is these days.

That would depend on who you ask. Begin with reading every post by voidisyinyang. And then ask anyone else, randomly😁

Even though it sucks, it might be better than the one posted by Taoist Texts. So it was a joke.

Shaolin envy 😁

Training methods of 72 arts of Shaolin is better, and free for the download. I practice two of them, and I only recognize the names. The description of the five hands of poison is really funny? Mudball, poisonous Animals,.... I am sure the authors made most of it up.

Actually, there are many arguments against this, they form the core of Kashmir Shaivism and a bunch of other traditions. You don't have to buy it though.

Well, my method diverges from that Damo Mitchell teaches, which seems to be a version of what freeform writes about. And most of what Voidisyinyang writes about is beyond my comprehension (his blog about Freezing the spirit had some good aspects though, with some free interpretation from my side). But since all these nei daners will chew me up if I write about the Shaolin version, @BindiPM me.

Good there are people here who cares..... 😁

But not in this thread, obviously. As for Wang Mu, I have a clear interpretation of that, only problem is that it is different from the latest input in this thread.

But then, Water and Fire would be different things in these two stages, and change again for the third stage? Again, using Wang Mu Foundations of internal alchemy as a source.

She wrote about how to sink the fire, the other half of the equation needs to be adressed. You might also argue that she wrote about tong rendu, and not qian santian, hou sanguan. And yes, I am now quoting. With regards Taserfinger (yizhichan..... 😁)

What! After more than 160 clarifying posts on the subject, and you still pop a question like this? @Bindi are you implying that most of the posts are unable to clarify the issue🤪? "Those who know, do not speak. Those who speak, do not know."