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I remember when Ma Bell was broken up when it became apparent they exherted too much influence on their overall market.

well said. and even more troubling both seem utterly saturated in absolute certainty, and a pervading sense of Naive Realism.

The Secret Oral Teachings In Tibetan Buddhist Sects: Alexandra David-Neel and Lama Yongden

crazy? crazy? of course I'm crazy! but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Incidentally, I just recalled I know a guy who translates Greek, Latin and Sanskrit for fun, in his spare time. It's relaxing and good mental exercise simultaneously. For him anyway. There are people who translate for the joy, for the process, not profit. They can be found on the interwebs should you have something you really desire to have crossed over. Also incidentally, regarding paid translations... exchange of money does not imply quality and professional does not always imply more accurate or better, it can just mean 'i get paid for this', or 'i charge money when i do this'.

The word that arises when trying to share my experience of it is unfolding. The sense is of unfolding in Dao. Continual opening, non grasping, non seeking, simplest raw presence that is never static, yet never traveling anywhere. Simple effortless unfolding. Thanks for sharing your insights and experiences in this thread. The way you express yourself resonates familiarity and is appreciated. Your words really rang the bell when they passed through awareness. Thanks mate.

Sadly true. It seems that while the industry that is American healthcare will do what it can to treat you, it will extract as much cash as possible in the process. The American healthcare industry to me seems financially predatory in nature.

you remind me of one of my favorite exchanges between Churchill and Lady Astor: Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your coffee." Winston Churchill: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it."

It's not about choosing one over another...my point was not to advocate the Western Carpenters approach, or the TCM, or the Ayurvedic, or the... My sharing is that through experience I realize that the front maintained by medical approaches that they have full understanding is just that... a front and that my relationship to the entire approach has softened in its innate trust. I used to really trust what doctors said. Like you said, go to two and get two different answers. Now I realize that doctors are at the behest of the information they had to absorb to get their degrees and this is not full data. So I've about let go of Western approach for prevention and understanding and come to not innately trust what any person says. I consult them, but not innately trust whatever is offered. In the West, they excel at trauma and injury, I don't hesitate to go to them when injured. But the compartmentalization and the Cartesian Materialistic view of the human body system seems woefully inept at this point in addressing and understanding the underlying principles of long term disease. The fluid human body is not a motorcycle that can be taken apart and replaced when it comes to disease, the way it can when injuries are endured.

it's crazy, i'm thinking... just knowing that the world is round... and here I'm dancing on the ground. am i right side up or upside down? and is this real... or am i dreaming? Dave Matthews ~Crush

The West it seems excels at diagnosis of symptoms and treatments of symptoms. The five major life threatening issues my wife and I have collectively experienced, of the five, western doctors had no clue what causes any of them. Of the three doctors on my case for the last hiccup I experienced, two of them 180 degree contradicted the surgeon over the best approach to prevention of a relapse. 180 degree contradiction. In the one life threatening issue faced by one of our feline companions... the vets have no idea what causes it. Far less is known than is unknown it seems from my experience. They put up a good front. They can describe symptoms and using their molecular approach relieve symptoms, but description is not understanding... and how often does the relief of symptom through the use of specific molecules, bring about another pallete of further symptoms that must then be chased down with yet more pharaceutical molecules? Western medicine is great at treating symptoms and caring for trauma and physical damage, ie carpentry and surgical repair. As for prevention and true understanding, I've about let go of Western med approach entirely.

From what I've gathered here and there, it seems Classical Chinese relates to Modern Chinese, in a similar manner that Olde English relates to Modern English. I studied Olde English in University and have some comfort in it, but as much as it's similar to modern english, it's more like a foreign language for all it's subtle differences. This is exacerbated when it comes to the cultural connotations and subtle meanings built into phrases that were dependent upon the overal unspoken understandings of the people of the day who spoke it. These phrases and unspoken assumptions that were shared by the folks of that day which were reflected in the differences of their speech are where the real difficulties of deep understanding and comprehension come into play for clear interpretation in my estimation. Your mileage may vary. Either you find a translator you trust and resonate with, take up the task yourself, or resign yourself to partial information. In the end, all that was spoken about in ancient texts, is about human process. That process is ongoing and so, the actual processes and answers you seek are within your mind, form and innate nature. Explore that perhaps and let the texts lie where they are. I learn plenty on a walk through the woods. I find there are more miracles in a square meter of earth, than in all the scrolls, books and libraries of the modern world... combined.

My two most recent formal teachers speak only a word or two of english. I speak a few words in Mandarin. Both are 18th generation in their respective lineages. So much that is communicated comes from beyond, beneath and around words, not from formal language. My teacher now is all of life. The air clouds and trees, the bushes insects, the bees... the turds I encounter on my walks, the puddles i sometimes splash in for joy... teachers everywhere and almost none of them use the canting of words.

speaking of interpretive dance. I discovered something potent at work one day. If you want people to stop asking incessant, inane questions of you... start answering in interpretive dance. They stop coming around rather quickly.

If one has In experiencing a body it seems assured that there will be discomfort, even pain. This is not personal however, and does not mean there must be suffering.

The Gateless Gate: Nansen's "Ordinary Mind Is the Way" Case 19: Jõshû asked Nansen, "What is the Way?" "Ordinary mind is the Way," Nansen replied. "Shall I try to seek after it?" Jõshû asked. "If you try for it, you will become separated from it," responded Nansen. "How can I know the Way unless I try for it?" persisted Jõshû. Nansen said, "The Way is not a matter of knowing or not knowing. Knowing is delusion; not knowing is confusion. When you have really reached the true Way beyond doubt, you will find it as vast and boundless as outer space. How can it be talked about on the level of right and wrong?" With these words, Jõshû came to a sudden realization.

Nature is always communicating. Empathy and simple presence seems key to establishing a link and allowing animals to be at ease. They sense energy and read body language. Animals and insects do not dissemble and lie. I've had in home animal companions my entire life, dogs, cats, fish, ferrets and parrots. I've also befriended wild raccoons, hawks, ravens/crows, seagulls, pigeons and songbirds by the hundreds. There was the time my Father went ghost white when he realized I'd been freely wandering amongst, petting and feeding the neighbor rancher's horses who he informed me, were all wild, unbroken and notoriously angsty around people. They were never anything but curious and courteous around me. Perhaps the heart zone is key... I don't know. It's not a left brain thing, it's a presence, a raw intention that allows me to connect. I do know one thing, it's a poor man indeed who, not listening declares nature mute. All of nature is talking nonstop. I call it spherical listening. Or whole being listening, when I tune in. A softening of mind and an opening of presence (i suspect from the heart). Then the images and notions arise in mind and in time it becomes quite evident when images are arriving from 'outside' me or from within. In time, one begins to see the response to offered intentions in animals as well. I recall the night, sitting on Black Mountain when it suddenly occured to me, the soothing sounds of the forest I'd been veggin out to were predominantly the sounds of millions of little buggers all desperately trying to get laid... I nearly laughed myself out of my chair. Happy hunting mate. It's a wide world and it's all of it, communicating reams of stuff all the time. A veritable Rabbit Hole of depth and wonder.

I've found him to be dedicated to his training in the extreme and very direct in his communication. Refreshing really. But why take other's words for it... go to the source mate.

I found out that in the 40-50's the majority of what folks were seeking relief from their GP for was anxiety according to records. Depression was not really on the radar. Though that shifted throughout the 60's and by the 70's prescriptions for anti-depressives began to exceed anxiety for the first time 18 million to 13 million respectively. Perhaps the hangover from WW2 and the Cold War 50's had folks more generally anxious, not even relaxed enough to be depressed. Or as the following article outlines, perhaps it was due to mis-assumptions by doctors and lack of clear diagnosing guidelines. Hoping to find the natural option you mentioned, I searched for depression treatments used in the 60's, instead of searching specifically for anti-depressents. No luck with any descriptions of natural treatment options back then, but this article titled How an Age of Anxiety became and Age of Depression has quite a bit of information about various treatments from the 40's going forward and the approach doctors had with patients, particularly regarding how diagnosis shifted in the field as a whole and more stringent standards were demanded and developed. This coincided with the shift from general anxiety to depression. I'll do some more digging today after I evict the ghosts of Jacob's Ladder who moved into my head lol and perhaps focus on natural treatments in Europe that may have been adopted here after the war.

I'm intrigued. This class of Tetracyclic antidepressants emerged in the 50's mostly for anxiety and eating disorders it seems. Here's an alphabetical list of Tetracyclics, if any ring a bell. Although you said nutritional and superfood... so back to duck duck go

bubble dancing...

More evisceration of the cult of materialist atomism, revived in the early 1900's to devastating ignorance inducing effect. Boscovich, Tesla, Steinmetz, Henri Poincare... sit down Einstein, descriptions do not equal understanding

Fields cannot be quantized and thus escape notice, or are dismissed outright by the cult of atomism that is modern physics. Descriptions of effects do not equate understanding of nature and are not explanations of what is occuring. We describe and use the flow of electricity all day every day, but still do not understand its origins or what it is, in spite of being able to describe it. While this makes us clever, it's not indicative of understanding. Magnetic/Dielectric longitudinal coaxial circuits that is field perturbation as light. Light is not emitted by a source, and does not travel at a set speed, it does not travel at all... observed light is field perturbations... which expresses at varying rates of induction through varying mediums. which is why we had to agree on a constant speed for light, which if you dig in, is always measured at varying 'speeds'. Capacitance, Resistance, Permeability, Permittivity... juicy bones to chew on a lazy sunday morning.