silent thunder

Well said Mate. I agree. The shift I'm conveying when I talk about release and unfolding, doesn't mean to discourage natural effort, but stems from many years of effort and striving... that left me exhausted and in my exhaustion, I realized, much of the energy I was expelling in my effort, was lost in the tension of trying, rather than being translated fully in the process through the presence of being the action, not trying. So I don't mean at all, to discourage natural effort and work, just the added levels of tension of unnecessary 'forcing'. Releasing into being the entire process. I'm including my last response to the 'effort and power' thread as it seems to speak to this process for me as well. Trying, lately seems counter-productive, an unnecessary added level of tension and resistance in a process that is not conducive, no longer helpful in the flow of being. It seems to impede the force that naturally flows through my mind/body. A good friend once said "don't try to do something, just do it, be it... TRY simply stands for To Resist Yourself. Don't try to not spill the coffee as you cross the room... this adds a level of complexity to the process of being that is unnecessary and impedes the natural flow of energy to be the process, instead of 'do' it. Kids enter samadhi, naturally, routinely in their play. They do not 'try' to play, they dissolve into being the play. This applies to my relationship to power and force. Full being in presence, without the addition of 'trying', allows greater transmission of force and power through the system that I refer to as my self engaging in a process. When I am 'trying' it seems that part of the force generated, or that is always flowing through my process, is transfered into tension, which is actually impeding flow of being and reducing the power moving through the flow. The tension of trying, creates a layer of resistance to the flow of energy through my body/mind, which reduces the effect of force on my actions. Lately, instead of 'striving' or 'effort', it's rather amazing. I go the other way, release into an unfolding, a very neutral non-attached 'being' and presence, rather than layering on another level of intent of mind and body tension with 'trying' to do things Instead of 'doing things' I am simply being it. Instead of approaching 'a task' which is separate from me, as something my body/mind will accomplish with intent forced focus... there is an unfolding and release into being all of it, me, mind/body and the process engaged in... all as one. A space of being whereby once the intent to 'do something' manifests... mind becomes quiet yet still present for response to needed stimuli and changing conditions, without the layer of 'trying'. This supports an internal space that cultivates full presence in being whereby my entire process becomes the process I'm engaging in.... and power flows unimpeded, effortless.

Trying, lately seems counter-productive, an unnecessary added level of tension and resistance in a process that is not conducive, no longer helpful in the flow of being. It seems to impede the force that naturally flows through my mind/body. A good friend once said "don't try to do something, just do it, be it... TRY simply stands for To Resist Yourself. Don't try to not spill the coffee as you cross the room... this adds a level of complexity to the process of being that is unnecessary and impedes the natural flow of energy to be the process, instead of 'do' it. Kids enter samadhi, naturally, routinely in their play. They do not 'try' to play, they dissolve into being the play. This applies to my relationship to power and force. Full being in presence, without the addition of 'trying', allows greater transmission of force and power through the system that I refer to as my self engaging in a process. When I am 'trying' it seems that part of the force generated, or that is always flowing through my process, is transfered into tension, which is actually impeding flow of being and reducing the power moving through the flow. The tension of trying, creates a layer of resistance to the flow of energy through my body/mind, which reduces the effect of force on my actions. Lately, instead of 'striving' or 'effort', it's rather amazing. I go the other way, release into an unfolding, a very neutral non-attached 'being' and presence, rather than layering on another level of intent of mind and body tension with 'trying' to do things Instead of 'doing things' I am simply being it. Instead of approaching 'a task' which is separate from me, as something my body/mind will accomplish with intent forced focus... there is an unfolding and release into being all of it, me, mind/body and the process engaged in... all as one. A space of being whereby once the intent to 'do something' manifests... mind becomes quiet yet still present for response to needed stimuli and changing conditions, without the layer of 'trying'. This supports an internal space that cultivates full presence in being whereby my entire process becomes the process I'm engaging in.... and power flows unimpeded, effortless.

Work, to me, conveys a sense of 'trying', or effort, where release is opening, flow, unfolding and effortless.

For me, rather than working with... or trying to... or attempting to, or forcing... it's now unfolding in and releasing into...

*WARNING* Do not watch this unless you want to be compelled to eat! This guy is so connected. His cooking skills, outdoors over open flames... absolutely incredible! I've learned so much and gained a couple pounds due to watching his channel. Almazan Kitchen.

There's really only one way to do that... find the posts one by one... select edit, highlight the text, then delete. To find the threads you've contributed to... go to your profile page and click 'see my activity' Enjoy your internet fasting and withdrawal. Very cleansing.

Yea, some martial practices come with a severe sacrifice.

WOOF!

Iron Finger. I've seen that done, but in the training wheels mode, when you are still rapping the finger in a small gauge rope prior to standing on it. He got into position with two hands, then withdrew the off hand once he found the position and got the qi flowing I guess. Back then I hadn't even heard the word qi and kund fu was just for kicking ass. Such a kid I was! Asked what it was for and the guy gestured as if he would poke his finger behind my wind pipe and hook it... or poke between my ribs, for whatever reason you may want to do that... His other hand was Iron Fist. He'd punch a steel plate 1000 times every day... his first two knuckles on the other hand looked like they had cauliflower growing under the skin from all the bone callousing. Very intense stuff... again... why one would want that.... no idea.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, just due to a couple of experiences with your mate. Two lasting realizations that dissovled years of suffering occured for me while using psilocybin, to great lasting effect... now twenty years on. Deeply grateful for that particular plant medicine.... Though I do consider it medicinal in use, not dietary. Though I feel the same about meditation and Qi Gong these days interestingly enough. in the end, even our practices must be transcended, as they too are objects of the mind.

I really appreciate this conversation. Thank you all.

Yea, here it is.

Winter Brothers time.

two warriors meet and fight who wins? likely, the one who is training regularly

where is the topic again..? I seem to have lost it.

Wow. reading most of this stuff... what resonates recently is, some folks take their mind talk so seriously.

Won't it be fun when a few of the analysts over there in utah start a pre-work, wednesday Qi Gong on the Lawn group?

I'm wondering what your intent is in the thread ww... do you have a point, or are you just flexing and naysaying anything regarding women... to impress the ladies?

that pic is hysterical!

lmao! I love my fart name association... reminds me not to take my posts too seriously.

I vote yes... Now, while I love to swim, I don't swim in every pool of water I encounter. Simple presence seems all that is required to determine where I will swim. A recent realization alighted in awareness... that my relationship to and image of my energy body has up to now been saturated with my own latent materialist tendencies and filters. I had been imagining, through my Qi Gong and energy work, that my energy body was shaped like my physical body, existed in a place related to, or near my physical body and that unspoken even to myself, that this energy body behaves according to similar principles and processes to the physical, subject to external viruses and attacks, energetic gravity and such, and that it is harboring defenses and anti-bodies for protection. That evaporated very recently in an experience of release. Utterly releasing, or more accurately, no longer being willing to maintain all notions of a self that needs defending from others who are apart. Sudden realization of the complete acceptance of all phenomena, noumena, ontological processes as cloudlike, illusory, shadow puppetry... as a result, instantly there came a spontaneous unreification of all concepts and notions... and a dissolving/releasing of the process that support reifying of ideas/concepts. This simultaneously resulted in a total dissolution, until yin (which I imagined briefly "i" was still abiding in itself as a concept dissolved along with all notions of self, intent, thought, emotion, identity or others. When all that I maintained through belief, projection and illusory identification with process and reified mental concepts was no longer being maintained... that which remains... was gossamer, subtle and pervasive awareness. Awareness in which no separation abides. None possible as there are no refied objects, no mind process, no emotional tones. Awareness Presence, that like the sky, remains unblemished no matter how many emotional/thought clouds raise hell in it. No bird shit smears it and even with the most amazing skills and tools imaginable, I cannot drive a nail into it, nor spit on it, stain it, paint it, or scratch it. In this, there is no harm possible, nor elevation. Merging is merely the dropping of the illusions of separation that are mere shadow puppets. Though I fully understand the reluctance on an unspoken level for many when matters of this are brought up. Intimacy can be terrifying for some. Even the mere idea of opening up... before any exchange manifests, the sheer act of opening up with intention to connect, can release storms that lay within our mental/emotional landscape. Some folks can feel that as they approach the notion of opening up and the fear is a deal killer. So be it. As with all things. In your own time, walk your path. No fear here any longer. No possibility to worry about such unrealities as protection shields, or psychic and entity assaults. One Awareness. Mind manifestations of shadow playing with projections birthing illusory stories which create a relationship with others whereby a sense of self is generated, that may then be savored, worshipped and defended vigorously. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Merge, don't merge... wake up, sleep... walk the path, don't walk...

um. ok. Well at least someone is paying attention... perhaps my words are entertaining reading at some of the holiday spy parties. "Hey guys, don't you think silent thunder sounds like the name of a particularly heinous fart? Here's another load of spiritualized douchebaginess from his royal ass wind!"

Eventually to transcend perceptual self illusions, even our methods of enlightening ourselves from these illusions must be dissolved and released. Even our beloved meditations and cultivation are another layered filter of perception occluding the true essence. Any notions of deities and indeed all mental concepts eventually will also be released, or they remain a self perpetuating duality vortex for our perceptual self to align with, identify as other and hence maintain the barrier of perceptual duality projection over reality.

true picker.