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This is Thetaobums favourite. What about retention?

I thought I was the only one thinking that way.

Still hoping. Maybe as an experimental feature?

What do you think is the best time for sleep?

So really the metal are toching your skin. I thought that using clothes as cushion is OK?

Do all immortals have experience of being physical or some never have? And chiforce the monk you met first time was physically?

Just a simple copper wire would be easy to find. For the grounded end just simply put it inside the earth? What do you as cushioning for the metal you sit on? Sitting on metal won't be too comfortable I think. How about being grounded for sleeping. Or that is too much grounding? haha

The earthing kit sold are very expensive. I guess, the one you create for grounding are not that expensive to make. Been trying to find some instructiion on making the grounding but so far not found yet.

Now that you also do GOT 2, how is the different in sensation in your practise compared to GOT 1?

Haha. you got me there! I usually got obe like symptom or obe when sleeping after meditation. Energetic sensation are also more pronounced. There is something special about the state between falling asleep and awake that makes it especially good for energy practise. Maybe thats why practising while the mind is in trance state or similar to trance state somehow seems more effective. Have you or other here find that your need for sleep is lessened through practising meditation? I guess your mediattion must be deep to get this effect.

Yes. Interesting. Never heard of the sleeping on your back during full moon. What is the benefit and at other moon phase which position are good? Or it doesn't really matter? If for example it gets really dark at 8 pm until 6 am. then what is the optimum time, healthwise? because I want to incorporate practise at night time/ midnight/ or wee hour of the morning. So, which time is good to wake up practising and which time better for sleep.

Thanks!

Is precursor to obe, like silent thunder said. The dark figure, or ominous feeling could be your fear projection, or external entities. In focus 10 or mind awake body asleep state your mind have great creative power. What you see might even be totally off your own creation. Many projector face these thing when starting. Some called them shadow. Essentially parts of yourself. Mostly your fear. Energetic experience are common in this state. Like vibration, buzzing, heart racing (which is actually not your physical heart) You don't really need to do anything to continue to full oobe in the state. Just relax, and don't get excited or emotional, which is actually very hard.

Actually I have read those post before. I did experiment with brainwave entrainment method, gamma waves or whatnot. Most of these are symptom of body disassociation. Which could be a precursor leading to different consciousness state, and oobe. And yes, you can experience them even while doing active everyday waking state. All those symptom do not need cultivation practice, as I have experience most of them, eventhough I never practice anything at that time. I think most here do not understand that it's not that people disrespect or care if TG practice or not. It is how threads are derailed, and distracted. Putting him on ignore doesn't solve the problem. By the time someone read his post, those very someone are already distracted from posting relevant info. And end up replying to TG which is usually of topic. Topic totally derailed. Even those who have lots of experience, and genuinely, unvaguely helpful are not safe from being derailed. Such is the power of TG. He even have the power to chase qogong master and high level practitioner. Haha. I hope you guys get my point. Just to reiterate, there are genuinely capable people, that are being helpful without being vague. That are capable people who are being vague. And there are genuine incapable people who are being vague.

I know that some would like to take care of hum. I don't hate him but usually what he is doing is distracting many threads. Disturbing the flow. Killing many from posting. What he says maybe true or not, but he is repeating many things, all the while without much technicalities. And of course, he will not tell of his personal experience. he like to argues with teachers(which are not many here) and experienced cultivator who is generous with their experience. Hope his behavior do not make them go away and lose hope with TTB. Drew, who no longer post here do repeat himself, but he do post technicalities, and substance. And usually can answer what you ask and will answer through what he experiences. Unlike this guy.

Haha. That was a very deep state. Where you lose all sense of physicalities and surrounding. Much like deep sleep, with some difference. And after being in such a deep trance usually we become very sluggish, it takes some time to get your muscle to function normally again. And by your account, your in a very deep trance state.

It's like your body is totally asleep right? When you wake up from that state your body are stiff all over. Unlike when walking up from sleep. Do you go to delta in meditation?

I thought this kind of experience is normal for you guys here. But alas, not many seems to have experience this. Looking at all the jeer and criticism. Haha Actually, it is very hard to be objective in the oobe state. You practically need to be emotionless. Your emotion will color your experience. So, to see the near real thing, one must control their mind and emotion, and must minimise imagination and expectation as best as best as they can. You don't want to mix perception with imagination. What you think will come into existance quickly, if not immediately. If you're excited, you may create something from your imagination. Or you may even forgot what your original objectives to verify something, and do something else entirely. It takes very skilled person to verify things. They need to stay in the zone that is as near as possible to the physical reality. And it is not that hard to shift into different zone, involuntarily. Thats why for verifying, remote viewing is much more accurate. You got a copilot that can guide you.

Full powered OOBE projection would be harder than remote viewing in checking objectively.

Intersting the relation between sender and receiver, much like reasonance i suppose. I read about long term buddhist meditation brainwaves have lots of gamma waves. But energetic wise, I am interested to know the most dominant brainwave when doing neigong or qigong practise. Maybe the combination of brainwaves at that time that will make the practise mosre efficient. Some peoplelike to do energy practise while in trance. others in normal conciousness.

Yamu, you told me about the brainwave state they measure you in the sleep lab. What is the brainwave state your going through in those short time? is it from beta to alpha, theta and then mostly delta for the remainder of the session? Also if you guys have info on other qigong master, yogi master or other being tested for braonwaves, can you give the detail here. thanks.

No, I am not brave enough to brave all the internet fight asking me to prove it to them. By pm it is ok but not through this post, I don't like to be insulted and questioned by superposter rampant here. hehe For some,practise, there is that concept. But for other practise, no such concept at all. Even those who do healing may not do it in a a healthy cultivating way. That's why we have the same person doing healing and sending curses, making people sick, with sickness that medical doctor cannot do anything about.Ah, I forgot about Thailand too. You are very right, it is dangerous. Some of this practitioner do suffer in the old age. So it's not just dangerous to others, it may post danger to them in the latter age. But I don't think this is something good, The healing like what you and Yamu's are doing is more meaningful imo.

In Malaysia and Indonesia there are lots of much more super stuff, as CT said. Though I doubt that any of you grasp the depth of what they can do. If what have been discussed here is deemed ridiculuous, there are much more ridiculuous stuff, much more than what you guys can probably imagine. But, and it is a big but, many of this abilities are not from cultivating exercise in the sense that we understand here. A westerner, searching for this thing in Malaysia and Indonesia will face difficulty as many here place importances on races, and gender. And what they give to you, if they teach you anything at all, may be just small parts of it.

If it's no problem, how old are you? DIfferent ages different recommendation for retention practise.

interesting. i remember doing move number 3 in a dream