Vitalii

Your opinion is wrong. 1. they do not get harm, because they are advanced. 2. I do not take on such a difficult retreat those whom I do not know personally. 3. it was not me who invented this program 4. it is a traditionally daily timetable of the Quanzhen retreat. http://thetaobums.com/topic/32886-daily-timetable-of-the-quanzhen-retreat/#entry503883 5. this schedule is not for beginners. 6. all practitioners receive very good results. see an example http://thetaobums.com/topic/32886-daily-timetable-of-the-quanzhen-retreat/page-4#entry505059

Surely, a fine practitioner of this Way would understand that godhoods constitute appearances of different aspects of Dao, its emanations. Each godhood has a certain form and obtains certain qualities, features and abilities. That is why a practitioner in fact can apply chosen interim forms of Dao manifestations that appear in a certain godhood, with a limited or prevailing set of qualities and/or features-abilities. In addition, anthropomorphize of all Supreme is used for better understanding and simpler comprehension, and that is why many godhoods look like humans, just more perfect. On the one hand, it makes the practice more clear. However, on the other hand, a difficulty can also appear. Thus, as far as the Higher Truth is put in a certain form, this constrains it unavoidably, or distorts one way or another. As it was said in the treatise “Dao De Jing”, “Dao that can be defined, is not the eternal Dao”. Furthermore, as these emanations and appearances of Dao, videlicet Godhoods, have own personalized form of existence, it often happens that a practitioner may forget that original meaning of this appearance is to guide him to the Source (Dao), and may take a method as a result. As it was said before, the finger that points to the Moon is not the Moon. As a consequence, a person would not be able to move further in own practice, as would stop on a certain level. That is why, in order to learn how to differ true from false, it is necessary to receive verbal instructions from a Master. http://zhendaopai.com/middle-way

I'm always open to a normal conversation with people. In my messages, I do not criticize anyone, and arguments express my point of view. I understand that someone may not agree with it, but I do not think that it is a reason to become personal, rude and insult others. When someone tells lies, I think it is necessary to point out that this is a lie, because if you do not respond, people can believe it. but in general, the war with opponents is not my style, and I do not see any reasons to aggressively attack even those with whom I fundamentally disagree. However, there are people who like to attack and insult others, and, when a person shows rudeness, I reckon moderatorion should be stricter. P.S. Master Ma Danyang said: "Each day, you must not forget the matter of daily practice. Daily practice consists of two types: daily external practice and daily internal practice. Considering daily external practice, you are strongly forbidden to see the faults of others, boast about your own virtue, envy the wise and talented, give rise to worldly thoughts that are the fire of ignorance, give rise to feelings of superiority over the masses, [discriminate] between self and other or right and wrong, or to speak of hatred and affection."

I totally agree with you. I do not want to quarrel with anyone on this forum, but some people come here and start writing a blatant lie about me and I have to respond.

"If your heart is bright, then even in a dark chamber there is blue sky. If your thoughts are gloomy, then even in broad daylight cruel demons appear." _____________ Hong Zicheng

all practitioners receive very good results. see an example http://thetaobums.com/topic/32886-daily-timetable-of-the-quanzhen-retreat/page-4#entry505059 I hold retreats with a similar schedule, but only for those my students who already have a good practical experience.

it is a big mistake. Do you think that this schedule is used in the Quanzhen school to cause harm to people?

1) Response of a student of Zhen Dao: "I started interesting Dao when I have big health problems. I was on immune stimulators for 3 years and each time I need to increase dose to sustain more or less healthy. My last chance was to find something extraordinary to fix this problem. After I start practising my health become stronger and I did not need any immune stimulators now I am practising approximately 3 - 5 hours each day. 2 hours of morning standing meditation, half an hour qigong practises and nearly two hours sitting meditation at night. I started with one hour each day". http://thetaobums.com/topic/32657-hello-all/#entry497837 "But most significant moment for me was related to my health. As I mention it in my first post at lobby topic, I had big problems with my immune system and I was taking tough drugs to stimulate my health. After some months of practising I feel healthy and forget about this drugs. I used to situation when hard work must lead to illness. And I was ill for a long time in some way it helped me to psychologically recover and rest. But when I start practising Dao I can't get ill even when I was drinking cold water and running at minus temperature. My boss was overwhelmed me with work but still I was healthy it was big surprise for me and little bit disappointing. At last I just took one day rest and say that I was sick It was not good from my side, because I was still healthy. So mind your wishes" http://thetaobums.com/topic/32617-the-ah-ha-moment-in-energy-arts/page-2#entry498852 2) Response to Carpathian retreat 2013 3) http://zhendaopai.org/school/testimonials (Russian webpage) you can find more information about my school here http://zhendaopai.com

it was not me who invented this program it is a traditionally daily timetable of the Quanzhen retreat. this schedule is not for beginners.

Antares you do not understand of elementary things. School of Zhen Dao (真道) = Zhen Dao Pai (真道派) 派 translated as "school" Antares, you only demonstrate your ignorance. anybody can check that the name "Quan Zhen Dao Pai" (全真道派) is mentioned in different sourses https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%D1%86%D1%8E%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%87%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C&oq=%D1%86%D1%8E%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%87%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.11143j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=91&espv=210&q=%E5%85%A8%E7%9C%9F%E9%81%93%E6%B4%BE http://www.daofa.org.cn/show_hdr.php?xname=AO2GH41&xpos=10&dname=

I hold 7-10-day retreat. Traditional Daoist retreat in the Carpathian mountains Wang Chongyang says that retreat can be about one hundred days.

Technical definition "Qigong" was used to define the practices, which are the part of Zhen Dao School. I started teaching people with basic techniques [Qigong and Dao Yin], which I knew well, continued self-improvement, and have always given more comprehensive techniques after I had advanced them by myself. It cannot be done other way.

Antares, 1) your lie: "In other thread there was concern about a system of Xu Mingtan. It is well known that Vitaliy was instructor in that qigong system." http://thetaobums.com/topic/32886-daily-timetable-of-the-quanzhen-retreat/#entry504673 but in reality: "I've never been an instructor of Xu Mingtan system." http://thetaobums.com/topic/32886-daily-timetable-of-the-quanzhen-retreat/#entry504681 2) your lie: "And he had no even proper name of it in Chinese and there were only 2 words in the name of the school. Then people said to him there must be 3 characters and he added third one" http://thetaobums.com/topic/32886-daily-timetable-of-the-quanzhen-retreat/page-2#entry504756 but in reality: it is your misunderstanding of elementary things. I did not add the third word. "2 words" is School of Zhen Dao (真道) ; "3 words" is Zhen Dao Pai (真道派) School of Zhen Dao = Zhen Dao Pai ; 派 translated as "school" 3) your lie: "Also ask him about his "taichi" lineage. He can not prove his taichi lineage" http://thetaobums.com/topic/32886-daily-timetable-of-the-quanzhen-retreat/page-2#entry504756 but in reality: Anybody can find information about my Taijiquan Lineage and Transmission on my webpage. Antares, If you really carefully read my website and forum, you would not be talking this nonsense. you are simply repeating a lie about me.

Antares, stop deceiving people. You started writing insults and lie in my address http://thetaobums.com/topic/32886-daily-timetable-of-the-quanzhen-retreat/#entry504673 I did not refer to you after your words " I have no any desire to talk to you", but you continued to write lie about me http://thetaobums.com/topic/32886-daily-timetable-of-the-quanzhen-retreat/page-2#entry504756

Opendao, you always make grand statements, but when you are asked to explain something or give evidence for your arguments, you only answer that this information is secret or do not give a reasonable answer at all. If you cannot prove your belonging to Wuliupai, then you're just fooling everyone.

Antares, if you read my forum, why do you say that I was an instructor of Xu Mingtan system? Why you do not know my Taiji Quan Lineage and Transmission? If you really carefully read my website and forum, you would not be talking this nonsense. Zhen Dao Pai contain Qigong and Neidan and should not be confused the names of Qigong methods with Neidan.

Antares, you do not know me; you have never been in my seminar or retreat; you did not read my website. you are simply repeating a lie about me. we can see it very well in this thread The fact that you haven't heard about something, or didn't see something, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. There are many schools about which nobody knows in the West, and there's no information about them on in the internet, but it does not mean anything in this case.

Opendao, you say that your chinese teacher is very famous in China. Opendao, can you prove your words? Can you clearly answer simple questions instead vague phrases? Give us Chinese name of your teacher, his lineage and transmission, and Chinese source where we can read about it. If you cannot prove your belonging to Wuliupai, then you're just fooling everyone. Can you say the name of the Ma Danyang's student who your Yuxianpai school comes from?

yes, that's what I'm talking about.

Opendao, have you read all Dao Zang? Have you asked all daoist? Opendao, you say that your chinese teacher is very famous in China, can you give us his chinese name and chinese source where we can read about him. Can you prove your words.

Antares, you only demonstrate your ignorance. "2 words" is School of Zhen Dao (真道) "3 words" is Zhen Dao Pai (真道派) School of Zhen Dao = Zhen Dao Pai 派 translated as "school" "Taiji Quan Lineage and Transmission" - this information is available on my website. Antares, you do not know me; you have never been in my seminar or retreat; you did not read my website. you are only inventing and disseminating lies and slander about me and Zhen Dao Pai.

it is the case. initially they were collectively known as "Seven School of Zhen Dao" (七真道派 or 北七真道派) You can check this information on the Chinese Internet. I plan to write big article regarding this topic.

you read all the sources in Chinese? You have a fantastic self-assurance in full ignorance of the history of Daoist schools and also do not know the Chinese language. if you knew the history of Quanzhen, you would know that there are seven schools of Zhen Dao in China.

All this information is lie. There are many differences between Zhen Dao school and Xu Mingtan system.

I was in Xu Mintang workshop to get more information about his system, but I've never been an instructor of Xu Mingtan system.