Birch
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" as long as you're fighting it, as long as you're resisting it or rationalising it, you're giving life to it." Or you're killing yourself? So why do we fight (it)? I also have some ideas on this one-ing. The irony is not lost on me BTW (just in case).
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"go in peace" Doesn't sound like it to me. Why can't one just say what one means? Unless you actually did mean it, in which case, my bad
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I had a dream about just this the other day. Basically the message was that everyone who had ever done what I'd done on the 'path' I'd followed got the same result. Methinks this is why it's called 'lineage'. Still, it is pretty interesting, I think (oh rats, not supposed to that apparently )
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Sounds like someone agrees with my condensed milk analogy:-)
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Are you saying we invented an imaginary technique that works with an imaginary set of conditions? I'm referring to meridiens and acupuncture. I could just as easily refer to neurons and neuroscience. Are you saying when i stop imagining that mercury in fish is bad for people it will be that way? I'm all for slicing and dicing usefully. Because apparently the ways we're doing it now aren't very health nor happiness producing. Yeah, maybe my satire detector has gotten wonky. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Maybe. Especially since it appears it can also fake it's own death in an attempt to persist in conformity under a different semantic flag in response to authoritative religious impulses. Or run up to respond to flattery in a futile attempt at tail wagging. Weird that, eh? Susan suggested something along the lines of 'forget about it'. I think that works. I also like the -ing suffix. It does seem to hop over the semantic trap. But I could be wronging as usualing.
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No. Really?
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"As nurturing and caring for a child is generally instinctual for them." There's some arguments "out there" against this view. But I suspect there's (as usual) a lot of other things going on. I was reading about infanticide the other day...In Victorian England.
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Oh I shouldn't but hell. What's the 16th density? And what's the 43rd and why are there so many of them? As an aside, I always thought 'rainbow body' was just having a sense of your chakras and/or maybe having them nicely up to scratch.
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"we all have to be nice..." Do we? Isn't this 'being nice' thing precisely one of the things that's slowing down a necessary revolution? I'll bet Lustiger is laughing up his sleeve. Can't we be nice and be a44-kicking with this? I'm not advocating violence of any kind (or anything that would result in such) but come on, you're saying a bunch of MMA wizard/shaman 5E experts can't figure this out?
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"is symbolic of the need to kill the ego" Yeah I'd seen some similarities there too. But I'm still not convinced about this 'ego-killing' thing. Isn't realising what it is easier? I guess I just don't 'get' why so many of these references are so harsh towards peopling.
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It kind of made me want to throw up. But that could have been the fish.
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I don't think I do really. What I do think I know is that people who figure some things out or figure new things out (or maybe even pick up old things again out of interest) seem to be routinely rousted and prevented from sharing what they found out if/when such things run contrary to the prevailing social/political power setup. And it can happen in very small groups too. I'm not just talking about nations. I think it's a shame really because then we can't figure out ways to tell whether the "new" thing is BS or not because we can't even "go there". One of the upshots of this is bad 'alt' healthcare and charlatanism in fields like qi-gong and conscousness-training/raising. A really good way of getting someone to back off is to offer them a pain of death dessert. Lots of other ways too. Ridicule works for some. As does flaming them on the interweb if their perspective is a bit troubling or runs against the herd.
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Thanking youing! And why a fried egg? Yes this stuff fries your brain :-) What I didn't know was (from the wikipedia link) "Descartes originally claimed that consciousness requires an immaterial soul, which interacts with the body via the pineal gland of the brain" Now how did he get to that point and then veer off? I suspect because of the/a church who said 'leave off of all that stuff because it's our playground and the king said so, upon pain of death' or something. And didn't Darwin have to tippy-toe around that too?
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Right. But where does this clinging business come from in the first place? Because if I (sic) can get rid of it as easy as pie in this lifetime then I wonder if it ain't just an unnatural 'thing' ('thing' being not an actual bounded 'thing' but you get the drift) in the first place. And if it ain't natural, where does it come from? I kind of have some ideas but I want to find out what other peopling thinking
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Not sure what that is. I guess they just didn't have movies back then
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Why thank you! Yes I do Is this where I'm supposed to add some kind of caveat about the relative boundaries of identity, it's nature as 'process' and consciousness vs latency or something? Wouldn't this 'no-self' teaching thing be a hell of a lot easier if different metaphors were used? Like a 'movie' for example? Going around telling people they don't exist is shocking. Is it supposed to be shocking? What for?
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It's just quieter 'up there' :-) Oh, and maybe not so many silly ideas. A bit less annoyed in general.
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"The question is would this be possible if there was no orthodoxy" I think they (mystic setups) quite consistently run behind most of them too. Whether this would be possible without is in interesting question. But what I can't get my head around is the co-existence of both in the same society. I think it has to do with social/political power. But why the mystics would condone that purpose, I'm not quite sure, yet. I think it's possible for mystics to make mistakes...but is it possible for 'mystery' to make mistakes?
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"I still don't know how to explain them." Which apparently is the best position to be in if one wants to shift paradigms. Because if you can't explain stuff with the 'old view' and it won't fit into that one even if you distort it (or yourself) to fit then you know you're slap in the middle of the new view :-) Which might be an old one after all BTW, we just seem to keep updating this stuff.
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I'm a bit upset no-one asked me if I exist toot toot toot
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So you would like to see a new visiting messiah type happening? I think my position on that is that it doesn't help much. I'd vote for the "immanent" stuff as well. I think if people realized their own "divinity" they'd take better care of it/themselves. But it would also have to be shared immanence with the planet. Or maybe those who don't share it could be sent off to the promised land in a space ship and leave the planet's stewards to it. But I don't think I have much of a choice in the matter. OT weren't the buddhists already involved with the Nazis? There's some story there.
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But isn't this stuff supposed to be 'self-realizing' anyway? What I'm saying is if you're riding in a vehicle that's taking you in the wrong direction, at some point you might want to get out and start walking yourself. Ok, maybe that wasn't very clear. Now if we started off with a correct understanding of 'isness' as process or 'ing' rather than leading people to believe the static subjective 'is' inherent in most statements about others (which is IMO how this nonsense starts) then we wouldn't have to spend all this time correcting ourselves afterwards and we wouldn't be banging on about ego or clinging. Or maybe we would anyway...
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"Avoidance just postpones resolution" And IME resolution is where it's going anyway. So I guess you can go the incremental route or the massively life-changing due to extreme event route, or anywhere inbetween :-) Or go give up and live in a cave
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Interesting experiences. Maybe if we could get to the bottom of this 'omniscient' stuff - rather than people just saying they have had an experience of it and managed to convince someone else who bought it because they haven't experienced it we might get somewhere I ought to add that K is not always lots of fun. Having yourself drop out the bottom of yourself is about as much fun as throwing up IME.
