Birch
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What's this then? Added link http://curiousnewyork.blogspot.com/2011_04_01_archive.html interesting!
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When you c*m, you're giving her too much love...it's weird to say but that's how it is. Too much love kills...lol She needs to learn to get used to this formality. There's sex, but just no ejac. I've been having sex with my wife for 4 years, without ejac, and it's...awesome. it's just completely natural, there's never an awkward moment... I wouldn't equate ejac with love. But it's sort of 'nice' to hear that you think it does Did you ask her why that's what she wants? You can talk with/to women you know Anyway. I'd go ask the master of ejac without freaking out. Mr Seth Ananda.
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"why would any soul wish to come here to the Earth only to go back and sit in the void. Why bother? Who does it help?" Um, the soul themselves? I think "helping' is really dangerous terrain to get into. IME from having attempted it on more than a few occasions, I got more than I bargained for in terms of responsibility. It could be that I was just unskilled and actually sucked at doing it (another reason to not do it, do everyone a favour...) The 'reason' I go hang 'in the void' part of every single day is because without doing that, I feel I'd inevitably roll too much with too much of the ambient BS we have going on in our less than compassionate society. I also figure that compassion is not restricted to areas of sickness and health. But might also happen in education, in business, in farming, in science, whatever. So maybe there are 'healer' paths in many paths?
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"Still, even with the best efforts, kids are their own persons. We can't really control them. Kids will walk their own path anyway. It's futile to try to manipulate them beyond just giving them some starting tools. " Well see, this smarts :-) "best efforts" to do what exactly? Aside from making everyone's life miserable :-) It sounds flippant to me when I say it that way, but just how many people on this forum are spending inordinate amounts of time/effort/practice attempting to undo some kind of damage? The pain and suffering IME/IMO is real. Has to be a better way :-) As Mr Cow suggested, try telling people to get their "beings" in order before having kids and I suspect you'd be accused of taking away a right of some sort... Edited to apologize for taking this thread waaaaay off track.
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"For me to say "just don't worry about it and have fun" is dishonest." No, I said, 'get on with living' which is actually pretty challenging in many respects. And why should 'having fun' be antithetical? I happen to 'have fun' un-brainwashing myself and learning how to challenge my own stupidly received ideas about many things :-) Every day, I think to myself, 'what do I want?'. Even allowing myself to entertain the thought is 'practice'. The story of your Dad was interesting! I was pondering my earlier statement about 'Parents can't know the future' and I wanted to add that if they did, they would treat children as being already on the correct trajectory for it from the start, rather than attempting to turn them into a model of their failed past or missed opportunity. An example would be just 'working'. I was brought up to 'work hard' with the distant goal of being a corporate cog. Had my parents recognized me from the start, they would have understood the 'best' trajectory and so in effect 'done their best'. But what they recognized was, someone else. And so didn't 'get it' and probably had quite a hard time in their 'not getting it'. They actually still don't :-) But I do think there are things that can be imparted to children that are useful ('good for them') whoever they are. Skepticism is one of them. I'm sure there is a list of workable things :-) And I'm almost also sure that teaching kids some of them would be frowned upon:-)
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"If you can reword it so that a 10 year old can understand, maybe I can reply to it. " Alright. I'll try. I don't know how good at it I am since I don't speak to today's 10 year olds very often. You are a unique part of life. Life goes on and even if you die, life doesn't. So don't worry about it and get on with living :-) (I don't know if there's a smile in there for a ten year old :-)) How did your father predict the fall of the Soviet Union?
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"What??? You're being so clever in the last paragraph that I can't even understand what you're saying. I'm not going to get into a discussion on the scope of one's being at this time. " Ah. Is that another cop out? Accusing me of being to 'clever' to avoid discussion is a neat one Parents can't know anything about the future :-)
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"It was drilled into you? Don't be so sure. The drilling certainly happens, but we do have a choice to go along with the drilling or to reject it. I accept personal responsibility for all the drilling that's been drilled into me" " accept personal responsibility for all the drilling that's been drilled into me" I don't. Perhaps therein lies my failing so far? I can't hold myself responsible for other people's failure to treat me correctly in all circumstances. Which is exactly what I figure I was doing to get myself drilled in the first place. I can however, hold myself responsive to whatever the situation requires (and if someone is kicking me, I will get away :-)) So seems like we're saying something similar? Not sure. If we're discussing choice in this matter, why small children would prefer to choose the option of seeing themselves as responsible, over the admission that their parents are selfish a44es and don't actually give a toss to take care of them very well...well, I've heard this and that about it. No real conclusion thus far. Is this an error of childhood? Just part of human development?If it's just part of human development, then there ought to be better ways to mitigate as it's happening rather than having to adopt a range of practices to go digging it out after the fact/damage done. And don't get me started on the religious/authority/society/therapy industry stuff that plays into the whole mess. IMO Wholesale taking of responsibility is another cop out :-) And when some people try to do it, they end with with grandiose visions of themselves as 'the whole shebang' when they're plainly not (is this Zen sickness?) Most certainly an aspect of the whole shebang that knows it is, per the Diamond Sutra perhaps :-) But a 10,000th thing nevertheless :-) Hence 'your' immortality is a given but 'yours' is also not. So no point in wasting a life on it :-)
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Ah well, that would partially explain the insanity-feeling thing (another reason to learn 'techniques' to calm yourself down when you're in that 'But, b-ut, but' space, I suppose). But not entirely, I'm guessing. We had a discussion a while back about self-structure and 'outside' influences and infectious memes. Sort of reminds me of the discussion about dogma of scientific content vs non-dogmatic scientific method. I digress :-) I currently believe that without a strong sense of self (that includes openness to change and having your beliefs invalidated pretty often BTW) then you end up getting buffeted about and defined (defining yourself) by everything and everyone else, on their terms. I can see why this could be blissful. No more personal responsibility! But I also believe that this is a cop out (given the current state of weird that the world is in). It was only recently that I uncovered this belief that I didn't actually deserve anything good and that everyone else was better than me. Now I wasn't born believing this. It was definitely drilled into me. I also don't believe in 'past-lives' but I do believe that structure might be 'there' and growing during gestation. Birth is about getting free of someone else :-) Do we see 'momma's boy' lions? Or 'daddy's girl' wolves?
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My opposite view to yours ZerosTao. 'Scientists' must go through extraordinary (re)conditioning in order to practice the scientific method purely. Unfortunately, as some of us with qi-gong and meditation practice may have figured out, it's extremely hard to break previous conditioning in a way that ensures no remanent will persist to bias the desired approach. In fact, because of this inherent difficulty, many scientists are doing no more than allowing their previous biases expression in more subtle ways. So while reaping the benefits of the method, they are doing it a disservice. Poetic or artistic practice does not attempt to resolve bias but express it and make it visible so we can't compare these types of thinking and expression with any success. As a consequence, value judgements of the type you suggested, have to be couched again in bias.'
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Tao's great! In a way I'm quite glad I took the course from Santi because he didn't do any explaining. More 'experience'-based. But I also enjoy looking at the process from a lot of different angles, so adding the 'technical' stuff in is good too IMO. The stumbling blocks I get with technical explanations are more to do with my own lack of knowledge and education on these matters so I've been trying to remedy that. Still, I keep finding I come up with ideas about things (often after a 'teaching dream') that then get discussed and debated elsewhere. It's hard to know 'where' this stuff comes from. Is it something I read ages ago? A direct 'insight'? The 'teaching dream' sounds weird. But that's exactly what it is. 'Someone' comes along and teaches me about something while I sleep.
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I don't believe in entities that attach to you. Should I? I do believe that connections are made but if you give your side up (un-attach) then how could it hang on?
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This is good. Is there any dogma in science? I guess not the method itself - although I suppose there might be ways for it to be hindered/corrupted by dogma? And if so, is there any way to counter it through some changes to method? Maybe not.
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Ah yes. The letting everyone else tell you what you are thing. I can distinctly remember being taken down a few notches and having it explained to me that it wasn't 'done' to trumpet one's accomplishments. Nowadays I do trumpet them, but just to myself :-) So Mr GIH, are you still saying that beliefs are the drivers of experience and never the other way around? If so, then does it follow that ridding yourself of all of them would be the way to best experience reality? Or do you just rid yourself of the unhelpful ones? Replace them? I suppose I'm asking, what's easiest?
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Wow. I understand roughly 10% of this thread. But something about that documentary about the Kogi and another idea about fluoride in toothpaste and water supply came to mind.
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I don't know if this stuff works http://www.trc.ca/websites/trcinstitution/index.php?p=6
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Regulators respond to complaints. They're not pro-active. So one can't 'wait' for regulation to take care of everything. And complaints are always weighed with respect to other forces - like the 'benefits' of having a private outfit do stuff that if governments did then folks would be up in arms. I'm sure each person can think of a few examples. Funny that some folks seem to think it's the other way around.
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I know that stuff. Thank you. Hopefully the result of the 'thought from the past' that left me bawling for part of this morning is that it's cleared out. If anyone knows some 'be all and end all' techniques for this, I'm all ears...I'm done with it.
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Oh, good question. Here's what I found when I went looking. I didn't like your tone much. It reminded me (as I said already) of what my parents would say just before they hit me. And I happen to fully disagree with the idea that one should get rid of oneself (per the buddhist exhortion). So there are 2 reasons at least. If it's of no concern to you why bother telling me to 'stop whining'? I don't get it.
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Thanks Manitou. I see the posts (and posters) who make me furious as an invitation to go see 'what' it is. In regards to yours. It's just all this amends stuff. I don't want to do it as far as my parents are concerned. I feel tears welling when I imagine myself apologizing for being a terrible daughter. Why inflict more pain on myself? I don't get it. Added this excellent link http://www.iraresoul.com/psychology_essays_p1.html
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"They are current for as long as you can't remember what actually happened -- precise memory is their undoing, while symbols, thought-constructs, ideas, images, any "possible" or "likely" or "feasible" or "believed in" explanations, etc., are their hiding places..." Most excellent TaoMoew!
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"Yeah stop being such a whiner". Thanks. I recall that phrase from my mother and father right before they used to slap me. I wasn't 'being a whiner' as you put it. And I'm not a buddhist looking for destruction of self either. Otherwise I'd be on a buddhist forum. Yes, I have my 'path' as you put it, and I was asking you about this practice you recommend. Like asking a seasoned meditator about some aspects of theirs. So, if I take a cue from you on the anger thread, I'll suggest I'll stop being a whiner when you stop being an a44.
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Because the likeliest bums (to my knowledge) to be flying over the Cotswalds would be Apech and Cat. And Leon would be, during this moment, on a skateboard somewhere downtown Vegas or (if nature calls) on a surfboard somewhere nice and warm :-)
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"and those programs are technology-specific," Not 'business-model' specific (as well)... No. Of course not :-)
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opposable thumbs, even Nice nice I was going to say something stupid about being careful for what one wishes for. But that's just my experience. Sorry.
