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Confused? No look. I believe what we (might be) referring to might be as in the 'I am this and that, I was born here and there and I have XYZ values and if you step on them it hurts a mofo. Right. Now I know this. Do you still want me to get rid of it??? But I was still born here and there. Before I had a name, I existed.

And I'll second, They're super sexy :-)

There's live chat on TTB's?

Hey Leon, There's a bunch of 'disclosure' material around if you want to go find it. I sometimes wonder what is being 'worked up' to with this stuff. I hope your K adventure hasn't sent you down 'lack of discernment' creek. IME there's such a lot of weird in that all by itself (or there was for me, or whatever ;-)) that discernment is a useful skill to relearn - or if you didn't know or weren't taught how in the first place (not your fault BTW), take the opportunity to learn now. There's a lot of really interesting history/mythology around aliens (just to say that they don't just 'date', from the Reagan era). For a while I was pretty convinced that humans couldn't possibly be (entirely) from Earth. Now I'm just back in the "I don't know" camp. I keep looking at creation myths and finding a bunch of similar -sounding threads running through them, but that doesn't mean the myths are true either...

'...f*cking drill it to the end'." Right. With most of these practices I end up with 'I don't know'. To the question 'who is writing this?' the answer 'I don't know'. Any advice on what you do with that sucker?

Thanks for this Manitou, it made me absolutely furious (no sarcasm intended) in that 'drive by' manner. So I started wondering why your post made me furious and Cow Tao's didn't make me furious and I couldn't figure it out, but I was furious all day (in between doing other things...) I suspect that if I told you what made me furious, you'd end up furious (or justifying yourself) and that would be pointless :-) But I did find this. Maybe I should move it to the other thread. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/anger-in-the-age-entitlement/200902/anger-problems-how-words-make-them-worse. Thanks again! (no sarcasm intended:-))

This guy says what I mean :-) http://www.answersfromsilence.com/youve-got-enlightenment-all-backwards

"I would like to have a discussion about this with you if that is what you want, but I get the feeling that what is really happening is that my statements have been perceived as some kind of attack on your or your teachers and the discussion is really an attempt to validate your experience. If so, I apologize." Um, no. No defense this side. I was quite happy discussing it and was indeed interested in expertise... And I figure my teachers are big enough to handle whatever gets thrown at them themselves So, if you're interested in posting it on open forum, please do !

"...much harder to do" I dunno, I think (for now) it's harder to maintain any consideration of it (whether the split(s) or anything else) and I have this other idea that if you just sort of forget about it (once you 'know') it gets easier. Because fighting it either way is 'who's' job? Fake Steve Jobs! I could be wrong as usual.

No. Can't say it does. Which is how I tell the difference...

" don't know the context of this statement, but it appears to fit within my definition of accidental, spontaneous or passive kundalini awakening. While it is actually a very good thing that there are teachers familiar with dealing with this. This is what I define as "damage control." As I said earlier, the reason why this is not the desired path is because without the framework of a deity to control the Shakti, it is chaotic and can be very destructive. So, from what I can tell alot of the modern western Kundalini technique oriented practices, that we have alot of people awakening their Kundalini in this fashion." Right. We have a bunch of people doing it in various 'accidental' ways, as you put it and as a result having folks that can do 'damage control' as you put it is really providing an essential service to people. But is it really 'accidental'? If you believe - as I do - that one wakes oneself up upon choosing to, then one is going to wake up anyway. Practices or no practices. If you reflect on it, doing practices (however badly) is just a clearer signal that one is 'up for it'. Why? Because you are intentionally changing yourself through doing them. You have decided to do something different to how it would roll if you did not. I'd still put myself in the 'accidental' category though And in many respects I'd like to go back to sleep thank you. But apparently I'm screwed. My thanks to damage control teachers and TTB's

I guess it matters because it's yet another thing that one is 'supposed' to do to achieve 'liberation'. But at some point, aren't there consequences also for the parents who mistreat their children? Albeit mistreatment out of narcissistic ignorance and the idea that children are 'theirs' in some way? Where do they get that dumba44 idea? Why 'should' parents who mistreat get to have obedient kids and loving kids and kids who will take care of them in old age when the kids get - well, a huge bag of trash to take out for part of their lives until they find out what works? I wasn't a rebellious kid. My only real rebellion has been to say no to this idea that I owe them everything and that I should amend for the pain they caused me. IME people don't like to hear this as it's not 'spiritually correct'. As far as purging the related emotions goes, I'm pretty much done. However my hackles still rise when I hear this 'forgive your parents' thing as if that were the only way. Of course, it might just be and my resistance to doing it might be of some signification, but IMO the recap 'exercise' where you take your power back seems a lot better

Pretty much everywhere. It's the absence of tension and constriction. It's very carefree and happy :-)

It's because it's already funny

I've found out that I just don't want to improve my relationship with my parents. I've heard lots of arguments about 'Well, they're your parents so you should want to.' Why 'should' I want to do? I don't think I could bear to 'make amends' to them. It feels like an injustice. Manitou, how did you do it? And can you guarantee that following that amend you will be free? If so, free of what?

" I feel it would be disrespectful of me to teach Kundalini "techniques"." I get that, but what if She wants you to? I mean, if you happen to know the cure for a terrible disease, do you just tell everyone you know what it is but you're not telling? The reason I wouldn't teach 'techniques' myself is because a)I don't know them all enough to say I have the necessary expertise to pick and choose for any given person and b ) I wouldn't want to feel responsible for people going through the kind of difficulties that I feel I did. I wouldn't want it on my conscience. One could argue that it's entirely up to the individual to pursue it or not. At a level, one is pursuing oneself. As far as I can see, telling people not to do it, only fuels their desire to do it anyway. And indeed, from my POV while we ought to be at a point where each adult can take full responsibility for all of their choices, practices included, I wonder just how much of that is really the case? In fact I'd start with that part first before I even got near K. And let's not forget the hoarding of practices for various reasons. 5ET, IMO we're living in a culture of hurt children. And IME, having a second chance at having a 'mother' who cares enough to see you grow unhindered is something I wouldn't want to hold back on for myself.

Ah yes. This is the part I have realised about my parents, but they have not. Or if they have, they have not made me party to it. So I'm not quite sure what to "do" about it. And to be very honest, I feel like I can't do anything to improve anything (although they keep telling me - or is it 'asking'? me to do so). I just don't have the strength to. Not only were they (both) a drain on me for the time I lived with them but they also wish me to continue giving to the(ir) very end. I happen to find this runs contrary to 'taking personal responsability' - aside from the expectations I had about what parents are 'supposed' to do for children (and I don't know where I got that from). When I consider my parents, I feel my life draining out of myself. So. Best not to do that too often :-)

Me too :-) Although Susan is here and posts quite a lot. In the same 'lineage' (my idea :-)) I find Hundun's been pretty quiet for a while and I miss his posts. And don't get me started on Cameron. Just this incredible ball of wild. But really nice GIH seems a bit provocative but nerdy at the same time. Even Apech's calmed down. I was more interested in his Egypt stuff than his moderation stuff. But I guess it all takes time.

Stay away from the aisles inside the centre of the store. Go around the outside. Don't eat things which have more than 5 ingredients that you fully understand (unless you made it :-)) Eat things that look like things you could recognize if you were in a forest/a field/the sea/underground

"Why we make mistakes" "The Stuff of thought" - which I've been 1/2 way through for what seems like forever. If anyone wants it - I'd be happy to

Mr Slopp. Celebrity opinion is more important than anyone else's for several reasons: - reaches more people - is sexier (more people want it) - they have more ca$h to fulfill their opinions (even if no-one wants their opinion, they still want ca4h)

Hey Mal! I echo your thanks and I'd like to thank you myself for being around and 'getting it' when I thought people wouldn't. Love to you Kate

I'd say you were angry with reason at some point. I guess it might be easier to not be angry at other points that don't warrant it if you knew what the first reason was. I also consider that 'angry' might be entirely justified at any point along our lives. Figuring all that sh*t out is IMO/IME the heart of practice(s) :-) Oh, and I almost forgot, there could be other reasons that lead you to similar 'angry' that might not be warranted by either whatever might be going on or your thoughts about anything. Might just be organic. In which case, might be 'easier' to heal.

Too much Vipassana makes Jack too...precise ?

"some reason that you feel that I need to hear" Only because I thought you'd asked me "Not sure that wu-wei is the best term, since its so culturally specific and not of our culture. Can you think of a better term, or way of describing it?" "Better" maybe not. But the feeling of it is when there is no care or constriction or strategy or tactic or intent (huh). So it's not like "Aha, I'm going to do "this" or say "this"" Rather, things are done and said. So it doesn't much feel of anything except 'nice' - maybe?