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http://www.nailmaster.ru/fuck.html Aha;-)

Thanks so much for your post Susan. Good sense all the way.

WOW! Awesome and excellent posts all of them! Thank you! As for my "reasons" - I'll have to tell you later as I don't want to suggest any specific opinions to anyone.

"Dreaming is an experience of a different to physical world with many possible variations and subtle states..." Could be a neat perspective from which to contemplate the "i"? Thanks for your post!

"people think the USA is a real democracy" - who does????? What people? My call;-) Go check out what "democracy" is/does. Personally I have no idea what it does. I haven't voted for 20 years and it hasn't made a difference to my life. What HAS made a difference is, well, all the kinds of things we often discuss here on TTB's. I feel the need to be over and out on this thread.

"I guess you're missing my point.2 - Maybe. tell me what your point is. "A guy will never be listened to" - alright, I'm only reading you, not listening, my bad " let alone win at anything when it comes to females. " - define "winning" "Especially nowadays a woman gets away with anything.. " - define "anything" "and of course feminists would be on his ass from day one." - huh? I thought there were no more feminists left in the US " And yea, of course. Men who have problems are feminine," - So by your rationale, anyone with a problem is "feminine"??? " beta males who deserve to be tortured." - er, because? " That's good stuff right there, that's family television" - well shit, if that's what's on TV I'd rather stop watching it.

"What ARE you supposed to do? " - You're NOT supposed to do anything. "If anyone talks about any of this, especially a male, they'll be oppressed." - or maybe listened to. "Males are not supposed to have "issues" as "thats for women", Right?" - WRONG. See, this is one of "DA PROBLEM" When guys with "no issues" and "no problem" come home of a day or of an evening and hope/want/need their woman to do something about it. Best thing I heard (recently) was "I'm having trouble with this, I'll deal with it". Oh I was so ready to be that guy's wife there and then! heh;-) Still am

It doesn't mean anything. Oh alright, have a damn think about what: - "mainstream" means - what "USA" means - what "elsewhere" means Personally, if something gets to be "mainstream", "USA" or "elsewhere" in adoption then I will have a serious look at that thing Of course this has everything and nothing to do with justifying the way I feel. "Cognitive bias" darlings, look it up.

"The symbols will change when we change the symbols. When the collective meaning for what "sex" is changes." Dude, IMO we ought to be changing 'em as I write! Look at what it's doing to people! Non. Please go get some help where you're at. 1) There are people that can help you 2)some of us have been in similar situations 3)lots of full-on real people with knowledge of what works hang out here and you would be wasting your time not responding to their (our) offers of assistance. IMO it's tough for me to read on the fucking internet that someone I have spoken (alright "written") with is ready to top himself in full view and I can't do shit about it.

Non, dude, you edited?? "my idea is that tantric sex and taoist sexual practices are not a free for all wanton lusty orgies between many casual partners... " - did I say they were??? "I think that's kinda imbalanced, but I'm a bit more conservative I guess. Then again I haven't been too successful yet in any sexual 'endeavors'. I find it disgusting to be sharing with so many others especially when it's not needed." - oh man, this pretty much where some strains of judeo-christianity started up. Guy couldn't get it on, then considers that that's "unfair" and that as consequence no one else should. Sorry Non, have you ever looked deeper into your own perspective about this? Obviously I'd rather you did and you came back and said "Kate, you're right." but still, I could be wrong. "I really despise the whole needless violent competition among males to steal each others fame and hard work and their greed, their mischievousness, etc. People die and make wars just for sex." - Or water? "In every male in the animal kingdom its ingrained into their heads that sex is associated with violent competition, death, betrayal, hatred, etc." - REALLY? EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM? - "And I guess it's all fun and games for the women..." - Define "fun and games" - seriously doesn't sound like fun from where I'm sitting! "and all the 'alpha male badboy top killers'. But it's ok to kill" - Who in the hell told you that??? "It's ok to kill"? " It's ok to leave completely good and innocent men fatally and desperately alone," - Dude, I spent 7 years "alone" and it was pretty cool Even got me into this whole Tao thing. - "who doesn't want to disrespect women by simply treating them like a piece of meat" - okaay, "treating me like meat" suggests I might end up on some barbecue? "at the expense of herself" - most women know what they're doing... "It's good to be bad. It's good to be evil. It's all balanced out by the love of evil." -Aha, many things we struggle with. But what is "evil" - apart from "kaniveel" - obviously;-)

"The "I thought" is excellent for planing ahead, I would think. It defines where we are and where we want to be." Thanks Mr Marblehead! 2 things: - "I thought" is excellent for planing ahead," - how so? - "It defines where we are and where we want to be."- how so? I won't tell you (yet) my opinion on this because I would like to hear yours! thank you!

Neat Stig! Thanks for that. The most recent "Taoist" expo I went to included "naga" images (well, I knew that's what they were;-)) in amongst the images of "regular" people. My reading of this was "folks that had their (knowledge) of K on and folks that didn't". IMO the only "difference" between the two is the realization you point to in the above. Nicely done. Thank you! More FS things here would/could be nice!

"What farmers do when they smoke some of that "extra" crop they harvested." hehehhe. That reminds me of the "British incursion into China via opium" story. Next thing you know, it'll all be about gold and carbon

Dude, you edited ;-)?? No other "lion" symbolism then? The guy has a "lion" mask. What's up with that? On a more serious note. Does society have the ability to change our symbols? This madonna/whore business has IMO lasted far too long. Anyway, back to topic ;-) Boo to taboo. Not marrying your cousin is one thing. Not having any sex whatsoever is another. OMG wait a minute...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKIqGhqMv60 Alright, who has an idea of what the lion is about?

Yah, I had myself figured as a Level 5 Neat text. Reads to me like there is both one and not one avatar. Sigh Look, the great fashion of this time is to take advantage of some people's access to specific teachings/world/universe views and rehash it for the "local" audience. Which is fine by me, just as long as it doesn't locally perpetuate ideas that help maintain local status quo in terms of action. Alright for the "it's all our mind" stuff as far as I'm concerned BUT in a truly individualistic society, the end result of such could likely be total apathy about what's going on. Of course nothing is actually going on But it's going on.

Reminders again why "Tantra is taboo"? I say "boo" to that. If many our problems come from sexual repression and many of them from sexual excess, wouldn't it make sense to give the people something to play with? Like themselves for example;-)?

"how bout an experiment. Tomorrow morning put on your shoes and don't tie them. Then stare at them. Is there any natural force forcing you to tie the right first or the left first? Can you freely will to tie the left first if you so will?.." Oh that's a good one You should see my teeth on edge when I try stuff like that. Hilarious

"I wish that every one gets everything they ever wished for." Granted. Everyone's wishes are so diverse, and some of them so contrary to each other in their execution that wars break out all over the world as a result of everyone trying to fulfill them all at the same time. I wish to be careful what I wish for.

Thanks for the clarifications of definitions and links (very good BTW). Is there a practice within Dzogchen in which one intentionally seizes a bit of the mindstream and repeats it "on purpose"? Or is that something else? Tantrism, I'd guess.

Thanks Drew! I guess if it helps women (and men?) who have been injured to continue to enjoy their lives. Dumb question of the day, why aren't you working with these guys to help them get the mechanics right? The oxytocin thing is worth watching. The last thing I personally want is some product dude coming up with a way to inject it/stimulate it in people without their knowledge to commercial or political ends (social-networking anyone, anyone?) Barbarella was a good movie!

Oh you're sweet! Of course I have problems with terminology AND I know I do. I do my best to explain (when I remember) that what passes for meaning is simply language and has no bearing on the truth of anything at all. And yet as soon as I attribute the simplest term to even one morcel of my experience then it becomes both pointless and dead in the water (despite any moon shining on it.) I'll go look up the words, I guess. Google may be the death of us.

"Using the term "sex enthusiast" when referring to people who are, uh, sex enthusiasts" Now there's something I can, huh, get behind Kidding, I'm kidding (on the "get behind" thing, yuh, a joke) Good call Mr Sloppy!

Thanks. i can google things and I come here because it's (tends to be, although lately I wonder) a good one stop shop for such. Especially when folks are in a mind to explain terms very simply. The other issue with "googling" things is that I risk running into false/erroneous definitions and will have to spend even more time on it. Point of TTB's (I thought ) is/was to aid as a clearing house of sorts. Sure, I can go google but, do you get my drift?

Riiiiiiight. What else are you convinced of? Seriously, do we need any more sexually repressed people building our belief-systems? That they build their own is quite enough TVM! Not saying you are, just saying it might be worth trying something else, maybe.