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Great clip Mal! Maybe you should put an "anti-seizure" warning label on it;-) Love, A Gilr;-) I can't believe I'm still in this thread ;-) Hope everyone in it is fine. Especially Non. We'll all get there friends (wherever we're going;-))

Great contributions! Non, do you realise that this thread might also be helping others;-) ? Me for example;-) Yeah, the "Mr Average" thing and mariage. Actually my main problem is I DON'T want to get married IF it means what I've led myself to believe it means. If you want to go see some crazy ideas someone might have about that institution, have a gander at my forum;-) Now one may laugh (I am;-)) but those fears actually pretty often impact the way I behave in relationships with men in general. Not good! So why not just drop it? Aha!

Awesome topic! I was just musing on another thread that one of the keys to obtaining them on a dependable basis might be the ability to calm ego-noise while one is doing whatever the doing entails - otherwise risk reducing reliability of results. So the techniques themselves would have a built-in safety;-)

Non, oh dear. I'm not doing anything cruel, nor looking for excuses to do cruel things. What on earth did you get from my post that suggested I was?? On purpose, I put the (some) in brackets to indicate that I didn't mean "all". Now I've tried to be clear about my feelings and (limited, obviously) understanding about this topic because I'm interested in it. Yes, from a very personal standpoint. But not just that. I've admitted to more personal shortcomings and weaknesses and wrong perceptions in this thread than I can presently stand ;-)

Yes. Very cool thread. I feel: - the difference in the "vibe" between cities (traveling is a great way of "getting it" it's so clear IMO)- it feels like a sound I can't hear audibly (although some cities have that too;-)) - when i need to stop the cold water running into the bathtub (so it won't be too cold!)- practical;-) I'm assuming it's based on the sound of the volume filling up and some other stuff related to temperature that I'd need to go dig into the physics books to explain. Or maybe something less boring ;-) - when someone is saying something towards an end other than the content of what they're saying. Probable simple discrepancy between tone of voice and words. People know when they're lying. Someone who actually believes what they're saying would probably pass me by on this one (oh wait! they do;-)) - when an office space reveals a "good" place to work (or not) or when a home feels like a "good" place to live. All kinds of stuff. I think lots of people do it and just don't really make much of it. Not all of it is spectacular but it's certainly helpful. I'd like to get better at it. For example, when it comes to "feeling" things that I don't have a direct live experience with, the risk (still for now) is that I might get it mixed up with what I want to be the case. Or to the contrary, that I actually get it right but that I don't like or don't want to believe it is what it is. Hence reducing ego-noise being a pre-cursor to expression of siddhi ;-) No I don't KNOW if it's that but it could be. Of course, getting it wrong is also always a possibility

Huh, looks like my posts have been somewhat misconstrued. - I didn't say "marriage is bad" I said I had some pretty screwed up ideas about it. Me, my ideas, not a declaration of truth. I may start a list of such ideas in my private forum with a goal of exorcising them. I'm sure I was influenced by old 50's sitcoms...shudder. - The idea about honesty in what one is looking for: first of all this obviously includes oneself. Why can't (some) men pony up and just admit it a) when all they want is a regular lay without the relationship trappings and/or actually have fallen in love with you? I was thinking about this and I don't have any answers;-) Methinks it's a 3rd chakra issue;-) I don't want readers to imagine I recommend putting it out there online like a laundry list - although I don't care if people do. There's a LOT of lying online. I didn't much like what our PUA friend said. I'm waiting for this to be shown as proof that what he says is true despite myself. Whatever. I liked what Cat said. Witch, cool pic!

If it wasn't "entirely" for me, which part of it was ? I haven't decided how to offend myself with what you wrote yet so you'll have to insult me properly! Non, bro, you (may) learn to be vewy vewy careful on TTB's ;-) IMO this is a good thing. One of the few forums I've been to which helps one's skills when it comes to written expression around seriously emotional topics. I used to dig plastic.com but that went somewhere off-planet a while back. Seriously, there's are so many "you-threads" on here it's like you own the forum. I haven't seen that in quite some time, since Ron Jeremy in fact. I'm sure he was you before he grew older and got into Taoist sexual practices Are you at least having fun? I hope so. And I mean in that in a very light-hearted, earnest and kind, kind of way. Edited for a couple of typos;-)

Yup Capital and Paul W both have a point. Very nicely articulated. However, kicking people to the curb is something I'm getting kind of tired of doing Note also I do get kicked to the curb myself in potentially equal measure ;-) The "marriage" thing is one of my (many) blind spots. I've got so many pre-suppositions about it that it's not even funny Actually, this thread kind of makes it funny I still believe "relationships" as they seem to be called in North America are pretty awful. If we're going to play, can we have more fun than this ? Thank you for your consideration! Oh, as a "last word" (-itis;-)) I now in the process of deciding whether I should just leave Anglo men alone entirely and date Hispanics, Italians, Middle Easterns etc.

"It's that simple..." Nope, so far IME it hasn't been quite that simple. Double standard anyone?

Oh there's a lot to say about this. Some questions: - Why "should" women be monogamous? - If you're a man who enjoys sleeping with different women in parallel, why "should" you expect women NOT to be doing something similar? I agree with Witch that women tend towards monogamy when they're sleeping with a man. This sometimes a)to our detriment because the rest of the "relationship" doesn't go with and to his detriment because he ends up with a monogamous women on his hands demanding same from him when he just wants lots of women;-) Now if everyone a)knew what they wanted from a relationship and were fully honest about what they wanted - what would happen ? Now if I read/see/hear another generalization about "all women are this" or "all guys are that" I may lose it.

Now THAT'S some good advice. Yes I am biased towards Scott. Nice warm, sunny guy. I read Drew's stuff and I think "Huh, why not?" Then I was going to do a "text" translation of some of it that could maybe capture the ideas in a way that could be more "down to earth," then I realized that you Non, were already sort of translating it. How many translators does it take to completely devoid a text of meaning ? How many to skew it to one's own ends? An example as a proximity topic (actually OT but I can't really be bothered to start up a new thread;-)) I see (my theory) "repenting" is bringing mindful awareness to one's actions that cause oneself and others sorrow- hopefully with the aim of forgiving (oneself and others) and correcting them. While I enjoy explanations and theories (ways of seeing) as much as the next person, sometimes I just have to throw them away in favour of what's good. There's always time to go back and look at the theories once you've solved the problem. If I were to say to you "Here's "my" psychology 101 - on the formation of the ego and related belief-structure" then told you you can actually just drop it - or even change it into something you'd enjoy more, would you? Now if the theories HELP you - enjoy!

Ok. Blasto! You know stuff about this. Pero, where's a PUA when we need one;-) ? Mal! Scott! Mr Marblehead and Mr Cow. King K. You're all great guys. Help a little bro out. Non, you will probably not listen to me. So I need to ask the men to weigh in.

Hey Non, Sounds awful to feel that way. And it is!I understand that if you think the way you're thinking, well, one couldn't help but feel like shit. I can "bed" any man I want (pretty much;-)) but does this make me happy? Nope. Not one damn bit. LOVE. Love for yourself and your needs and your life. If you were my little brother I would MAKE you go out and have fun dammit;-) By all means isolate yourself if you need to (some people need more silence and solitude than others - I'd include myself on that list) but to balance that out, get out. GO out to meet people. Yes I will throw you the ole "volunteer" thing. Go see some people who have it really bad. Help them. In the absence of any desire to feel anything for anyone apart from yourself, go see a therapist. They don't all reach for the meds (especially if you make it clear you're not down with that.) If you need to get laid - go out and lay the girl that needs you to do that with her(it's a mutual thing, despite what some cultures would have us believe. I remember just saying to myself, "I need that to be done" and the very next day I had a swing in my step and the world looked different;-))

Yup I'd second that. I went to yoga class today and after one asana my legs felt longer;-) Sometimes I feel as if I'm being stretched across the other side of the room;-) My explanation for this one is that the mind has its own "idea" more or less of where your body is or tends to be. If you shift where you are even by a really small amount through stretching and focusing on the stretch, the differential results in an exaggerated perception and so you "appear" bigger to yourself. I wonder if the same could happen just by relaxing into meditation? For the floating away to distant places stuff, I think it's cool. Yes, it's mind-created. Not all perceptions and feelings have to be in words.

Here's what I was thinking on the train this evening. KAP practice is IMO (yes, I still have one, for folks who might think otherwise;-)) both a way to "awaken" K and a K management system. Because once it's up and running, you don't want to go all Gopi (Krishna) with it - well, maybe some people do, but I sure as hell don't. It's all weird enough as it is. Don't you think? Is "mine" up and running? I suspect if it wasn't I be dead. Yes I know other people keep saying that. Has it increased? I would tend to think so. Also bearing in mind I'd hit what I think is commonly termed A&P prior to taking KAP - I'd say the best thing about it is as a K management system (yup, like a regimen of physical exercise, nutrition, philosophy, qi-gong, abstract and creative thinking, and sex-ed;-)) We just don't have the context in our culture for it and I think we need it - without the whole "religion" stuff getting in the way. I know this will come off to some as a plug for KAP so expect some flack for that. As a (no I won't go bonobo on ya;-)) peace-offering to Drew, I will check out SFQ at some point because there's stuff in there that I'm really interested in for healing purposes. I also think his math and science explanations are fascinating (check that last word out too ;-p) Other TTB's sites are also excellent and I can now heartily say that they're ALL pretty awesome because I'm just starting to understand what they're doing. What would be cool in this vast practice marketplace is to come up with a list of things to look out for when choosing a practice/system.

"Oh? Any reason in particular why it would be the one to take?" Because I reckon some of the more interesting "level-up" type spiritual progression seems to come from what is initially perceived as hardship. The reason I'm saying that is to justify my own silly path;-) Then we can get into the whole "ego", "gut feeling" and "intuition" discussion. I would look at the decision from a place where all of them are balanced.

There could be things worth doing on either path. What I mean is one may offer up lessons in a different way than the other does but they both (or find a third or a fourth) still will offer up lessons because you are traveling them. As far as I know, the paths are not traveling you;-) The rigid feeling is likely because you imagine you just "know" what one path will bring and it doesn't seem good to you right now. That one would be a great practice path IMO but no-one says you have to put yourself through anything really unpleasant to learn;-) The lighter feeling - hum, sounds like a good indication of positive choice but I've had enough of those "light" feelings at the beginning of things for them to be of very little indication further on. Middle paths seem to me to have a bit more "realism" to them, like "I'll know shit will probably happen and I won't meet any unicorns on the way and I'll have to work at some stuff and I'll also have good and bad moments." Sorry I'm not really helping!

Drew, I'm not intentionally sending anything! I'm trying to take part in an open and honest discussion about KAP transmissions and I feel you're not helping topic clarity by suggesting I'm "doing" something. It's a given that written communication is tricky because so much interpretation is up to the person reading it. I DON'T want people getting the wrong impression that I'm doing (or trying to do) anything or transmitting anything at all. I'm learning stuff. I'm a geek and a participant observer ;-) Did you check out that TED video that Sean posted? In which case it could help explain some things. Mal, thanks for the I like those. Who doesn't? "Smile and the world smiles with you" - maybe not innocuous then ;-) I also agree that no-one should be sending anything to anyone without their permission. And that lots of people do impose themselves in many ways whether they realize it or not. Hopefully I'm not one of them but that is up to others to decide.

"THere are times when you are detoxing that you will undergo some changes on a lot of levels some can be JOYFUL some can be a royal BITCH. Peace Santi>> I recommend working on CHI sensitivity. This helps a lot to help feel more whatever is going on in energy body." Both interesting responses. Thanks! Presently working on the "what's mine and what's yours" thing as it pertains to energy (learning to realize when I'm just jumping on it/grabbing it myself - mindfulness = big useful for this IMO). I won't tell you what size I reckon my cable is at. Should I be having cable envy;-) ? However, the correspondence didn't tell exactly how the guy (girl?) knew they were trading energy. They just knew I guess. How? Or is that a moot point - like when then phone rings and you see caller ID?

Hey Santi;-) Love it! As yet I STILL haven't "worked out" how some KAP transmission stuff happens. Now that would be cool if you could explain ;-) I'm still looking at it. Even if the explanation is super weird. Or too complex. Or just plain "out there" ;-) I like the idea that we can discuss it. I'm still a bit of a geek;-) Ok, I'm a geek;-)

Oh, and how's about a "new" (because it might not be) idea of "adult puberty" ? Same thing (K) different name? Then maybe we'd all lighten up about it and stop envying each others' boobs and asking what one does to get them More seriously, if it is actually just a human developmental process then it will likely happen to lots of people. If it isn't, then we're looking at something else - still very interesting. How about we investigate further? Although you may now want to ask me, "Why did you want bigger boobs" ? Because I was sick of being a kid.

Interesting approach Drew. I'll have to check it out. I'm guessing that everything can be translated into harmonics? Yeah, I'd agree with that - for myself. But what about folks that need: - imagery - language - physical sensation (kinesthetics) - math "evidence" (sometimes called "science") Or, maybe, all of the above? What if you're not a geek? I'm a bit of a geek but also not a geek;-)

This is getting more interesting. I was reading Susan's post about the directional energy (up and down spine, piercing chakras etc) and I wonder if people aren't expecting that to happen ALL at once with KAP? Like "Boom you're done"? Then "Next, can I has superpowers now?" Why do you want them? It reminds me of that Chinese remark (I think it was supposed to be a curse) about having all your Karma cleansed in one week. I would say if you want a "sudden school" then why not Zen? Here's a few: - "There is no fixed "You"" (I couldn't bear to suggest no "you" exists) - always grateful to Scott for the way of saying it - "Wake up!" - "You are the universe becoming aware of itself" I think the last one is quite pretentious! Where's my stick? (Apart from the idea that hitting people with sticks is not very nice!) But no. Some people will always want to "really feel it". In which case KAP is a great way to go (except for the last thing on the list which I still think is quite pretentious;-) but that would be typical of me;-)) And once you feel it, then what do you do? Hopefully something good for everyone, including yourself. End suffering, maybe?

Because I'm a woose;-) Seriously Santi, she was scary looking! Then I think I found something like her online and felt somewhat better about her. But it's one thing to be sitting nicely behind a screen looking at pictures and talking about things and another when a flaming red goddess with multiple arms and red eyes shows up before you fall asleep;-) What do you think she was coming by for?