Birch
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Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
Birch replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
Author of number 4. here :-) I added it because I think that qi-gong really could help advance modern science/arts. VIA practitioners. Because they will advance themselves through qi-gong and they'll (possibly) quit categorising things in absurd hierarchies like they seem to do at present. I'm not saying categories aren't useful but it depends what you're using them for. I'm glad other people added stuff to the list. Aside from the fact that there are categories and system-analysis and understandings to catch up with. So instead of dumbing down the qi-gong to fit the prior conceptual framework, which I think is what you're after because you're looking to legitimize qi-gong (which is nice of you BTW) why not raise the the bar a little? I mean, to the practitioners, they don't seem to require any legitimizing, but that's not going to convince anyone, is it? -
It's a great post! That would be buddhist enlightenment you're referring to :-) ? Hahahahaha couldn't resist;-) I'm glad you're somewhat happy with it. I think yes, qi-gong is about being healthy and experiencing states where that pesky ego gets into the right place in the pecking order, and, as someone reminded me the other day, the relationships between states. I don't know if I agree about your take on siddhis because things like medical qi-gong projection seem to me to be far from a purely egoistic. They're to help other people. Of course one could argue that you're either only helping yourself or that you're interfering with their experience as part of yourself and ought to leave well alone due to 'karma' or other such ideas but I think that's bull. The other problem is Man invented God and enlightenment as 'desireable' in the first place. I mean, talk about finally realizing you made it all up (well, I mean not you personally, as far as i know you're in the correct century for made-up-gods that still hold sway on much (most?) of our experience). Good news!
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You can have yours, don't tell me what mine is:-)
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Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
Birch replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
Woof! -
Not quite sure about this one but it seems ok IMO/IME
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Nice one Hundun! And Mr World-travelling dude
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Good article D_E but they don't seem to be doing so well with the whole 'protect and defend my country' thing, seems to me anyway. Unless I've misunderstood what a 'country' is these days. Possible.
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They have it already but they need you to consent (at present)... Read the bill, it's insanely ridiculous. How did it possibly make it to bill stage (this requires finding out about how laws get made and things like expert advisors and lobbies and things but politics is sooooo booooooring lol!) And what's it doing there now? At this time rather than last year or any other time during any other presidency?
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Outrageous bills are intended as 'place markers' to help polarize interest groups so that the latter may be more readily identified. Following the reactions, better-crafted bills will be drafted to appeal to polarized interest groups while slightly advancing in the direction intended in the first place.
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Umberto Ecco is a good read about the 'world of meanings pulled over the world'. I reckon going an 'intellectual' route if one is already mind-oriented is helpful. Physics books also seem to kick me off the thinking stool. Nature photography (or better, being in nature). Yes body practices too.
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I agree RyanO. Other thing I personally found helpful was to avoid 'old school' explanations for happenings until I was interested enough and far away enough from the experience to contemplate them. In other words, going the 'demon' as explanation route didn't help me whereas embracing a 'scientific' explanation felt a lot less threatening:-) The reality of any given explanation is IMO worth discussing to the extent that it helps the person although there may be things that 'new school' interpretations have no concept for (or they're in denial about, or they misdiagnose as illness because they don't understand things yet, or just haven't gotten around to looking at because too 'out there' :-)) I'd reverse this situation if the person is in a traditional culture that deals with such things in a helpful manner (e.g. Shamanism) Ditto on heart energy. I also found compassion meditations 'cooling' but that was comparatively to the fire that was raging.
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Having spent hundreds of years studying how people will believe pretty much anything that is thrown at them if it is thrown by the 'right' authority at the 'right' time, the result is that many different authorities are throwing too much all at once in an attempt to gain 'mindshare' for a variety of purposes. What they don't realise is that people aren't that stupid, they just don't want violent unhappy endings to things.
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The reason those other people keep saying 'know thyself' is because they are/were aware of the ways in which 'unknowing oneself' are instated and perpetuated. It would seem to me that being asleep is as 'natural' as being awake. Just that there are risks involved in both. Meditation seems to be a way of waking up. What you wake up as is a whole n'other thing. ----opinion alert ----
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Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
Birch replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
I'll set myself up in camp 3 with a bit of 2 and the intent to reach 4:-) -
Right. Which IMO makes it even more weirder why certain entities (I'll use that term largely) seem to insist on creating a$$holery for the rest of the entities to deal with on quite a regular basis. ---- The internet was instated as a measuring instrument for social and economic behaviour with a view to leveraging it to make finer adjustments to outdated propaganda machinery. Predictive computing...
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Here we are assuming one's own ancestors were a conviently affable lot? Seems that mine weren't all sweetness and light and some (even relatively recently) did or participated in some rotten stuff. Maybe it wasn't considered "rotten" at the time but it was still rotten by human standards. So, pondering the ancestors and me, I gotta ask, what business do they have in my life here today? If they think I'm going to right their wrongs, well hahaha. That would be like your grandfather attempting to track your career from your birth based on his unfulfilled aspirations. So no, unless my ancestors have cleaned up their act I doubt I'll be making pacts with them for personal gain any time soon. I suspect there are "proper" healing spirits that it's a better idea to "call upon". Or even just the person's own soul for example. ---- opinion alert ----
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Ditto on moving on. I reckon it's better to seek explanations of things once one is further away from the experience. I'm not a huge fan of super weird things but it seems they happen quite often with energy meditation. I shared a bunch in the PPF at one point then I thought in retrospect it was too weird so I deleted:-) Ridding yourself of the feeling of fear would IMO/IME really help, or rather "don't be afraid of being afraid". Just out of curiosity, what's your practice? Plus the usual: - ground - cut back/stop practice - belly breathing ---ol'union alert---
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By Jove I think you've nailed it! Would also explain why all these people around me keep harping on about it and I keep opening books at certain pages. I keep forgetting to look outside for answers to the inside (nothing weird, just a special function of attention:-)) I mean, if synchronicity is useful at all, it ought to be so all the time. Yes there are sandwiches :-) Thanks to you!
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Yeah, thanks! I'll check out that book. I don't think I have a "problem". It's more like apathy. Perhaps a minor "dark lunchtime". Working on some "stuff" here and there but even that, I don't really care about it. You'd think this would make me happy...hum. Maybe it's the weather?
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Yeah, I dunno. It's just easier to slip off into emptiness than do any real introspection at the moment. I also wonder what it's doing to my neural connections. I practice moment-to-moment mindfulness throughout the day. Nothing very exhalted or ecstatic or blissful or anything much. Oh yeah, then the orbits. I've been running whatever comes up, not sure if that's a good idea either. I really don't want to get into a teacher/student thing, although I love learning from the TTB's.
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How about that "Am I a butterfly dreaming..." text read in a Valleygirl voice? Would that make it better, or worse? I'll bet if anyone heard me go on about this stuff rather than reading it they'd a) not take me seriously at all (which is actually good cover ) or b ) they'd run away screaming
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Hit a roadblock? I don't think that's very uncommon. Are you practicing anything? Relying on healings and whatnot? I don't know anything about these 'fa' but they sound like something that gets you to give up your own self-reliance. Not IMO the same as 'surrender' if you catch my drift. Then there are the 'detoxes' and 'dark nights' that do come with practices (IME). Then there are unhelpful lifestyles, problems with nutrition, lack of exercise, bad relationships, stressful economic situations, lack of peer support, condescending medical/pharmaceutical industry, political terror, fear of various 'stuff'. Where would you like to start? I've been thinking about things like this a lot and what 'mechanisms' are in play. Taomeow mentions them in the conspiracy theory thread and I'd like to add something that I've come up with: For whatever 'reasons' or as a result of whatever was done to you or that happened, you came to believe something about yourself. It's this something that hurts. It's not true. I've heard this referred to as the 'ego'. I'm not sure if that's what it is. I refer to it as 'my dog training' and it even hurts to undo it (just in case anyone was wondering, I recoil in terror from the edges the stuff).
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The "Occupy" movement is bought and paid for by CIA agitators using an outsourced 'revolution consultancy' based in Eastern Europe. The same consultancy was also involved in the Egyptian 'revolution' and other movements.
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Be careful what you wish for
