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Great article Old Green. Thanks!

It's pretty well agreed both light and dark are amplified in the process.

Super-heroes' journey: http://www.icrcanada.org/blog/kundalinimyth

Welcome!

Should be in your settings Dwai. Are you guys insulting each other in Hindi? Forum rules apply to all languages.

I mean I didn't 'like' that you had to go through all that Mal, but I liked the fact you were talking (writing) about it and the diagram was pretty nifty:-) So, lots of the TTB's have been though this stuff (or variants of it). I found that by itself somewhat comforting. I mean not that I wish the weirder experiences on anyone. The 'don't pay any attention to phenomena' was the best advice I had at the time too. More recently, I have found that if I keep too much to myself (in other words don't put my energies towards something helpful of some kind) then it stagnates and I end up in worse shape. Between that and exhausting myself, there's a middle path. I found psychotherapy helpful too althought I didn't mention the word 'kundalini'. Nor to the acupuncturist (which in hindsight I wonder about, shouldn't they be aware of this stuff?) --opinion etc--

As already mentioned in several current threads, targetting people based on their gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation is against forum rules concerning disrespectful speech. K on behalf of the moderation team.

Oh yeah. I did type them up already. Duh;-) "Solutions for Spacey Meditator or Yogic Syndrome Do many deep squats daily or at least 25-35 times, especially after meditation. This will ground you more. It also activates your base-of-spine centers, anja, navel and sex chakras. Stomp your feet repeatedly 20-30 times against the ground. Barefoot on soil is better to absorb ground or Earth prana and to establish more of a connection to the physical Earth. Jogging in place is also a good thing to do after meditation, not only to ground, but also for energy circulation Body squeeze: stand straight and inhale to half your lung capacity. Squeeze your entire body for 5-10 seconds then slowly release your breath. Concentrate on the soles of your feet as you exhale slowly. PRECAUTION: Pregnant women and people with hypertension, heart ailments, glaucoma, bleeding problems, cancer and hernia should not do this. Consult your physician first Get an advanced healer to activate your base-of-spine center to be slightly bigger than the crown chakra. Go for more gym work with more muscle building Take a karate or chigong class to increase your physical skills and concentration. Choose good teachers who are not violent Go for more protein and minerals, especially if you’re a vegetarian who does yogic fasting Meditate without closing your eyes by using the half closed eyes method. Stop abstraction or yogic meditation or any spacey type practices until the abnormal conditions are adjusted Consult a holistic healthcare provider and a good physician and psychologist if you have access to these systems Stop using the index finger-thumb mudra (gyana mudra) and yogic postures that reverse your feet to face upward. These positions withdraw your material roots further and bring most of the meditation energy upward Change your hand mudra to the middle finger-thumb mudra Communicate with grounded people and go back to setting your goals and prioritizing your urgent-important activities. Lessen meditation and yoga time in the meantime. Go back to work with deliberate intention. Push against the spacey habits that are already becoming yogic syndrome"

I'll type the ones from the book up this weekend. But Spotless and T_I had some good ones. If I recall DMatt, you were more into higher chakra meditations? So the idea would be to balance out the rest. Some people on the TTB's often also suggest just stopping meditation for a while. Getting back into very mundane things.

I'd suggest picking one screen-name and sticking with it (loving it?) a while:-)

I found this http://helpmewrite.co/ Although it may not be an immediate help. I figured you might find it interesting. I can only speak for myself, but the stuff you're talking about, I know (I think I know) what you're talking about. IME it does get better (well, at some point, so many thing are better than hell:-)) Is it unavoidable? No idea. The 'classics' also (as Vortex has illustrated) go into this 'hero's journey'. If you look around on the forum for grounding practices and kundalini-related stuff, you'll find good stuff. Up in the Buddhism forum there's a thread running on grounding. At one point I had a personal practice forum to put my rantings in. I nixed it not so recently. It was weird. I would recommend having one though, writing was very much a part of things for me. Also, the healing circle people. It all sounds batty (to me at least) but there's stuff that works. As does acupuncture. Lifestyle changes.

Gee Drew, the men outnumber the women on the TTB's by quite a large margin. What are you talking about?

Er, many aspects of us are pretty ancient.

From 'Hidden Dangers of Meditation and Yoga" "Spacey Meditator Syndrome or Yogic Syndrome Many yogis and meditators suffer from this, but they take it for granted because they think it is normal to be on cloud nine after you meditate. This is desirable for people who are in the Himalayan caves or Indian yoga centers, called ashrams, or for contemplative nuns and lamas in religious monasteries. But this is not good for professionals, executives and parents like most of you who need to go back to work and make sure that you are not spacey or out of body when you drive, which can cause an accident! The reasons for spaciness are: Most yogis and meditators practice abstraction meditation, which withdraws the consciousness from the physical senses to inner consciousness. Thus one gets out of body or is spiritually withdrawn. If this is done daily for an extended period of time, one becomes a permanent space cadet. Meditators and healers who are always using their heart and crown centers and less of their lower centers, especially the base-of-spine chakra are susceptible to lightheadedness and being spaced out. Bhakti yoga and devotional-type practitioners who always connect with and tune in to their guru or spiritual idol are always abstracted by the very high frequency aura of the teacher. This state feels great, and they prefer to be in that condition rather than face real world situations and going back to work. Excessive abstraction meditation (if done daily) may also result in impracticality, financial depletion and difficulty or indifference to material life because of the devitalization and imbalance of the base-of-spine chakra. Yoga and meditation employ body postures, breathing techniques, body locks, hand sealing mudras and finger gestures that almost always facilitate the upward flow of energy to bring it up to the Soul and upper chakras. These are: Index finger-thumb mudra (gyana mudra) Most asanas and meditation postures like lotus, semi-lotus, adept posture etc - anything that reverses the soles of the feet to face upward Throat lock and abdominal compression upward lock Many breathing techniques that hyperventilate the body Sacred mantrams that increase the vibration of the energy bodies when done excessively and daily, which tends to make the meditator spaced out. 4.Practitioners who have small lower centers, especially the base of spine chakra, and a small Earth connection to ground prana through the soles of the feet chakras Too much fasting and lack of protein and minerals in your diet The side effects of being spacey are: It can cause accidents and clumsiness Forgetfulness and inability to focus Disorientation and indecisiveness Financial and material troubles caused by not being able to connect to material life’s responsibilities and work Lack of speed in finishing goals and projects Inability to express correctly and communicate properly Unconscious escape from real-life situations, like not solving existing problems and abnegating solutions to others Loss of appetite in many forms: eating, sex, money etc, leading to impracticality Solutions for Spacey Meditator or Yogic Syndrome Do many deep squats daily or at least 25-35 times, especially after meditation. This will ground you more. It also activates your base-of-spine centers, anja, navel and sex chakras. Stomp your feet repeatedly 20-30 times against the ground. Barefoot on soil is better to absorb ground or Earth prana and to establish more of a connection to the physical Earth. Jogging in place is also a good thing to do after meditation, not only to ground, but also for energy circulation Body squeeze: stand straight and inhale to half your lung capacity. Squeeze your entire body for 5-10 seconds then slowly release your breath. Concentrate on the soles of your feet as you exhale slowly. PRECAUTION: Pregnant women and people with hypertension, heart ailments, glaucoma, bleeding problems, cancer and hernia should not do this. Consult your physician first Get an advanced healer to activate your base-of-spine center to be slightly bigger than the crown chakra. Go for more gym work with more muscle building Take a karate or chigong class to increase your physical skills and concentration. Choose good teachers who are not violent Go for more protein and minerals, especially if you’re a vegetarian who does yogic fasting Meditate without closing your eyes by using the half closed eyes method. Stop abstraction or yogic meditation or any spacey type practices until the abnormal conditions are adjusted Consult a holistic healthcare provider and a good physician and psychologist if you have access to these systems Stop using the index finger-thumb mudra (gyana mudra) and yogic postures that reverse your feet to face upward. These positions withdraw your material roots further and bring most of the meditation energy upward Change your hand mudra to the middle finger-thumb mudra Communicate with grounded people and go back to setting your goals and prioritizing your urgent-important activities. Lessen meditation and yoga time in the meantime. Go back to work with deliberate intention. Push against the spacey habits that are already becoming yogic syndrome Excessively materialistic people need to swing to the more spiritual practices practices that will give them balance, and the very spacey mystical and spiritual types of people need to swing back to the material side to be in the center. The key is moderation and balance. For meditators and yogis who are close to physical death, it is excellent to be in the yogic syndrome mode. But for younger people and growing professionals and executives who still have a lot to offer to physical and social life, you are needed to make a big difference in the material world. Bring your light back to the workplace."

A list??? What for?

I will read it. Thanks (much) to Jetsun for his links.

Haha. Edit: I feel I should qualify. I hold the 'typical office boss' as no model whatsoever for no decent, nor helpful human conduct. The 'typical office boss' is my symbolic trashcan of all that is rubbish. Maybe it would help to illustrate if I post a video from 'The Office'. This works.

It's always the last copy in stock;-) Yeah, I have some reservations about this author because his pitch is a lot more 'in the world' and seems to be a lot 'of it' too. I get an 'Affluent Southern Asian' vibe from it. But I appreciated much of what he had to write. It wasn't too 'righteous'. Not least of all, the (to me anyway) understanding that lay people don't/can't meditate the same as monks and that they have social roles and lives and practice conditions that are pretty different so how do they work with that rather than against it? I will type up the spacey meditator thing soon:-)

I disagree with you on a few counts Viator. I'm not sure where the issue of 'authority' comes into it but it does seem to in your example. I reckon there's a lot hidden under that rock:-) Anyway, to cut to my main point. Some problems require more definition and not less before one can get near a solution.

Noam Chomsky said that??? I was under the impression that ridding 'oneself' of I language didn't do anything for the 'form realm'. But I don't get the form realm stuff either.

That's a good one IMO Zanshin, works great if you've already given the person what they wanted to start with (like a sympathetic ear). IMO. Otherwise I can see it being not very welcome if you just open with it. It's like that 'typical' office boss to whom you bring an issue and the first thing they say is 'So (name here) what's YOUR solution?'. haha

It's a good question. I think sometimes I thought I could help more than I actually could. If that makes sense? How much of the outcome are you responsible for? Some people here would say 'all of it' without a doubt. I don't know about that. I'm sure other bums know better than me.

I don't know about mean, do you want to know what I think? i wonder if she's really asking you to do something, or just listen? I wonder if it would be true to reply 'I've thought about what you've told me about the park and I really haven't got a solution to all of the problems but how can I help you?' You might not want to help. Or 'Thanks for your concern about me. I can deal with it'.

You're going to laugh (maybe:-)) but I would just suggest to listen to what their complaint is, and then ask the person 'Do you want me to suggest something?'. You can offer your level of expertise too. In the above, 'Do you want me to suggest something? I'm not a doctor' (this only works if you're NOT a doctor;-)) Chances are, they might admit to 'thanks man, I just needed to vent'. Being the person people are always venting to is a different issue. Also seems from your following post that you're relying on them for friendship. I could suggest something. But I'm not a counsellor;-) So I'll just share from my experience of it. I'll assume for expediency and typing you want to hear it but IRL I would still make sure you want to hear it. I don't care if people don't take my advice - anymore. I did use to care, a LOT because I thought showing them I cared would get them to care about me...and other weird ideas.

This has been my experience Zanshin. Not to side track the thread:-)