Uroboros

OH NO! Now our delusions have been stripped like a classy stripper! Working the pole is hard... Now I feel hungry for cake....Only the earth is left...we must eat it.

So thats why I could not find any! Dangit, NAJA! this is why I told you to eat first!! Now we are stranded on the edge of the cherry earth cake pie! We gonna die!

DANGER ZONE! Duh duh duh duh Danger Zone!

awesome! Creativity can be quite enjoyable. Great luck, SkyDog!

Where is back?! Im stranded...in a cloudy dessert....of cake....earth pie....

You are lost?! Then what am i?! Oh no! DANGER ZONE!

HAHAHAH, thats fantastic! So damn true, for many, too. we may hear it...dont believe it. Happens so often. People hear yet dont hear. Sheet, SkyDog! Go be creative!! Make a mountain out of an ant hill! Literally. Do it. ....... Please?

Could be, could be. Heck, the earth could be a giant cake. we are the little chocolate chip pieces on the top of the icing.........mmmm....cake

Excellent points, NAJA! Doing/ believing what you are told, no matter how much "evidence" there is, without question is not intelligence. It is far harder to put aside everything you think you know and look at opposing "things" with just as much intensity and seriousness. Yes, NAJA ,you put it well. All the facts, information, ideas, and so on are inside our minds. Our minds are very limited, mostly. Thats a critical point that is helpful to understand. We are not seeing what is really there, so all of our "facts" are not really what is there. Possibly. Since I cant see what is really there, I dont know if it is or is not what is there. Even if you could see that the earth is spherical, from space, it still does not mean it is true. its just now been experienced which means you, personally, have a higher degree of accuracy in what you are saying. Its still being experienced thru a filtered, limited, system. That is where my "space" lies, mostly, within my constructs. I know I dont see what is there. I choose not to delude my self into thinking whatever I see/ experience is what is really there and get stuck in dogmatic views. Flexible minds, far more..hmm....FUN! haha. Peace

It is to me. Heck, its not even about other minds! haha. Just my own. If people want to join in, great! If not, great, too. Peace

Thats my point. Every paradigm/ belief system has its own version of what is real that is considered holy and concrete. If you just look at things from the perspective of how much we really see/ experience, then it becomes far less certain. We dont really know. We think we know. We can point and say, AH HAH! See! There, its a round earth! Told you so! Yet, when you take the factors of our limited perception of reality, how bound by limitations we are, etc. Then it becomes more....shifty. Sure, it may seem to be round. Does that mean that is what it is? No. It means thats what we see. If a person looks at the earth and says that it is flat or bell shaped or toroidal, people tend to consider them crazy or stupid. Well, what if they are right? They are experiencing things in a different manner then some. The general opinion is based on consensus. The majority of people see spherical/ round so thats what it is. Does not mean its true. That is my only real point. The whole reason for this is because its fun. Because looking at different ideas, questioning all that we think we know, is very helpful, I have found. Thats it. This is not an attack on anybodies belief system. Its a way to open our minds and methods of thinking. A way to help us grow. I hope that some will see that and experience something fun out of this. Peace

Glad you are enjoying this thread! Lots of information to think in new ways. Even if you decide its not true, the whole point is to open up to new ideas. Expand past the old. Good stuff. The moon may be different. Earth may be different. We may be different. Far too many possibilities and most of us know very little. I happen to agree on 9/11. On one hand, Al Qaeda was armed and trained by the CIA as an asset to hold and protect US oil interests in the 60s and 70s. Then, suddenly, ties are broken in the 90s and then they attack? sounds fishy. Even if it was a legitimate attack, not an inside job. It was still used to gain massive foot holds on the planet and switch from a legal democracy to a legal martial state. So my point of view is, no matter how it was started, what came after benefitted certain groups and moves were and are being made by said group. Follow the money, as some say. hahaha. Anywho, Peace.

Yes, it is interesting what the Remote Viewers see. I was reading some declassified government files and one had mention of the martian race.... They were talking about a transmission that was coded and what the code might mean and the person who wrote the report was saying that one part could be characteristics of the species and if so, they would be about 7 1/2 feet tall for men and 6 1/2 feet tall for women, which was about right for the martian race. That was pretty strange, I thought. Anywho, fun to see what is out there!

Is anything really settled? 100 years ago things were settled. Now those things that were considered settled and constant have changed. the ideas about them have changed. Thats the whole point of this exercise, as NAJA put it. To help us poke holes in what we think we know. to create space for NEW things. Very few developments are done by those who think everything is done already. Peace

That also brings up a question as to what light is. Do we even know what light is? As usual, humans think they know, when they probably dont know. We see "things' in a form that is not true. All life is illusion, etc. All of our reality is in our minds. Maybe light is mind?! Whoa.... So what is dark matter/ dark energy? Supposedly its the stuff that makes up the majority of "things"....they just dont know what that is. hm...... Much to ponder. Good stuff! Peace.

YEA! Lets send NAJA! NAJA will get the scoop. Scooping them snow cones. Chillin on the beaches with polar bears. Snapping photos of giant mechs from space station 9. This is a good plan.

Interesting. so space is mostly empty of particles, hence the light barely being reflected? Then...how can we see space? We see light. Thats supposedly how we see. Yet, we can see space. We call it black, empty, etc. We are still seeing "some thing" there. Its not an absence of. Maybe the light is there, filling all space, just in a form we dont normally see as light.... Interesting. Thank you for your input SeekerofTao! Its enjoyable to have your input, helps me figure out whats going on, think of better questions, ponder more. Peace.

I can see that. Heck, I figure, everything humans think they know, is mostly incomplete. Pieces of a puzzle. What do you think it is, Son?

Thats where my confusion is! NASA and over such organizations/ scientists talk about space dust, debris and such often. So why is there not more light? If its the particles that are just so infrequent...then when there are particles, there should be light reflections. Like fire flies in space.... Something like that. maybe. HAHA.. Peace.

If, as you say, light travels in a straight line...why does the light from the sun not radiate outward in all directions like a flashlight combined with a disco ball? The light is being sent in all directions, because its a spherical ball of explosions, so then why is the light not visible in space? Are there no particles or anything at all to reflect it? Does it need to be reflected? Are you saying that you cant see light, except from the source its coming from? This is an interesting conversation! Neat. Peace

Hehe. That applies to everyone, Flolfolil. People on all sides will rarely ever acknowledge evidence that they are wrong. Most people are just not that open minded. To be able to let go of all that they knew, that it could be wrong.. Not an easy thing. Peace

FIRE IS CHOCOLATE!!! The secret of the universe!!!!!

I do want some more pie.....

That was my point. "provable" is not really provable. Every thing we use to prove a theory, is filtered, made and interpreted by our senses/ experience. Its all highly, extremely, limited. So its not really proven. Its just one idea. It is all also based on information that does not come from our own experience. Sure, we see the horizon. That is our experience. Have we gone to every part of the earth? Have we gone and seen what is there? Few have. What does it matter if someone says or thinks something that goes against what you believe or what society believes? It does not. at all. You can choose to listen, ponder it, explore and then decide. Or stick with what you believe. neither is better or worse. It just is for you. Its a choice. Fact is also something we make. Who decides what is fact? Me? you? A group of people who supposedly know more then us so they are more right? All of this ties into my main point. Our experience of what is is extremely limited. What we experience as true, may not really be true. Why not just go with it and enjoy thinking about new, different things? Wonder at the possibilities of a flat earth! We wont get anywhere better then where we are if we cant open our minds and let go of what we think we know. Key words- think, we, know. Peace.

Its interesting how people will get upset and attack topics like this. What is the harm in opening our minds? In delving into possibilities? In questioning everything we know? None. Atleast, not to our self. So who then, is being harmed? If nobody is being harmed, why the anger and fear? questions, questions. There are plenty of reasons why some group may want to hide things and enforce other things. Say, if the earth is flat. Then that would change all of physics and science. That would also mean that the sky we see is probably not the real sky. Why? Because the things we see out in space, are round. If we are not round....why are they? Also, the question then becomes, why is the earth flat? The answer to these questions may give you an idea as to why they are being hidden/ altered. If they are at all. Also, we barely perceive a tiny percentage of what exists. its idiotic to believe that what we "know", is true. In an absolute form, it cant be. If we cant even experience half of what is really there, then we dont know what we are experiencing at all. Yet, how often do we delude our selves into thinking we know? Often. I find a certain amount of doubt, acknowledging all this and staying open to expand and delve into new/ reshash old things, helps. Anywho. Lots of questions, few answers. Peace