Uroboros

If "god" is everything, then we must be "god". All of existence must be as well. Otherwise, "god" is not every thing. Peace.

Hehe, It was a question worth asking! Haha. Ahh, so you naturally feel and connect to your body intensely. That big of a shock that many dont? Wowser. We are vast and complex. Our bodies are so intelligent...Often my body knows what to do and I just get in the way with my "intelligence"! hah. The trauma can be stored deep, tis true. In working on my body, BKF water method style, I have noticed allot of stuff in my head..which makes me wonder if its stored trauma from times I hit my head. Happened a few times as a child. Which brings me to a question....how often do we truly heal from traumas? I dunno.... Can we really connect to our subtle bodies, in a fully integrated and coherent manner, with all this "stuff" in our dense bodies? Hm...I wonder if that is why so many psychics are mediocre at best. Wake up, eh... Cat, have you found the BKF Water Method beneficial to your practice/ well being?

Interesting topic...The Old Ones....I can see how such a being could exist. We are so small yet so large...there are so many things that could exist that we have little knowledge of. If such a thing does exist...are we truly capable of inter-acting with it without being consumed/ damaged? Hmm.. Peace.

I have to agree with him, though. I recently started the water method he teaches and I have become aware of SO much :stuff: stored in my body. I was aware of a good bit of it before....Just in my head, HUGE amounts. Lawd. Sometimes, the organs show themselves to me, its a beggining process. So I know I am not truly embodied in my body. when I talk to people, they are very unaware of whats going on inside. Until it gets really bad. How do you feel about it, Cat? Peace.

Fantastic article, Panda! Thank you for sharing. Its interesting how deep the Western Traditions go... Especially considering how few go there. Peace.

Wonderful perspective.....I can see what you are saying, the differences....ZZ does seem to use stories to take us to a place, a slice of life and see it in a certain way... Building these slices to guide us to the whole...eh.. very cool! Thank you for all the great explanations! Helps to understand more about where these people are coming from. Peace.

I find a point he makes very insightful and important. Many people are disconnected from their bodies. I know I am. So starting there is a good thing. He mentions that in his books, as well. Its our foundational form in this form. densest body. If we cant even feel the densest form of ours, what business do we have in the subtle ones? Things to ponder. He (BKF) talks about feeling your organs, the blood in your veins, all of that as being connected, em-bodied. I figure thats a great place to start. build the foundation and all that jazz. Peace.

reason as in way? The way things are/ come about?

Thats a wonderful chapter! I see, thank you for the explanation. ZZ chooses to move beyond duality, eh... So tao, to ZZ, is a principle, a way that things come about? Interesting... Thank you both for explaining this to me! Peace

So ZZ talked about things that LaoTzu didnt? Isnt the Mystery and Manifest just a part of existence? Hence my confusion as to why ZZ would not talk about it. Even If only in an abstract, in direct way. My previous post was actually a question. Outdates? Not his concern? I meant, why?

Outdated? Not his concern? If its a part of Taoist philosophy, a part of existence, the Tao, why would ZZ not speak to it, if not by using the same terms? Peace.

I dont expect anything of you. I expect things of my own self. Current humanity does have quite a few problems. If you dont like the path you are on, then change it. if you dont, you can change your relationship to it. You could also do nothing. Lots of choices. It is a somewhat tribal setting. In the sense of the tribal mindset. Peace.

Sometimes we look out at the external world and we see so much wrong, so little right, for us.... When there is so little right that we feel there is no path.. We may need to make our own right and tread into the bush. Peace.

That is a brilliant insight. They both have different perspectives/ views and cannot see parts of the others perspectives/views. This seems to point towards Wu/ Yu. That it is easy to focus on just one, without ever going into the other. We then only have half the experience, though. The Peng does not know what it is like to be the size of a Dove and the Dove has no idea what it is like to be the size of Peng. hehe...the Ant thinks the Dove is gigantic....like the Dove to the Peng.. What is the Peng to the Ant? The sky.

Oh yes, preferences are helpful! I agree, its the clinging, the attachment to one single thing that seems to create loads of problems. It does for me, atleast. haha. Some things are better to hold onto, though. Some things feel "right" on a deep level where I have to do it. Few things are like that, though. We are off topic?! Oh, we are...sort of...kinda...maybe. Peace.

Hehe, choosing one over the other, this over that, him over her, etc...is a big pitfall. I have seen plenty of people limit themselves and their experience of life doing that. I know I have done it. I love choosing both...Maybe is a great answer, to me. haha. In my head, I think maybe more often then yes or no. HAHAH.... My mind cant make up its mind so I pay it no mind. HAH

Well, I hope you feel some calm and tranquility with some delicious food, soon. There are plenty of people who can read chinese/ understand the grammar on here. Maybe we can persuade some to come talk and help us see if there are some other layers to it! Cookies work...We need cookies. Take care of your self, Stosh. Peace.

I meant, is there more to breathing then we mostly experience? The topic of the illusory nature of reality/ experience, how does that relate to breathing? Is the prana/ qi in the breath a component? Then is the gross air breath the illusory nature? Just thinking about other ways the illusions may help us "see" life in different ways. If I put awareness into my breathing, it stabilizes by itself. Without force. You are right, MH, the body is very intelligent. Peace.

Illusions upon illusions!! I can breathe without breathing!! Oh wait...nope. Not yet. Although, that is an interesting thought...if all things are not what they seem to be, then what is breathing in this topic? What is the illusory nature of breathing? I hope that is not off topic...straying too far. Peace.

Hmm...Stosh, when I read these things, like mythology and other writings that use words/ symbolical representations of "things".. I feel that there very well could be deeper meaning. My previous ramblings point to my current wiggly line of thinking on that. hah. In Myth, there are the Archetypes that represent deeper, spiritual/ mental principles at work/ rest. Could there be such things in the Chuang Tzu? Maybe. Peace.

That is a gorgeous picture. Thank you for sharing, Effilang! I do enjoy the perspective of man being tiny within the whole. Yet still within it. a part. The scope and beauty of nature shown within pictures of that style always just take my breath away.. They usually give it back, too! Peace.

Its true. I often times have found answers in weird places... I wonder what the question is?! hahah

What is a chinaman, anyways? Its off topic, I know. The term is just being thrown around now and Its very vague. Ancestry wise? Well, which tribe/ region is a "chinaman"? Lots O different ones. Culturally? Well, we are talking about and feel a connection with parts of that culture. So maybe we are, who do not fit ancestry wise, are like the strange step children. Peace.

Then they go on to talk about how the cicada and the dove laugh at the Peng for its efforts to gather so much wind, to travel so far and high. We see that often play out in human inter-actions. This may even be of a similar vein to TTC Chapter 41 The best scholars, hearing of Tao, follow it diligently. The modest scholars, hearing of Tao, falter in and out. The mediocre scholars, hearing of Tao, burst into laughter. If there is a layer to cultivators, maybe they are speaking to a common problem. Many are acting like the cicada, running around thinking their "low level" achievements are something worth while, when they have no idea what the "higher heights" are like. If someone speaks to the "high levels", they laugh and think it absurd and a waste of time. Peace.

Hmm....I have been pondering these sections, 1/ 2, looking at them from a different perspective.. Section 2 starts with talking about water, how you need a certain amount of water to carry certain sizes. If the water is not deep enough, it wont carry a big boat. When I was thinking about the wind being Qi, I did not mean Qi as in wind. I meant the Qi "field" / "web". The "energy". Looking at this section, Im pondering the meaning that they are talking about how you must have a certain amount of Qi built, possibly in the LDT ( wind underneath the wings) to " carry the sky on your back"...experience the Tao? (TrueTao) Of course, it could also mean "breath" or "air". We do happen to need good breathing to do much of anything. haha. There are probably layers to these writings..Some only make sense if we look at it from different perspectives. Some would be philosophical, some would be speaking to cultivators. Interesting that they say- Therefore (the Peng ascended to) the height of 90,000 li, and there was such a mass of wind beneath it; thenceforth the accumulation of wind was sufficient. As it seemed to bear the blue sky on its back, and there was nothing to obstruct or arrest its course, it could pursue its way to the South. So if there is sufficient "wind", nothing is left to obstruct or arrest its course... I wondering if that is talking about clearing the channels/ vessels. Enough qi in the LDT, they open naturally. Hehe, of course, I may be seeing more then there is here.