KenBrace

Does anyone here know what the difference is between Kundalini and MCO? They both send energy up the spine. I've been working to store chi in the lower dan tien but during the day I have ecstatic surges of energy rush up my spine, straight to the crown. These rushes happen when deep feelings of connection and purpose occur. For example, the other day I was at a court hearing and saw this young guy get sentenced to 40 years in prison. I was then overwhelmed by a feeling that people in society need inspiration. Every time a thought would hit me about how to do that, why it should be done, how to inspire people, etc. I would immediately get that ecstatic rush. If I think about doing something I'm genuinely passionate about or sometime that is meaningful to me at a deep level, those same rushes will hit me. Imagine if something amazing happened at a stadium and suddenly the whole crowd jumped up and roared in applause. Or imagine countless numbers of people roaring before a battle. That is sort of what it feels like. The only thing that worries me is that since my goal is to store energy in naval chakra, I want to avoid "spending" it so to speak. So if the energy is leaving the dan tien and creating a rush, then I would prefer to avoid that. However, if it's kundalini or something else that has no affect on energy storage in the lower dan tien, then I'm all in. Any thoughts?

I certainly hope this is the case. The other day I was paying very close attention while it was shooting up my spine and it did feel very much like a yo-yo. Do you have any sources with more info/details?

How does the energy know to return to the naval instead of some other dan tien or chakra?

One thing I've noticed is that it starts at the base of the spine. Sometimes this area will get really hot when a lot of surges are happening in a row. It feels like a cool electricity shooting up the spine and hitting certain points in my back where knots up a little. It reaches various different levels during different occasions. Sometimes it goes all the way to the crown and my whole body feels supercharged and ecstatic. This started happening after several ego death experiences on LSD. I've read that kundalini can awaken this way and the symptoms seem strikingly similar to what I've read about it. I'm hoping this is the case and I'm not circulating dan tien energy up the spine/through MCO. To store the chi, I put my awareness at the naval while breathing slowly. This is also done in a meditative state so that I'm able to maintain laser focus. At first I couldn't feel much and just hoped chi was being stored there but I now feel a "knot" in the area that intensifies during an inhale. It tends to heat up during intense, prolonged focus as well. I am unable to train within 72 hours of an orgasm so that makes my "per day" average a little inconsistent. Sometimes I do multiple hours per day and other times I go a week without training at all (fucking wet dreams! ). I've been training as much as possible since the beginning of this year though and recently hit 70 logged hours. I really hope so. Do you think there is a chance it is leaving the navel and circulating to other areas? Something is definitely surging up my spine. I haven't really noticed much decrease in the energy I do have so I think it's probably ok. I do know that Microcosmic Orbit and LDT training are not compatible since you don't want the stored energy to leave the dan tien and enter an orbit. I honestly have no clue how kundalini enters the picture though. Is it simply an energy form that uses your chi in a certain way? Or perhaps it's something else entirely that does not affect chi storage at all? Pretty much in the dark...

"Buddhism is basically just Hinduism stripped for export." -Alan Watts

I don't remember deleting any posts.

If the only thing we had was the paper on fire demo then I wouldn't be convinced. But we have much more than that. We have demonstrations where Chang is stripped to a shirt, checked for metal, and then taken to a random location where he has no control over the environment. Also keep in mind that during that time they didn't have as much technology as we do today. I think Charles Crawford said that they hadn't invented ion generators yet. He may have been talking about the 80s though. I'm sure if they had them by the 90s. Either way he couldn't have passed the metal inspection with any sort of static ring, ion generator, taser, etc. Any ideas how he could have faked the demo under the conditions seen in the 1990s documentary (not the original one)? Not only did Jim train without reversed breathing but he also used a microcosmic orbit method during level one that ruined all of his prior training. He had to start over because of this. So these two things combined explain why it took him 10 years to complete level one. It takes most people around 5 years I think.

It is a neigong forum. It's just that there aren't many neigong systems out there that have proven their authenticity. If we are able to get hard evidence from Jiang then you'll be seeing lots of threads about him there as well. If fact, if we can verify that Jiang is not a scammer then we'll all be switching to his system. Same goes for Wang Liping or any other nei kung system. We aren't married to Mo Pai. We just aren't willing to risk our health, time, and money with systems that haven't been properly validated. I hope you understand the difference here.

If the Mo Pai thread is to be reopened then I think the references to MPG's real name should be removed as this was an intentional privacy invasion by Elijah to get revenge against the people who exposed him (that's why he mentioned Well's real name too).

I am not interested in continuing this conversation because if you're the type of person who would compare both my friends and myself to notorious criminals, then you're not the type of person who is prepared to look at the situation honestly and fairly. Therefore a conversation with you will get no where so I see no point in continuing it. My thoughts on the matter are pretty much summed up here...

yes, unless the muslim wasn't there for logical debate. I'd have no problem with a Mo Pai skeptic if they had critical thinking skills and presented logical arguments. But that wasn't the case. It was anit-mopai trolling.

That attitude right there is why you were banned from the Neigong Forum. It had nothing to do with me bullying you. You came to a Mo Pai forum with an anti-mopai attitude. So all it did was cause disruption. What would you do if you started an atheist forum and then some muslim guy pops on and go on about how atheists are ignorant, will go to hell, science is a religion, etc.? That would be considered trolling.

Oh, so now we're being compared to notorious criminals? This guys steals money from people, lies to them, and spreads disinformation in the process. He's a wicked, lying, selfish sociopath who cares only for his own monetary benefit. He'd kill you and harvest your organs if he thought he could get away with it and get good money for them on the black market. Comparing me to this person is completely insane. I know you don't like me and I don't particularly like you either. But I know better than to compare you to a thieving psychopath. I've never robbed anyone. I've never, ever requested money from anyone who has asked for help with Mo Pai. And I'm not a pathological liar like this guy. I think highly of Wells because he's one of the few people I know who shows an interest in what's actually important and who knows how to think critically and with a skeptical yet open mind. Sadly, this seems to be quite rare in today's world.

Well you see, you are using your reasoning skills. When people are emotionally envolved in a religion, they tend to abandon critical thinking. Sorry, but science isn't a religion. LOL! I know a little girl just like that. Can't stand being around her. It drives me nuts how people continuously cater to her annoyingly selfish, demanding, and narcissistic personality.

Believe me, there was plenty of justification. You just haven't seen it. But then again, why would you have seen it? You're not the administrator. What gives you the right to state that there was no justification when you have only a limited understanding of what has been going on? You should be thanking dawei for ridding this community of two well-known scammers. Not accusing him of some ridiculous conspiracy with MPG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvHSUr7jrmI

The world we see is completely internal. It's a simulation created by the brain from the sensory stimulation it receives. So the "external" reality that we live in does not look, sound, smell, taste, or feel like anything. It's a field of information. Does this mean that we live in the matrix?

This seems like a valid reason. If you own a forum and someone is disturbing the peace then kick them out. However, why not just be honest about this reason from the start? Tell MPG that you he simply isn't fitting in and you'd appreciate it if he left. If he continued the same behavior then issue a ban. That's similar to the way I run the Neigong Forum. I'm open to any opinion as long as it is defended rationally. People who repeatedly post ridiculous non-sense without backing up their claims with evidence and logic are asked to step their behavior. If they continue then we ask them to leave. If they refuse to leave and continue the same behavior as before then they are suspended for trolling. If they come back and continue the trolling then they given a longer suspension. A further infraction upon return will result in a ban. Seems fair enough to me. So why invent false rule violations? Why not just handle it honestly? Speaking of disturbing the peace, I try my best to avoid doing that here. I just think this whole ordeal could have played over more smoothly if it had been handled in an honest and straight-forward manor. Cheers! -Ken

Yeah I liked your signature better with the graphics.

Of course. What else is a simulation supposed to feel like? I mean an abstract field of information that consciousness interprets into an experience. Mind is the result. The brain is the root cause. So physical brain then.

What about...?

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I'm interested. Just started a Qigong community that I'm attempting to get off the ground. Some cross-pollination sounds awesome! Email sent.

@Infolad1 You have the longest forum posts I've ever seen.

Yes, but let me hear you say it anyway so I can quote the post.