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There is a difference between Kosta's personal opinions and quotes by Chang simply forwarded by Kosta. If Kosta had quoted Chang when saying that Mo Pai is a martial art then I would change my views.

Agreed.

Tongkosong, What would be your suggestion for westerners like me? What would you do if you were in my shoes? Any advise?

It seems to me that Chang was always in favor of it being taught to the west, considering the fact that he took 5 students in even though it put him in hot water. I can't say for sure whether or not Chang gave Jim direct permission, but he definitely wasn't "disrepecting" him. He was carrying out his wishes from what I can tell. Jim stated that Chang did give him direct permission to teach though and I have no reason not to believe him. What is your side of the story?

The Mike Tyson story was in Jim's book.

That is true in a sense. It seems like the higher level people become, the less they care about material things and society. However they are still stuck here on Earth until their death. After they die I assume that their spirits can pretty much go whereever they want whether that be to inhabit another body, hang around Earth as a spirit, or travel to some to other world or dimension. I do not think this sort of thing can be properly comprehended by average folks like you and I though. I am sure it is one of those things that requires first hand experience.

What was that again?

He's been here for about seven months so he's had a little time to listen and pick up things. Besides, scammers and such have all been thoroughly discussed on MPG's forum. If he's a puppet then he's sure as h*ll got me fooled.

Leo isn't Dorian lol.

It's not my forum. I can't delete someone else's posts. If you are aware of a F*** You, etc. posts by myself, send me a link to it (pm of course) and I'll delete it if you remove Jim's instructions. Besides what does MPG's forum have to do with Jim's instructions. Why would you host Jim's private email instructions on your forum publically, further spreading it. They were leaked by a student and hosted by Sifu_ReL and a couple other places, but not anymore. The public leaking has almost died out and gone back to the way it was before. Until you publically re-hosted them again. You might as well be the person that leaked them to start with considering the fact that they were pretty much private again before you posted them on your forum. MPG isn't even in this equation. This is about respect for Jim and his private teachings.

Ugghhh... Non-sense and garbage is all I see in your post. You can't even meditate for 5 hours yet you think you are somehow advanced. You know nothing of real meditation. I couldn't even finish reading your article. Too long and full of non-sense. I'd say MPG has accomplished 1,000x more than you will eer accomplish in your entire lifetime. He's just not dumb enough to shout everything he expereinces to the world and think it means anything. It would just be more noise among the sea of rubish and complete non-sense. All this non-sense about doing 3 sessions in one day is rediculous. Do some real training and go longer than 3 hours at a time (if you can even do that). Everything you say is like a joke to me. If you want to continue this discussion it should be off site. I'm through discussing with you here. We can continue on MPG's forum, the unmoded section of my forum, PM, or email. I refuse to converse any more on this thread conserning the current debate.

SonOfTheGods, I highly request that you remove Jim's instructions from your forum. Yes he is dead but that doesn't mean his works shouldn't be respected. Posting his instructions publically is extremely disrespectful.

It wasn't a "last resort". I was suggesting that we should continue this discussion somewhere besides TTBs since we are borderlining on violating TTBs policy. Let me ask you a question... Do you disagree with anything taught by the Mo Pai (e.g. grounding, deep trance, etc.)?

That was a mistake on my part. I accidentally confused mundras with mantras.

Joeblast, Considering the fact that you've already thrown several insults at me I would recommend that you continue this discussion either in the unmoderated sub-forums (not public) on neigongforum.com or on post on MPD. Both of us are probably borderlining on receiving suspensions or some other form of moderator action.

Umm... that would be now. 5+ hours is no problem for me, so long as I have a large enough time block to train undistracted. What's the longest you've ever meditated straight joeblast? 30 minutes? lol I couldn't care less about your yogic breathing and dan tien junk. Just more useless non-sense. I think I'll stick with a system taught by a master hundreds of thousands of times more powerful than you.

I have complete instructions for level one as taught by Jim and Kosta. throw this level 1 in the garbage and go read my writings on breathwork, dantien breathing, anapanasati and longevity breathing. Translation: You want me to throw out the only publically known system for achieving immortality and replace it with useless, newage garbage. train 3 times a day This is a good example of the fact that you know nothing of quality training. You don't train "3 times per day". You train once per day (5+ hours). this approach will get you your level 1 result you want. No it won't. if you want to continue playing around It is you who is playing around with useless systems and techniques that go no where meaningful.

I don't believe that for a micro-second.

Just beause one becomes immortal doesn't mean they leave this Earth.

I'd vote for you!

I don't think I'd last one day at the job. I'd be the odd ball that always disagrees with the rest of the team.

I started Mo Pai about a year ago but didn't really understand it or begin correct training until the beginning of this year. Until I am able to hit the borderline state I'll be getting no where in terms of spiritual developement.

Yes.

Mo Pai Nei Kung - Level One For any seeker who is looking for help with the training for Mo Pai Level One go to the thread linked below. Mo Pai Nei Kung - Level One

Yeah TTBs would definitely not be the place to do something like that. The Neigong Forum would be a much better place.