SonOfTheGods

It is a "heaven to earth" method and is one of those "secrets" people are talking about on the other thread. Anyone know/recall what thread he's talking abut?

Reverse MCO almost always for me during the time I am aware Anyone else?

The Mo Pai gods are exacting revenge upon us

We lost More Pie Guy, and got this guy?

powerlifting and martial arts

The Organ Kundabuffer: https://sites.google.com/site/amritayanabuddhism/Home/the-organ-kundabuffer In his most important book, BEELZEBUB'S TALE TO HIS GRANDSON, Gurdjieff talks about an organ that was implanted into humanity called the "organ kundabuffer". It was planted by two archangels in response to galactic catastrophe which affected the solar system which includes the planet Earth. The organ was temporarily implanted into humankind in order to minimize the sorrow of adapting to the stabilization period where the two moons, Luna and Anulios, would return to a balanced orbit around the Earth. Gurdjieff did believe that the Earth did have and still has two moons. Contrary to some esoteric views which assert that modern science has not verified the truth of two moons or assert that Gurdjieff was wrong about their being two moons, modern science has verified the truth what Gurdjieff taught. It is merely that Anulios, which Gurdjieff said was very small, is classified as a very large asteroid instead of a moon. It may be that this asteroid/moon could be, in the future, a place where a space colony may be able to use. According to the story, the two archangels later removed the organ after the cosmic catastrophe was neutralized. However, the organ, having been implanted and removed, had side effects. One was that humans would periodically war against each other, exploit each other, and kill each other. Two was that they tended to see everything upside down, mistaking transitory events for eternal conditions, and tended to be addicted to and conditioned by things that gave them sensory pleasure. Three was that humans attached too much weight to verbal communicated thoughts and not enough weight to what could be and needs to be verified in human experience. It seems that this organ remained in the human body as a kind of virtual vestigial organ. It seems related to a series of habits that prevent human beings from correctly seeing their life condition and doing something about it. What is interesting is that there is a mention of a decrease in life span associated with the progressive degeneration of the human species as a result of this organ, that ordinary human beings were meant to live for at least centuries rather than their very short present lifespans. What is interesting in this regard is that John Bennett took the time to find some of the teachers of Gurdjieff and found them to be about 500 years old. This particular point fits Amritayana Buddhism concerning how aging and death are not necessary. At the same time, it explains many factors which have arisen which explains why humans do age and die. When certain advanced beings ask Beelzebub what could be done about the residual remains of the organ and how these remains are still infecting human consciousness, he shares that he felt that another organ should be implanted into humanity that would make humans aware of their own impending death and the death of everyone around them. This is something that Buddha taught people to do as well as other esoteric traditions. The Cisternian Christian monks would take a spoonful of dirt from their own grave site every morning to remind them of transitoriness. There are some interpretations of the organ kundabuffer that take this organ as a metaphor the personal ego. There is much that lends itself to this interpretation. The explanation, then, of the archangels implanting the organ then merely points to an ancient cosmic anomaly that we have inherited. The Buddha, when asked about the origins of ego consciousness, talked about those causes "lost in the night of time". In other words, the causes of causes of causes is such a long chain that it goes back into a time period that we have no memory. But I have come to the understanding that the personal egoism and the organ kundabuffer are different. Perhaps they are related, but I think that Gurdjieff used the term "organ" to point to biological root, rather than a psychological construct. This means that the organ implanted that causes humans to be aware of their own impending death and the death of all those around themselves is not merely making people aware of the processes of death and destruction, but a kind of organic shock to our system that changes our biochemistry and induces a change that lifts us beyond the effects of the organ kundabuffer. I found, for instance, that my schizophrenic mother became spontaneous very healthy and balanced in about three days when I was able to provoke her into being angry and to have her stay with her anger. It happened rather well for a long period of time. I was not sure why, but it worked well enough so that I would do it often during a period of time. The result could have been explained psychologically, because she did have a lot of repressed anger that when given a chance to be consciously embraced would help her feel better. But I was never quite satisfied that this was the whole explanation. It seemed that a strong emotion like anger produces a kind of chemical shock in the system and may have neutralized another pre-existing chemical condition. I have a feeling that LSD and other hallucinogens did something similar. They produced a chemical shock which neutralized the residual chemical substrate of the organ kundabuffer. Krishnamurti, when his brother Nitya died, went into deep grief and emerged enlightened. Grief, too, is a chemical shock to the body and can wipe out the same chemical substrate. Jesus dying on the cross is also a vast chemical shock to the body. Near death experiences also are a chemical shock. These shifts can have more permanant or less permanant effects in terms of moving beyond the ego consciousness. This is why Beelzebub talks about having this second organ be constant enough to break down the previous chemical substrate to the point where it cannot reform itself. Paradoxically, watching the daily news could almost fulfill the kind of organic shock that Gurdjieff is hinting at, since it reports almost daily on the processes of recipocal destruction of humans by humans and thus makes people aware of transitoriness and death. It does not work perfectly, though, and it seems that a person would need to "self remember" or do mindfulness of breathing at the same time as watching the news to have the stimulus be effective. One of the keys to understanding what Gurdjieff is teaching is the root word, "buffer." This is a word Gurdjieff apparently got from a railroad train engine that was designed to absorb shocks. It is similar to the Buddhist idea of "obscuration" where something is not able to be felt as long as the obscuration is in place. Some people, like Ouspensky, associated "kundabuffer" with "kundalini," but they are two different things. In a sense, kundabuffer is a block to the natural evolutionary movement of kundalini energy. Beezebub mentions that the organ was implanted at the base of the spine. I have gathered that the exact location is near L4-L5 and blocks the kundalini from rising from the sacrum beyond this point. One way of generating a certain energy to move us beyond our personal egoic state is to create a positive shock to this location so that the energy completes its circuit and flows up the spine. This, however, could induce a healing crisis that could take much time to process. A person might seem to go insane or bipolar if this is activated too continually. It seems that in the beginning we need to take the shocks in small doses and first have some temporary relief from the ego state. What is interesting is how certain biochemical shocks seem to result in people having "out of the body experiences" (OOBEs). It seems that one new way of shifting people beyond the residual biochemical substrate of the organ kundabuffer is the use of "brainwave synchronizers". This approach uses what is called the "frequency following effect" (FFE) to shift our brainwaves to specific frequencies and to more coherent signal patterns. When a person is hooked up to a brainwave monitor and the EEG (a reading of the brain's electrical activity) is read, our brainwaves are normally fairly chaotic but tend to cluster around a certain dominant frequency range. When certain Zen Masters were studied, they were seen, after ten years of meditation, to have formed a rhythmic theta pattern. This pattern could be induced by a synchronizer in about five minutes. Although there is more to meditation that forming a rhythmic theta pattern, the acceleration of ten years to five minutes is still impressive. It does seem that brainwave synchronizers help people to learn to meditate more rapidly. It helps clear a kind of background static more rapidly by far than if we tried to do this without its assistance. Part of our attraction to music has to do with the embedded FFE, especially in the formation of chords and harmonic fifths. My belief is that they help to dissolve the biochemical substrate of the organ kundabuffer through reinforcing a coherent electromagnetic field within the brain that is used as a template to rebuild our biochemical level. The result is that some part of our being is able to leave the restriction of the physical body and roam the cosmos. There is an FFE pattern called "mind awake, body asleep" that seems especially useful to attain this inner degree of freedom. It seems to be very helpful for doing Tibetan bardo work and to enhance the power of the archetypal visualizations. Unlike the use of hallucinogens, there are no negative biochemical side effects. It works by going one level below biochemistry entirely to the organizing electromagnetic frequencies that shape our biochemical pathways and puts them into "coherence", a more organized and natural state, so that they can reshape the biochemical patterns of our body. This requires that we have a good diet to support this process and that we move through the "kriyas" (cleansing effects) as our bodies purge the kundabuffer toxins. It seems in our natural physically immortal state that we have the ability to leave our usual physical bodies. This has created a curious thing in my own life process, because I feel that I have two "physical" bodies. One seems to be growing out of the other one. The more that I care for my usual outer physical body, the more an etheric analogue physical body is formed inside. It seems that this happened to both Aurobindo and to Guatama Buddha. Aurobindo called this second body a "supermental body" and Buddha called it the "mind made body". This body seems free of the usual karma patterns that form our first physical body. Our regular physical body is formed by a conjunction between our personal karma, our mother's karma, and our father's karma, and through this triadic union we join the collective karma of humankind. This passing on process is how we inherit the residual organ kundabuffer. This is a subtle point. Some of our karma comes from the outside or from what Buddha called "the interdependence of the inside and outside". This explains why our past lifetimes are similar to our present lifetime and also how they can also be very different. The mixture gives us certain new advantages and disadvantages. There is a quantum level "like attracts like" that makes the new karmaic patterns fit a larger sense of what karma is about. Because the second physical body is "created from meditation" it is like the pure lands of the Buddhas. It is free from the karmas of sorrow. It grows within us and begins to take on a life of its own. It seems that this second body eventually overshadows and absorbs the old physical body into itself or that we shed our present physical body and add what Gurdjieff called a "planetary coating" upon it. In any case, this second physical body eventually is able to function as a coherent body completely independently of the first one. Both Guatama and Aurobindo eventually released their first physical body and formed a new physical body. But both of them did talk about physical immortality, about ending aging and death in their first physical body. Guatama Buddha did not do so very much, because part of his mission was to teach "noble death", but he did indirectly teach about these things in some passages in the sutras. Babaji seems to have absorbed his first physical body into his second one so that the first physical body is "taken up". This seems to be the more natural of the two possible processes, but given that the conditions of this planet are not always fully supportive of this process, the second one is a failsafe. Because of the "buffer" effect, we are usually unconscious of our emotional patterns. In this disassociated state, some external shock, some event, is needed to trigger or activate our experience of sorrow. When this happens, we usually want to sedate our pain and stimulate our pleasure with some chemical addiction, overeating food, or some sensory overwhelm in the form of movies with intense experiences being represented. In short, we want to rebuild this buffer. The formation of our usual subconscious mind is therefore part of the Organ Kundabuffer effect. It is perhaps the one most clearly connected with the experience, since it explains how we may have survived the early planetary catastrophe that necessitated its formation. But like the story of Noah in the Old Testament, which seems to represent this event, there were side effects. Noah gets drunk on something and then makes one of his sons and his progeny into a slave. Racial prejudice, slavery, addictions, and projection of repressed issues on to others all flow from this formation. We actually try to maintain this disassociated state as "sanity", rather than learn to integrate our emotional patterns. We need to learn how to stay "emotionally connected" instead. One problem is that a lot of prescription medicine is about maintaining this disassociation and also why a mass consciousness of a culture will try to impose itself on others and even outlaw other states of consciousness. The result of the organ kundabuffer is that we need to learn to "stay with our pain" and work through what is there, rather than take some addictive substance to neutralize our pain. A certain amount of pain relief is acceptable if we are so locked into the pain that it feels unbearable and we are not making progress through it. But when it is used to block the pain and let us ignore it, then the whole psychopathology of the residual organ kundabuffer (ROK) continues to play out. I feel that the residual organ kundabuffer is not identical with the personal ego that we are meant to the transcend, though the two are somewhat fused together at this point in time. Before Gurdjieff taught what he did, every religion had some version of ego reduction work. He wanted to add, not merely a different perspective, but to point out something that has infected our ego state and made new challenges to ego transcendance. The older methods may not be enough anymore because of this. They can work up to a point, but the ROK makes the process more complex. _________________ The Doomed Aryan Race, a book by Samael Aun Weor Black Tantra http://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-samael-aun-weor/the-doomed-aryan-race/1310-black-tantra.html Within the perpetual snow of the millenarian Tibet, full of so many traditions, there exist diverse Black Tantric schools. Miserable will be the one who affiliates himself to those tenebrous schools. It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and be cast into the sea. - Luke 17:2 The fundamental, basic objective of the Black Tantric schools is the development of the abominable Kundabuffer Organ (the tail of Satan). White Sexual Yoga teaches that the igneous serpent of our magical powers awakens with the contact of the solar and lunar atoms of the seminal system in the Triveni, close to the coccyx, in order to initiate its march inward and upward through the medullar canal. However, the black yogis from the Drukpa clan never perform the contact of the solar and lunar atoms inside the organism; they always do it outside the organism. These black yogis (Asura Sambhava) commit the crime of ejaculating the semen (Shuhra) during the Maithuna. They do this in order to mix their semen with feminine Raja. Thus, this is how they achieve the contact of the solar and lunar atoms within the same woman’s yoni. Undoubtedly, the most difficult for these Red Hat Bons and Drukpas is the reabsorbing of the seminal liquid after having ejaculated it. A certain terribly malignant psychic type of force exists in this reabsorbing process. Incorrectly applied, the Vajroli Mudra (in combination with their mental force) allows these Red Hat Bons and Drukpas to absorb their spilled seminal liquor through their urethra. During ordinary sexual contact, the intellectual animal spills millions of Solar atoms of very high voltage. These are immediately replaced by billions of Satanic atoms from the secret enemy, and these are collected from within the atomic infernos of the human being by means of the process of contraction (orgasm) of the sexual organs after the coitus. When the semen is not spilled, then the Solar atoms return inward and upward through Ida and Pingala. Then the Solar atoms extraordinarily multiply in quantity and quality. However, the spilled semen (which the Black Tantrikas reabsorb through their urethra by extracting it from within the vagina) has in fact already converted itself into a frightful accumulator of Satanic atoms. When these types of abnormal Satanic atoms intend to rise up to the Golgotha of the Father (the brain), they violently are cast down against the coccyx by the three Akashic breaths that work in Ida, Pingala, and Shushumna. These types of seminal malignant atoms are precipitated through Ida and Pingala. They violently struggle in order to reach the brain; however, all of their efforts are useless because the three Akashic breaths cast them down against that region of the coccyx where a malignant atom has its habitat, and also the power to place the abominable Kundabuffer Organ into activity. Within any ordinary person, the igneous serpent of our magical powers remains enclosed within the coccygeal center; it is coiled up in a marvelous way three and a half times. We convert ourselves into Angels when the serpent rises through the medullar canal. However, we convert ourselves into terribly malignant lunar demons when the serpent descends, when the serpent precipitates from the coccyx downwards into the atomic infernos of the human being. The rising serpent is the Kundalini. The falling serpent is the abominable Kundabuffer Organ. When the serpent is rising throughout the medullar canal, it is the bronze serpent that healed the Israelites in the wilderness. Yet, the falling serpent is the tempting serpent of Eden, the terrible serpent Python with seven heads that was writhing in the mud of the earth and that Apollo furiously hurt with his darts. The abominable Kundabuffer Organ confers onto the Black Tantric magicians terribly malignant psychic powers (siddhis). The abominable Kundabuffer Organ can never open the seven apocalyptic churches of the book of Revelation (which are the seven vital centers of the dorsal spine), because it can never succeed in rising through the medullar canal. However, the abominable Kundabuffer Organ can place the antitheses of the seven churches into activity. The antitheses are seven malignant centers or seven tenebrous chakras of the lower abdomen. Muslims affirm that the Inferno has seven gates, and that these exist in the lower abdomen. The abominable Kundabuffer Organ has the power of opening those seven gates. To develop the abominable Kundabuffer Organ and to place into activity the seven infernal chakras of the lower abdomen is in fact equivalent to converting ourselves into that filthy beast with seven heads and ten horns upon which is seated the great Harlot (humanity), whose number is 666. Those who commit the crime of developing the abominable Kundabuffer Organ divorce themselves from their immortal spiritual triad “Atman-Buddhi-Manas” and sink forever into the Infernal Worlds. Kundalini is a compound word: Kunda reminds us of the abominable Kundabuffer Organ, and lini is indeed an Atlantean word which signifies “ended.” Therefore, the Pentecostal Fire rising through the medullar canal signifies that the abominable Kundabuffer Organ comes to an end. The fire of the Holy Spirit ascending throughout the medullar canal opens the church of Ephesus (coccygeal chakra), opens the church of Smyrna (prostatic or uterine chakra), opens the church of Pergamus (umbilical chakra), opens the church of Thyatira (chakra of the heart), opens the church of Sardis (laryngeal chakra), opens the church of Philadelphia (frontal chakra), opens the church of Laodicea (lotus of one thousand petals), and the abominable Kundabuffer Organ comes to an end. In fact, the damned serpent, the Luciferic fire, the tail of Satan, opens the seven antithetic infernal churches of the lower abdomen. The ascending fire confers onto the Innermost, the Spirit, powers over Prithvi, the element earth, in the church of Ephesus. It confers powers over Apas, the water, in the church of Smyrna. It confers power over Tejas, the fire, in the church of Pergamus. It confers power over Vayu, the air, in the church of Thyatira. It confers power over Akash, the ether, in the church of Sardis. It confers power over the light with the eye of Shiva in the church of Philadelphia, and it confers the union with the Innermost in the church of Laodicea. Even when the abominable Kundabuffer Organ, the descending fire, gives the black yogi certain siddhis (magical powers intimately related with the seven infernal chakras from the lower abdomen) it also converts him into an inhabitant of the Subterranean World, into a slave of the elements. In the Western World, the left-hand adepts have established many schools of Black Tantra. Such tenebrous organizations display sublime titles. We know the case of a certain great initiate who founded a school of White Tantra before disincarnating; unfortunately, he committed the mistake of leaving his son (an inexperienced young man) as General Director. Thus, this naïve youngster (without any true esoteric experience) soon allowed himself to be cheated by certain Black Tantric adepts and concluded by publicly teaching Black Tantra. The outcome of all of this was frightful, because some members of this brotherhood, also inexperienced, accepted the Black Tantric teachings and ended up converting themselves into terribly malignant demons. Sex is a stone of stumbling, and a rock of falling; sex is a chief cornerstone, elect, precious. We must never forget the words of Peter, the Master of Maithuna. Peter warned us against the false prophets and false masters (who in disguise and with sublime and ineffable false appearances) introduce many destructive heresies, much Black Tantra, and pernicious practices. Beloved Gnostic brothers and sisters, follow the straight path, the path of perfect chastity, the path of absolute sanctity, and great sacrifice for our fellowmen. This chapter is from The Doomed Aryan Race (1967) by Samael Aun Weor. Download the whole book from copyright holder here: http://www.americangnosticassociation.com/gnosis/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=67&limit=12&limitstart=12&order=date&dir=DESC&Itemid=30

Where were you at when I posted my thread on Qi and strength? I even had a video lol -where's yours? We should arm wrestle, and the winner gets a Diploma *flexes bicep* - dude, feel my muscle!

"god" =™, ®, ©, -but NOT a name

where's your ex-Lion diploma at? did a gazelle eat it?

Isaac Bonewits: He enrolled at UC Berkeley in 1966; he graduated from the university in 1970 with a Bachelor of Arts in Magic,[3] becoming the first[1] and only person to have ever received any kind of academic degree in Magic from an accredited university (done by altering his records without knowledge of his academic advisor).[4] So, I read his books. Pretty good. I don't have a diploma in magick, but my magick -Pretty good. Isaac Bonewits is dead. I'm not. But his diploma, lives on (at least on Wikipedia) ____________ Matthew 21:25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven or from men? ___________ DeFacto -money- is printed on paper. Thus the cliche- "not worth the value of the paper it is printed on" It's value, depreciates, daily ____________ Finally, if you want to make money- You need a TANGIBLE thing, to REPRESENT, you possess an INTANGIBLE skill (these days)

if as a child, someone tells you "you're all thumbs!" - becoming a porn star might be in your future

haha yeah I tried the humming/holding nose thing too lol yogis can breathe out their anus and some non-yogis can talk out of theirs lolol thumbs up!

BONUS! Your Fat Is Why You're Not As Bright As You Could Be Scientists have discovered that a chemical produced by fat goes into your brain and makes it slower. But don't worry: there's an easy fix. Just guess what it is. http://www.fastcoexist.com/3027307/why-youre-fat/your-fat-is-why-youre-not-as-bright-as-you-could-be Obesity doesn't make you less intelligent, but it might cloud your cognitive abilities. We've compiled an entirely unscientific list of reasons why you--and everyone else--are fat, including: bad urban planning, diet soda, driving, your mom, your job, your fork, your genes, your neighborhood, your eating schedule, your eating habits, pesticides, and even your lack of pot smoking. In a recent study, conducted by researchers at Georgia Regents University, the blood of obese mice had especially high levels of a chemical called interleukin 1, a substance born from fat cells that can cause inflammation. When the researchers later examined the obese mice brains, they found that interleukin 1 had passed the blood-brain barrier--something that normally should not be possible. The substance had seeped into the hippocampus, an area responsible for memory and learning. The mouse brains also had high levels of inflammation and low levels of a biochemical important to synapse function (synapses ensure messages travel efficiently between neurons). These findings led to predictable results in how the mouse brains worked: Other obese mice did poorly on mouse-sized cognitive tests, presumably because the interleukin 1 was clogging things up. But the study didn't end there. The researchers wanted to make sure that it was the extra fat cells--and not something else--causing the disturbing brain changes in the mice. Upon removing fat from the obese mice in a mini-liposuction procedure, the critters scored highly on the same thinking and memory tests they struggled with previously, and the interleukin 1 virtually disappeared from their bloodstreams. When the researchers put fat pads inside thin mice, those previously svelte rodents started doing worse than they had previously on cognitive tests. Here's the good news: Major surgery isn't necessary to improve cognitive function. Exercise can make a big difference. As the New York Times explains, the researchers ultimately decided to put obese mice on a daily treadmill running regimen. Even though the treadmill runners weighed the same as sedentary mice after three months, they gained lean muscle and lost fat from their midsections. And, most importantly, they started performing better than the non-treadmill runners on cognitive tests. The brain inflammation? Gone. Synaptic health? Restored. As with any mouse study, a disclaimer is required: none of these findings necessarily apply to humans. But what's the worst that could come from a little extra exercise?

63. And this is what sand looks like under a microscope: 64. If a piece of paper were folded 42 times, it would reach to the moon. 65. The pyramids were as old to the Romans as the Romans are to us. 66. If you dug a hole to the center of the Earth and dropped a book down, it would take 42 minutes to reach the bottom. 67. There is 10 times more bacteria in your body than actual body cells. 68. And 90% of the cells that make us up of aren’t human but mostly fungi and bacteria. 69. Every two minutes, we take more pictures than all of humanity in the 19th century. 70. Peanuts are not nuts. They grow in the ground, so they are legumes. 71. Turtles can breathe out of their butts. 72. The dot over an “i” is called a “tittle.” 73. There are more atoms in a glass of water than glasses of water in all the oceans on Earth. 74. The probability of you drinking a glass of water that contains a molecule of water that also passed through a dinosaur is almost 100%. 75. At the time the current oldest person on Earth was born, there was a completely different set of human beings on the planet. 76. And at the time you were born, you were briefly the youngest person in the entire world. 77. And, finally, “dog food lid” backwards is “dildo of God.” http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/77-facts-that-sound-like-huge-lies-but-are-completely-true?bffb

I hear you can attend a "get certified to be a ch-kung master" - on your lunch break. You get a diploma, and for just $199.99 more- you can also get a cool, kabbalah red thread bracelet- but you must ACT NOW!

Good thoughts, only

Laogong points on bottom of feet- and heel meridians. Going up and down off the ground creates a magnetic yin pulse- especially if your toes are coming into contact with the ground first. (Think Kunlun). Perineum moving up and down. Flexing of pelvis/cocyxx/sacral/mingmen. The laogong points in your hands, plus the wrist daling points being turned per the rope jumping activate the niwan point in your head. Then it reverses- like Tai Chi: Bai Hui - Niwan - Daling - LDT - Bubbling Springs Deep quick breathing from jumping rope is activating the fire yang breathe, as your mind focuses on the event.

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Love is an "Active Force" "Humble" is an "Attracting Force" That "came" to me last night when meditating- very strongly. So thought I would share Also, for some reason, suggesting, Northern Avid Judo Ant -be unbanned, also came to me last night- just out of no where- very strongly. Synergy working from somewhere, no doubt. ___________________________________ Some "other stuff", too.

Nothing is not No Thing

He/She (I can't tell from the username) should be allowed to return. He/She was having a hard time, and made a violent comment. We all say stuff we don't mean when we are having a bad day. He/She was very intelligent and could benefit from several people here, counseling/coaching him/her daily in private messages etc Forgive, forget, move on If the Tao means anything= it means just that. I personally would help. And should He/She get banned again- you can Ban me too- because it was my idea. Taoism- it isn't just for forum conversation.

This isn't Adam & Eve, and repopulating the world with their DNA. This is a simple forum. Ignore button is useful. And should Adam & Eve act up- the angel with the flaming sword/Ban Hammer (Trunk) unleashes said Heavy Metal from it's Sheath and saith: And the choir 'saith lol if we are going Drama- let's do it BIG ..or not

It isn't a Forum-- It's a Book. Books and their words live on forever- longer than the Author..