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50 Jewish Messiahs & Who Invented Jesus?
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A Short Synopsis of Piso History http://www.fargonasphere.com/piso/synopsis.html This site is about THINKING, not about SUPERSTITION or FAITH. All resources used to prepare this site are historically validated based on actual documents written by authors who lived during the period from 100 BCE to 150 CE. The original King James Version of the Bible is used for all quotes in English because it was the earliest commonly known translation. Later versions contain Christian interpretations that are not literal translations of the original languages of authorship. The Latin Vulgate used by the Roman Catholic Church is used for all quotes in Latin. The works of Suetonius, Pliny (younger and elder), Tacitus and Flavius Josephus are quoted and referenced from commonly accepted English translations. It is important to note that original documents exist for most of the corroboration, and the translations are independent of any work done here. In other words, known, independent, and commonly accepted historians provide the scholarly basis for all information used in this site. One thing that comes out of this research is that superstitious or "mystical" interpretations are given rational explanations. You will see how this is explained by knowing who wrote the New Testament, and who the central figure of the New Testament really is. The New Testament contains references to many historical persons. Julius Caesar seems to be a key player. The Roman emperor Titus Flavius Vespasiani is also represented, and in fact the exploits of Titus as described by Flavius Josephus mirror events in the (fictional) life of Jesus as portrayed in the New Testament. In 47 BCE Caesar was in Egypt being seduced by Cleopatra. Most of us know something about Caesar and Cleopatra. Caesar must have been notified that Pharnaces II, king of Pontus, was planning an invasion of the city of Rome, for he abandoned Cleopatra and sped to Pontus with two legions of Roman troops. There they found Pharnaces' troops in battle regalia ready to march on Rome. Caesar's troops had just finished defeating the city of Alexandria. Although they were fatigued from battle they nevertheless easily routed Pharnaces and utterly negated his plans for conquest. The fact that Cleopatra was a Piso relative may have meant that she was participating in a conspiracy to distract Caesar, which may help to explain her somewhat bizarre efforts at seduction. The Zoroastrian temple at Zela (located on a high prominence) was destroyed. Caesar defended the Jews in Rome. The Pisos hated the Jews (all but the Herodians, who were relatives) because they had supported Caesar, and because their leaders did not believe in slavery. As Royals, the Pisos depended on slaves, as did nearly all Roman aristocrats. When Caesar was assassinated three years later, in 44 BCE, his father-in-law Lucius Piso read Caesar's testament to the people of Rome that same day, while the body was still warm. This "old testament" gave most of Caesar's land and huge fortune to the citizens of Rome, to be divided equally. The substantial balance went to Caesar's son Octavian. The Piso family, his inlaws, inherited only the portion given to them as citizens. The sequence of events is illustrated if you follow this link to: Caesar/Piso Timeline The Pisos had many reasons to hate Julius Caesar. He had made war against their homeland. He had betrayed his wife Calpurnia, who was a Piso, with another Piso relative: Cleopatra. He had written the Pisos out of his will. In addition to all this, he was a Populist and was against the Royals, who suspected that if he were to become dictator he might even abolish slavery. The Piso family were Royals. Sixty percent of the people in the Roman Empire were slaves. So, in 66 CE, a Piso/Flavian named Vespasian, a Roman emperor, waged war against Judea. He tore down the temple at Jerusalem with the help of a Piso relative named Titus Flavius in 70 CE, just as Caesar had torn down the temple at Zela. To commemorate his victory and to create a religion to keep the slaves humble, he and his family authored the New Testament, cleverly inventing a Jesus Christ who would replace Caesar as the head of what was to become the new state religion of Rome: Christianity. -
50 Jewish Messiahs & Who Invented Jesus?
SonOfTheGods replied to SonOfTheGods's topic in The Rabbit Hole
ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS" "We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of Christianity that it was synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this is why we Jews are the "Chosen People" and why we have endured so much for so many years; we are witnesses to the lie. Our ancestors wrote what they could about this in our texts." FROM CHAPTER I (The True Authorship of the New Testament) "The New Testament, the Church, and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso w/long "E") family (a), who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it -- Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, and John the Baptist--are all fictional." "The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story into a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is, fictional!) characters." "In the middle of the first century of our present era, Rome's aristocracy felt itself confronted with a growing problem. The Jewish religion was continuing to grow in numbers, adding ever more proselytes. Jews numbered more than 8,000,000, and were 10% of the population of the empire and 20% of that portion living east of Rome. ( Approximately half or more of the Jews lived outside Palestine, of which many were descended from proselytes, male and female." © "However, Judaism's ethics and morality were incompatible with the hallowed Roman institution of slavery on which the aristocracy fed, lived and ruled. They feared that Judaism would become the chief religion of the empire. The Roman author, Annaeus Seneca, tutor and confidant of Emperor Nero, suggested in a letter to his friend Lucilius (a pseudonym of Lucius Piso) that lighting candles on Sabbaths be prohibited. (d) Seneca is later quoted by St. Augustine in his City of God (e) (although the quotation does not exist in Seneca's extant writings) as charging that: "the (Sabbath) customs of that most accursed nation have gained such strength that they have been now received in all lands, the conquered have given laws to the conqueror."" "The family headed by Seneca's friend, Lucius Piso, was confronted with an allied problem more personal to it. They were the Calpurnius Pisos, who were descended from statesmen and consuls, and from great poets and historians as well. Gaius and Lucius Calpurnius Piso, leaders of the family, had both married Arria the Younger (from her grandfather's name, Aristobulus). This made Gaius and Lucius Piso's wife the great-granddaughter of Herod the Great." "Repeatedly, religious-minded Judaean zealots were staging insurrections against the Herodian rulers of Judaea who were Piso's wife's relations. Piso wished to strengthen his wife's family's control of the Judaeans. The Pisos searched for a solution to the two problems. They found it in the Jewish holy books, which were the foundation both for the rapid spread of the religion and for the zealot's refusal to be governed by Rome's puppets. The Pisos mocked, but marveled at, the Jewish belief in their holy books. Therefore, they felt a new "Jewish" book would be the ideal method to pacify the Judaeans and strengthen their in-laws' control of the country." "About the year, 60 A.D. (C.E.), Lucius Calpurnius Piso composed Ur Marcus, the first version of the Gospel of Mark, which no longer exists. He was encouraged by his friend Seneca (f) and assisted by his wife's kinsman, young Persius the Poet. Nero's mistress (later his wife) Poppea was pro-Jewish, and Nero opposed the plan. The result was the Pisonian conspiracy to assassinate Nero, detailed in the historian Tacitus. But this attempt failed when he aborted the plot. Instead, Nero had Piso and Seneca and their fellow conspirators executed by forcing them to commit suicide." "He exiled Piso's young son Arrius (spelled "Arius" herein), who appears in Tacitus under several names, including "Antonius Natalis." (g) Nero sent young Piso to Syria as governor. That post also gave him command of the legions controlling Judaea. His own "history" records his service in Judaea in the year 65 under the name of Gessius Florus, and in 66 with the pseudonym Cestius Gallus." "This Arius Calpurnius Piso deliberately provoked the Jewish revolt in 66 so he could destroy the Temple in Jerusalem (h)--for the Jews were unwilling to accept his father's story and thereby become pacified by it as it was intended. However, his 12th legion was caught by the zealots in the Pass of Beth Horon and almost lost. Nero's reaction was to exile him instead to Pannonia, to command a legion there; and to send Licinius Mucianus to serve in Syria, and Vespasian to Judaea to put down the Jewish revolt." "Then in 68 Nero was assassinated by his own slave Epaphroditus (I) --who unknown to his master was young Piso's lackey. Galba became emperor and named Piso's cousin, Licinianus Piso, (j) as his intended successor; but Galba in turn was soon overthrown by Otho. Otho was then overthrown by Vitellius-at which point Piso and his friends began to flock together against the latter. The Pisos, Mucianus, and Tiberius Alexander all joined ranks behind Vespasian to seek to overthrow Vitellius. (k) The were joined by Frontinus and Agricola." "Arius Calpurnius Piso was still commanding the 7th legion in Pannonia (l) (Austria-Hungary), and Vespasian sent him (m) (now appearing in Tacitus with the name Marcus Antonius Primus (n)) south across the Alps to overthrow Vitellius. Meanwhile, the main body of Vespasian's legions marched overland under Mucianus from the east towards Rome. Piso succeeded in defeating Vitellius' army and secured Rome for Vespasian.(o) Mucianus arrived and promptly sent him to Judaea to help Titus at the siege of Jerusalem. He did so, and in 70 they assaulted the city, then the Temple, burned it, slaughtered many thousands, sent thousands more to slavery and gladiatorial combat and death." "Then, Arius Calpurnius Piso wrote, in sequence, the following: Gospel of Matthew (70-75 C.E.) Present Gospel of Mark (75-80 C.E.) Gospel of Luke (85-90 C.E., with help of Pliny the Younger) In the gospel story he inserted himself by playing the role of not only Jesus, but of all the Josephs, as well. He particularly enjoyed assuming the identity of Joseph. Wishing to create a Jewish hero, a savior, in fictional form, he (and his father before him), felt the identity of a second Joseph secretly, but very aptly, fit them. For their name Piso had the same four letters, rearranged, as the four Hebrew letters (Yud Vov Samech Fey) which in that language spelled the name Joseph. Thus they saw themselves as the new Joseph. That is why so much of the story of Joseph in Egypt is secretly redone and inserted into the gospel story of Jesus." Reference(a) The vowels are pronounced as in "veto" and "me so". ( Klausner, Joseph, From Jesus to Paul, Macmillan Co., 1943, pp 33-34. © Baron, Salo, A Social and Religious History of the Jews, Columbia Univ. Press, N.Y., and Jewish Publication Society, Philidephia, 1952, vol. 1, pp 170-171. (d) Seneca, Ad Lucilium Epistulae Morales, Vol. III, Epistle XCV.47, pp 87-89. (e) St. Augustine, City of God, Modern Library, Random House, 1950, 6.11, p 202. (f) Seneca, Ad Lucilium Epistulae Morales, Vol. I, Epistle XLVI, pp 299-300. (g) Tacitus, Annals, XV.54,71. (h) Having destroyed the Temple, Piso could then have Jesus (whom he was predating to 40 years before the Temple's destruction) prophecy the destruction because of the Jews' rejection of him! (Mat. 23.37-38). (i) Roman historians (Suet. Nero 49, and Dio Cassius 63.29) explain merely that Epaphroditus assisted the emperor's suicide. See also Tacitus, Annals XV.55, footnote 2. (j) Tacitus, Histories I.14. (k) Tacitus, Histories II.74-81. (l) Tacitus, Histories III.2, footnote 1. (m) (Tacitus) Vespasian relied on Piso because he was grandson of his own brother--Vespasian's brother, T. Flavius Sabinus, had married Arria Sr., who was Piso's maternal grandmother. Piso's identity as thus also a Flavian is decipherable from the appearance in the Flavian family line of L. Caesennius Paetus (Townend, Gavin, Some Flavian Connections, Journal of Roman Studies LI.54,62, 1961). That was an alias (like Thrasea Paetus) of Piso's father, L. Calpurnius Piso. See page 20 supra, wherein Piso himself also is mentioned as a Caesennius Paetus. That is the true reason Piso used the literary pseudonym of Flavius; it was not because of his alleged-but untrue and hardly necessary-adoption by Emperor Flavius Vespasian. He was in fact a Flavian. Piso humorously used the three basic consonants of the Flavians' Sabinus name, SBN, in revised sequences for some of his fictional literary identities: (1) BarNaBaS who appears in Acts 4.36 and there specifically stated as another name of a Joseph (Josephus!), (2) BarNaBazoS in Antiq. XI.207, (3) BaNnoS in Vita 11, the mirror-image of John the Baptist. The same device of rearranging consonants was used in recreating Afranius Burrus, the friend of Seneca (Tacitus, Annals XIII-XIV)-and therefore of Lucius Piso. He was Nero's Praetorian Prefect, and then several years before Seneca's death, was himself a victim of the emperor. Burrus reappears as BaRaBbaS, the fictional brigand in Mat. 27.16. (n) (Tacitus, Histories III.6). The realization that Marcus Antonius Primus was a pseudonym of Arius Calpurnius Piso is based on these factors: 1. The name in Pliny's letters under which Piso is the latter's wife's grandfather is Arius Antoninus. 2. According to Suetonius (Lives of the Caesars, Book IV. XXV), Emperor Caius Caligula appropriated Gaius Piso's wife at Piso's marriage. That would have been about the year 36--the year before Arius' birth. Caligula is known to have been a descendant of Mark Antony (Marcus Antonius). Seemingly Suetonius was teasing at the questioned paternity of Piso's alter ego creation. 3. Tacitus' caustic description of Marcus Antonius Primus remind one of Piso. 4. The idea to call Piso "Antonius Primus" --was his own. It was Piso himself in his Jewish War IV.495 who first detailed Antonius Primus' campaign for Vespasian against Vitellius. Also Josephus inserts "Antonius" (himself!) as a centurion who dies at the capture of Jotapata (Jewish War III.333). 5. Marcus Antonius Primus' colleague in the campaign against Vitellius is named Arrius Varus (Tacitus, Histories III.6). This is yet another alter ego of Piso himself. In the mid-50's (C.E.), while in his late teens, young Piso was a prefect of a cohort of legionnaires in the campaign against Vologeses, King of Armenia--serving there (in Tacitus, Annals XIII.9) under the name of Arrius Varus. 6. His exploits as General Marcus Antonius Primus account for his absence from Judaea in the years 67-69, between his defeat as Cestius Gallus and his reappearing to assist Titus as the siege of Jerusalem in 70. Rather than being Vespasian's prisoner in chains, he was his general, advancing on Rome in his behalf. (o) Tacitus, Histories, III.82-86. Also "the supreme authority was exercised by Antonius Primus" (Tacitus, Histories, IV.2). http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/piso.htm -
50 Jewish Messiahs & Who Invented Jesus?
SonOfTheGods replied to SonOfTheGods's topic in The Rabbit Hole
The Formation of the New Testament Canon (2000) I. Early Development II. Ambiguous Pre-Canonical References III. Clear Pre-Canonical References IV. The Need to Canonize V. The Gnostics Make the First Move VI. The Old Testament Canon VII. Other Canons VIII. Justin Martyr IX. Tatian and the Four Gospel Tradition X. Theophilus and Serapion XI. Dionysius, Athenagoras and Irenaeus XII. Pantaenus and Clement: the Seminary at Alexandria XIII. The Muratorian Canon XIV. Origen: the Seminary at Caesarea XV. Tertullian, Cyprian, and the Century of Chaos XVI. Eusebius, the First History of the Church, and the Earliest Complete Bibles XVII. Cyril of Jerusalem, Athanasius of Alexandria, and the Eastern Synods XVIII. The Eastern Canons XIX. The Western Canons -
50 Jewish Messiahs & Who Invented Jesus?
SonOfTheGods replied to SonOfTheGods's topic in The Rabbit Hole
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50 Jewish Messiahs & Who Invented Jesus?
SonOfTheGods replied to SonOfTheGods's topic in The Rabbit Hole
List of messiah claimants 1 Jewish messiah claimants 2 Christian messiah claimants 3 Muslim messiah claimants 4 Other/combination messiah claimants 5 See also 6 References -
50 Jewish Messiahs & Who Invented Jesus?
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Melchizedek is introduced as the king of Salem, and priest of El Elyon ("God most high"). Genesis 14:18-20 Abram/Abraham makes a covenant with El Elyon, who is NOT Yahweh. In Christianity, according to the Letter to the Hebrews, Jesus Christ is identified as a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek, and so Jesus assumes the role of High Priest once and for all. jeruSALEM So, according to the myth, Jesus is the son of a Canaanite diety. Some scholars provide a theophoric association on the latter part of the name, Ṣedeq ("righteousness") as an epithet of a Canaanite god, translating to "Sedeq is my king/lord" Therefore, jesus would be a Pagan diety, relating to the Canaanite pantheon. So, in Hermetiic Mysticism, this is one of the Biggest secrets. Below are some scriptures that present my case, further. ___________ "El has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the elohim He holds judgment." Psalm 82:1: "Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength." Psalm 29:1: "For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh," Psalm 89:6: -------------- This is based on the traditional Hebrew text, otherwise known as the Masoretic text (MT). Now look at a much older version of this text that was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and matches the Greek Septuagint text: "When El Elyon gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance." The older text clearly shows that El Elyon is the father of all the gods, and Yahweh is simply one of his sons. El Elyon divides up the various nations and allocates a portion to Yahweh. The later version of the text simply merged these two gods into a single being. ----------------- There are other clues that there were originally multiple gods, take Psalm 82 for example, where Yahweh stands in the council of the gods. 1. Psalm of Asaph. God stands in the council of the gods; he judges among the gods. 2. How long will you judge unjustly, and show preference to the wicked? Selah. 3. Judge the poor and the orphans; do righteousness to the afflicted and dispossessed. 4. Deliver the poor and oppressed; save them from the hand of the evil. 5. They do not know and they have no understanding; they walk about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6. I said, “You are gods, and children of Elyon, every one of you.” 7. But you will die like mortals, and fall like one of the princes. 8. Rise up, O God, and judge the earth, for you have inherited all the nations.
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if reincarnation is real do certain races require more
SonOfTheGods replied to mantis's topic in General Discussion
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if reincarnation is real do certain races require more
SonOfTheGods replied to mantis's topic in General Discussion
Maybe adjust your thinking a little. Maybe different races are different Species, created for different purposes. The Canine family, have working dogs, hunting breeds, toy breeds,etc Each group with a specific design to perform a certain function or duty. A Rottweiler is a good working breed, but the Breed is also not very social around others unless taught otherwise. So by the Breed's nature, if not socialised, it can be destructive, most of the times (there is always a small amount that are not) If I put a harnass on a Chihuahua, and it can not pull it, I would hesitate to say this is a worthless dog. This breed is different and useful for something else. Lions eat Gazelles. Does Nature like Lions more? Were Gazelles incarnated just to be lion's food? Gazelles low on the Karmic scale? Maybe each Race was designed, with similar intentions - by what some call gods, or some call Alien. Research Theosophy Sumerian Writings I'm going to end it here -
stimulating the "nerve in the center of the body" through touch
SonOfTheGods replied to mike 134's topic in General Discussion
There's meridians running all over the body. Trigger points that seem non-connected, are. -
Have Some Heavy Duty Magickians Working With The "Old Ones"
SonOfTheGods replied to SonOfTheGods's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
Maybe the side effects of it, Earth changes, gravitational pull, etc -
Franz Bardon's system
SonOfTheGods replied to WillingToListen's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
It was never finished, Bardon died. -
Have Some Heavy Duty Magickians Working With The "Old Ones"
SonOfTheGods replied to SonOfTheGods's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion
No, but I think a smaller solar system could be traveling with it, that might be -
stimulating the "nerve in the center of the body" through touch
SonOfTheGods replied to mike 134's topic in General Discussion
Quote Madonna has told in an interview to the SPIN magazine (May 1985 issue),"When I stick my finger in my belly button, I feel a nerve in the center of my body shoot up my spine". That wasn't her belly button... -
The Lords Prayer - Meaning lost in translation...?
SonOfTheGods replied to Jeff's topic in General Discussion
I also enjoyed it. Peace -
The Lords Prayer - Meaning lost in translation...?
SonOfTheGods replied to Jeff's topic in General Discussion
Nope, wrong again, Jeff Fear [N] Of some ten Hebrew nouns and eight verbs that are regularly translated "fear, " "to fear, " "to be afraid, " and the like, only one of each is commonly used in the Old Testament and they both spring from the root yr (the noun being yira [h'a.rIy] or mora [a'r/m] and the verb yare [aer"y]). The New Testament employs phobos and phobeo almost exclusively as noun and verb, respectively, and these are the terms consistently used by the Septuagint to translate Hebrew yira [h'a.rIy] or mora [a'r/m] and yare [aer"y]. The fundamental and original idea expressed by these terms covers a semantic range from mild easiness to stark terror, depending on the object of the fear and the circumstances surrounding the experience. There is no separate Hebrew of Greek lexeme describing fear of God so presumably such fear was from earliest times, the same kind of reaction as could be elicited from any encounter with a surprising, unusual, or threatening entity http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/fear.html -
The Lords Prayer - Meaning lost in translation...?
SonOfTheGods replied to Jeff's topic in General Discussion
If someone uses a parable on facebook that says they were going to kill someone, they would go to prison. You can not cherry pick verses out of the bible. If jesus was so holy and pious, full of zen, he should use less violent parables. Jesus is just like his daddy yahweh, a blood thirsty demon. Don't get mad, bro - you wanted me to engage you "As the OP, I give you full athority to give the thread your best shot. What do you have to say? Regards, Jeff" -
The Lords Prayer - Meaning lost in translation...?
SonOfTheGods replied to Jeff's topic in General Discussion
Also, Jeff, please dispute my original post too Thank you -
The Lords Prayer - Meaning lost in translation...?
SonOfTheGods replied to Jeff's topic in General Discussion
All Abrahamic religions treat women like scum. Why is that? ------------ "But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Jesus) Mat 5:22 "You fools!" (Jesus) Luke 11:40 "You blind fools!" (Jesus) Mat 23:17 "How foolish you are" (Jesus) Luke 24:25 "But God said to him, 'You fool!' " (Jesus) Luke 12:20 "You foolish Galatians!" (St. Paul) Galatians 3:1 "You foolish man" James 2:20 Glad jesus was not my teacher -
The Lords Prayer - Meaning lost in translation...?
SonOfTheGods replied to Jeff's topic in General Discussion
No it doesn't. Only to those who want to bend meanings to say what they want it to say. here's an example: We should fear God (Matthew 10:28) We should love God (Matthew 22:37) There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18) -
The Lords Prayer - Meaning lost in translation...?
SonOfTheGods replied to Jeff's topic in General Discussion
here's some more sayings of jesus: But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me. Luke 19:27 The Old Testament still stands: “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) -
The Lords Prayer - Meaning lost in translation...?
SonOfTheGods replied to Jeff's topic in General Discussion
Jesus still called her a dog, despite what he said later on, which was not essential to my point. Call a female a dog and later on apologise, - let me know how it goes for you good luck on your path too -
The Lords Prayer - Meaning lost in translation...?
SonOfTheGods replied to Jeff's topic in General Discussion
That's why I originally said I would remain quiet, rather than cause problems here -
The Lords Prayer - Meaning lost in translation...?
SonOfTheGods replied to Jeff's topic in General Discussion
Gospel of Thomas isn't canon jesus is yahweh junior, so old testament applies