Yae

So where is this master you speak of? It doesn't get that good. Lineages are all red tape and tolls. That's why my master told me to learn it in books. You seem scared or something. Maybe due to inexperience. To me this is just a negligible risk rearrangement of things I've already done for years with instructors from lineages. The classic books left us everything we need, that's why they wrote them. 7+ classic famous books saying the exact same thing is good for me. I've cracked the code and now it all makes sense. I already posted 4 of them and there are more I think if those are wrong then Taoism itself is wrong

Have you ended the leakage? If not you can stop your trashy attitude. Your metaphors aren't even coherent. It's not that the methods are difficult, it's that no one knows them. The methods are intrinsically simple.

Go to a door in your living area and open it and then close it. Did you understand that? It's the same thing. Books aren't necessarily inadequate. It simply takes correct explanation. It's not like telling a blind person what a sunrise looks like (assuming they also don't have the ability to imagine color). Everyone has a body so these methods are relatable. Besides, a book has its benefits. No one can gatekeep the knowledge behind a crippling paywall recurring for years just because they can because you want to know the methods and potentially never even teach you them and blame it on you, and because you decided that you would only learn it from a real person considered qualified by some other people you don't know. For the methods to be able to be written in a few words refined as much as possible while leaving nothing out, I think that's as good as it gets.

It's the same in every major text 💀. This is from the Mirror For Compounding the Medicine and famous commentary (Ruyao Jing Zhujie): It says from the moment you set to practice collect Lead in Water, so I'm not sure if it's saying to skip the first stage and start with the second when you collect the ingredient, or if it means preheaven qi by lead, being collected in the LDT. Then it says "As soon as you meet the movement of the Yang principle..." "you should immediately collect it." Same as my original quotes, "When it moves, steal it." It also quotes Zhang Boduan saying the same thing, maybe from the Wuzhen Pian, not sure yet. Ah this is so useful. So you don't have to put Metal in the cauldron when you collect it apparently. You just move it (yuanjing energy) along the inverted course using breath and intention and it coagulates on its own when ready. I was wondering about that. I thought you collect it, put it in the cauldron, then circulate the MCO, but I wasn't sure about if the yuanjing was both in the cauldron and circulating or what? Actually I still have conflicting information from different books I think, but I'm inclined to trust this one. Fire is breath, Metal now definitely means the collected yuanjing This means the metal hidden within water, the yuanjing hidden within the male sexual fluid which was collected when the yang principle (it) moved from the kidneys to the male genitals And if course this is discussing the male method, the female method is discussed less often I guess.

Yes and I saw a unicorn in the sky. Anything else? Yuxianpai starts by opening specific channels. It may be the most perfect form of qigong currently popular. This book skips qigong. It says that doing energy work goes against the way of nature. The qi field is a natural occurence and manipulating it is likely to lead to deviations. Instead it simply supplies qi to the body through the energy centers through breathing into the dan tiens, and the qi fills all of the organ channels and others naturally. Similar to prolonged intensive post standing, which I have learned does have valid sitting and walking versions.

Being ignorant and denying things is not a valid argument. You've said nothing of any substance.

Have fun doing things that take less than 100 days while I'm at it.

A logical person would do more than that for less reward than ultimate universal freedom following the path agreed on by the kings of all religions.

What nonsense is that 😂 I said I have experience in multiple schools, not that each of them does exactly what this books says. Next question Yes tree trunks often have branches. Is there any point to showing us you know the names of tree branches?

Yes, that's the goal of Internal Alchemy, the basics should be pretty easily available online, maybe on the wiki for internal alchemy, or goldenelixir.com. But, some sources seems to say you've already created the yang spirit after 10 months, or part of the time after that and the "9 years [or so] facing the wall" are to transmute the physical body so you don't have to "cast off the husk" by dying? Something like that. But really it's a lot to explain here unless you guys want me to try, so I recommend reading the book and also collecting other texts mentioned in it like the Cantong Qi, Wuzhen Pian, Huiming Jing etc.

The author did say that he ommitted some details that the reader would have to find themselves. Maybe DM me if you are willing to cooperate in studying texts and refining our understanding as much as possible. Maybe we could form a group in some instant messaging medium. Or potentially we could just use this thread or another one here. Also if it wasn't obvious my explanation of the methods was not as exact as in the book.

Welcome 👋 Agreed this is an amazing resource

Someone just being a neigong teacher doesn't make them right. Even in the neidan world there is debate between claimed Masters. This is not just one book. It is the result of studying the most trusted textual sources in neidan. Your vague negativity is toxic and useless. Who is Rudi? Have you or them reached the stage of ending the leakage?

Hi I am requesting a name change to "Yae" please.

Also I have quite a lot of experience with the Yu Xian Pai and less so in the Wu Liu Pai lineages, and in other schools, and these methods seem rather relatable such that I don't see much need for caution. Meditating on the LDT and circulating the MCO are pretty normal. And the added part of stealing the ingredient is backed by some of the biggest Taoist texts in existence, assuming the translation and interpretation are right. It may exist in higher levels of the lineages I have experience in, I just haven't gotten there in them yet to see, although I couldn't tell about it if I had

I'm trying stage 1 and 2. Open to discuss others' opinions. But I think it's awesome that the Huiming Jing and Cantong Qi seem to corroborate its methods, although potentially that is open to debate too From stage 1 I can clearly feel sensations during the meditation. Stage 2 uhh I feel something but have to prolong it for more days to see what happens. Also the Secret of the Golden Flower says something about how Laying the Foundation is important because "when Yang moves" it needs to happen spontaneously due to a certain level of internal qi development. But that book is channeled anyway so I don't know if it's true or not. And besides Yang seems to move in the morning spontaneously anyway 💀

The female method is only different for stage 1 and 2. For stage one, you focus on the Milk Creek between the uhh, female chest parts, instead of the lower dan tien. Again, I think the laying the foundation seems kind of unnecessary. Stage 2, umm you focus on the spirit and steady your breathing and focus on the Energy Cavern between the female chest parts. Next, cross over your hands and massage the chest parts gently 20 times as you breathe up gently from the lower dan tien 36 times. Continuing with the hands on the female chest parts, turn your vision inward and again steady the breath. "After doing this for a prolonged period, perfect energy will naturally arrive. Opening and closing it in a steady rhythm, nurture it to create a large region as big as the cities Gen and E(Chinese characters included in the book text). Spirit and energy will be full and complete, and perfect yang naturally comes to dominate. Menstruation will spontaneously cease, the [female chest parts] will retract to look like a man's: this is called "decapitating the red dragon". Proceeding like this for a long time, there will be no need to hold the [female chest part] or inhale with intention. Just concentrate the spirit in the Energy Cavern, revert the light and focus your vision inward. This is called 'opening the gate of the Mysterious Female.' Eventually, you will become aware of a tiny dot of numinous light, neither outside nor inside, flowing from the lower elixir field [lower dan tien] up to the Scarlet Palace [heart] and the Niwan (upper dan tien), then again descending through the Twelve-storied Tower [windpipe] and into the golden womb and spirit chamber. Reverting the light and concentrating the spirit, this perfect energy is made to settle into the cauldron of the Central Palace--none other than the Spirit Chamber, Mysterious Female, and Womb of Immortality. It signals the dropping of the tiny dot into the Yellow Court. Ten months after this, the great work is complete, and the yang spirit will emerge, ready to be refined to emptiness. From here on in, the cultivation of perfection is the same as for men. There are no more differences between the sexes. For women who are post-menopausal and no longer menstruate, the practice is different. It begins with various techniques to recover the menses, including focused breathing on the lower elixir field (LDT), [female chest parts] massages, and herbal supplements. Once menstruation has been reestablished, they can proceed as described."

Hello Everyone, I'm a student in the online classes of the Dao De Center in Russia, practicing the Yu Xian Pai and Wu Liu Pai methods. I'm an official disciple in the Yu Xian Pai lineage and have practiced for almost 3 years. I'm an instructor for the beginning level practice of the school, called Dao Gong. Dao Gong is similar to Qi Gong in that it works with the body and energy channels simultaneously in order to achieve a balanced energetic state in the body. The main difference from Qi Gong is that the methods are designed to prepare the practitioner for Taoist Alchemical practices. Dao Gong was created by the Head of the Dao De Center using all of his deep knowledge of Alchemy from the Wu Liu Pai and Yu Xian Pai Schools and also Martial Arts and Medicine Schools of China. Its creation was supervised by the Patriarch of the Wu-Liu Pai lineage. I am the only instructor in the United States, so I'm in a unique position where I can offer online classes to anyone in the US due to having a similar timezone. On that note, Michael Fedorov (opendao), my Master, Alexey Khokhlov, as well as my instructor Arkady Shadursky, have been active on The Dao Bums for some time and I'm sure many of you have heard about the Dao De Center. So, if anyone in the US is interested in experiencing the methods for themselves, now is the time to start. I sure hope to hear from you soon. If you have any questions please write a comment and I'll be sure to answer.

Is that Dr. Seuss Sounds like you searched literally everything in existence on the Earth, and proved that there was nothing interesting whatsoever, and then gave up.

I just found this post from the teacher/master in our online classes. Apparently he's willing to answer your questions, Taoist Texts, and anyone else's. http://www.thedaobums.com/topic/39079-introduction-aakhokhlov-and-taoist-center-dao-de/

Opendao has used this before, the point being that if you teach the wrong student the practices, then the abilities gained could be used destructively.

It's okay. The tools that I use to pursue truth have led me here. If I fail it will be a necessary lesson. If I don't, sucks for the naysayers :D :D

What if Taoist Texts is just a devil's advocate trying to egg people on so they'll write more interesting useful information? Lol. He seems very useful for that.

I'm still practicing and haven't been sick since I started. I've had many positive feelings from practicing though, some of them quite incredible. I'm skeptical, of course I am. The claims are insane, immortality. But the people from this school, their rational personalities, the teacher's astounding intuitive ability to appeal to the needs of each student, the steadiness and calm focus possessed by exactly all of them (I went to a seminar in St. Petersburg), the spontaneous movement practice, and again the other feelings; I can't help but stay with it to see where it all leads. Many tidbits of information about different topics (food, relationships, stress, history) have come up, it just all sounds so right. The most validating or invalidating thing I can think of is of course to wait until a visit to or from an immortal is scheduled again, and to go see them. I went to see the Hugging Saint once, got a hug, sat through the show. It sucked. I didn't feel a thing. I think she ony affects people who are crazy lol. -who are really sensitive to suggestion and.. don't question what they're told? If the immortal is anything like that I'll become instantly disinterested. Unless they look 29 and show me a birth certificate from 100 years ago, though the certificate could be fake, so then I'm not sure what I would do. Yeah but you jump to conclusions way too fast. Confirmation bias out the a**.

Hey peeps, I'm wondering if there's anyone here who feels the way I do. I've heard of the term "spiritual seeker" but haven't really gotten in touch with others or haven't noticed. Everything feels unfulfilling. Often nice, or well meaning, but unfilfilling. For the longest time I've just wanted to figure s*** out, you know? What is going on? I'm into the Michael Teachings, LSS it talks about soul ages. I read this link and was like hell yeah that's me! It describes old souls as disenchanted with the material world and looking for something more, and basically spending all of the small amount of energy they have on spiritual goals. http://www.michaelteachings.com/old_soul.html "Looking for something more" brought me through interests in lucid dreaming, astral travel, third eye, drugs (but they always made me feel crappy and I'm an idealist so I figured they're probably not a good honest approach to truth seeking/spirituality... maybe ayahuasca.. maybe), then found Drew Hempel's posts about SFQ & Chunyi Lin. Chunyi mentioned at the Lv 3 class that he's been to many worlds and seen many things in his meditations. And I really don't think he meant fast-fading imaginings. I was like yyyeeeeeessssss. But I still can't tell if my falling off the practice wagon after 100 days then finding Wu Liu Pai/Yu Xian Pai posts by opendao, alchemist, Antares, and others was due to my escapist tendencies or a valid step on the path. Probably both. But those ("true", with complete xing and ming methods) Neidan practices have a stage in cultivation, the second to last one, I think it's call Spirit Immortal, where you birth your yang spirit body, or maybe already did in the last stage, I forget, but you begin journeying across the universe or something, doing spiritual deeds or something (and potentially creating many more bodies to learn and do exponentially more), and this is the stage when "all the truths of the universe are revealed to you". That's not a direct quote from anything. It seems like Chunyi Lin has experienced things I would love to, and it seems like he's even willing to teach these things to his late-stage students. He also seems happy and fulfilled. Though I have been quite swayed by the Neidan students' words... And I've grown unsure of Master Lin's mastery when compared to the promise of a strong ancient lineage that seems to have qualms about his methods. I'm still waiting on a response concerning his experience with/knowledge of preheaven energy work. Also I'm starting to wonder about my path. Am I destined to continue chasing greener pastures, grazing happily for a short while before moving somewhere else, in a fruitless cycle? I guess that's up to me, sort of. But I guess what I would really want as a seeker would be a cultivation practice that is enjoyable and fulfilling in its own right, where I'm just like THIS, YES. I guess I still haven't accepted the idea of doing something that's not-so-fun and expecting it to lead to something incredible. But (true) Neidan does sound compelling because it's considered a science. I mean qigong has been thought of that way too, but (true) neidan sounds more like one to me. Mainly in the sense that there are all sorts of variables that have to be considered throughout the evolving practice and it's not a one-size-fits-all program. It sounds like something my mind could actually sink its teeth into, hopefully. If so I think I could actually stay interested and enjoy it. It seems like keeping up with different inspiring and interesting texts would be useful to keep a person going, and there's apparently a lot to read from these schools especially if I can pick up some Chinese. I also really want to get into a school so I can find out how many people have actually reached these high levels of attainment.