Yae

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  1. I read something about how ming practice improves xing practice by (I don't remember this part clearly-) creating an energetic state within the body that facilitates a constant awareness of the truths that the textual etc study of xing seeks to clarify. ('xing can be understood through books, ming can not') Qigong Masters Chunyi Lin & Jim Nance have spoken about how important it is to always, always try to be as loving as you can possibly be in any given situation. The meaning of that could take on a lot of dimensions; giving guidance to a student, exercising to take care of yourself, and even not trying too hard to be loving because that could stress you out... Even Jim Nance still has trouble maintaining the pure loving and accepting mental state as often as he'd like to. I wonder, would the effect of ming practice on the xing state transform this difficulty as well? And if so, how could any practice seeking to master xing ever ignore ming?
  2. Neidan vs Qigong

    Maybe the Earth and Golden Dragon are metaphors for Tao in this scheme. That brings me to another question, how exactly are Tao and yuanshen related? edit: Is yuanshen analogous to the primordial yang itself?
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    Is it fair to say that using postcelestial methods for precelestial aims is like trying to make an apple out of an apple pie? I was just thinking that since houtian is a product of xiantian, then in a way xiantian could be called a more refined form of houtian. But even if that's true maybe it's just too ridiculous to try to make an apple from an apple pie. But I wouldn't know how to prove that consciousness, ZOOM's "light" isn't already a precelestial energy. But if Neidan calls consciousness simply a product (that must be transformed), well I trust Neidan over my own mental meanderings.
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    ZOOM, I would argue that your interpretation of the linked comment is very selective reading. For one thing: "Opposite direction" is not downplaying the statement, it's directly contradicting it. Hm, I'm not sure what "ming raises" really means but I think it doesn't mean replenishing. What do you think it means?
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    *sigh* I'm happy to be identified. I didn't want to spam this thread.
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    Hopefully ZOOM can supply the Chinese character. No this is the method. Here's the exact explanation I got (I'm sure he's ok with me sharing this): "Your awareness is the light. You have to concentrate your awareness inwards on the upper tantien in your head, or more exactly: http://thetaobums.co...ssion/?p=606916 You have to achieve deep concentration, so you are only aware of that point in your head and completely unaware of everything else, so the practice has a significant effect."
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    Just for ZOOM's sake: I think the difference between GF and TY is TY builds up jing using horse stance (or was that just Innersound's added idea or* "guidance from a teacher"...?). GF thinks it's ok/better to skip that. It sounds like pure qigong to me. *of***
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    The one key method is "turning the light around". ZOOM just explained to me that light= awareness, and that turning the light around = focusing your awareness inwards on the upper tantien in your head.
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    I don't get why you trust the word of Thomas Cleary over Liu Yiming?
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    I can't find it . In case it rings bells for anyone, the yinshen was initially birthed in the astral, and then somehow was filled with yuan___ to become the yangshen.
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    10 points to Gryffindor for assuming something is wrong because you don't understand it. Immortal "Golden dragon body", "Rainbow body", or "yang spirit body", we're not dealing with kittens and daisies here, nor fleeting magnetic sensations like in tai chi. It's a powerful energy. ZOOM has written about his experience with an internal energy that shook him and the metal bench beneath him violently.
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    They're in China, and apparently they sometimes visit in Russia, where there's a lot of Wu Liu Pai and Yu Xian Pai schools. Sorry it's in Russia. But for immortals maybe it's not a bad deal.
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    Hm, what he said was "It's like giving a shotgun to a child". I think that makes pretty clear sense. But would you teach a mass murderer such things if you were in that position?
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    xD That is so exciting. It's exactly what I've been looking for since middleschool. An answer to a simple "wait, wtf is going on?" Thanks for reposting it ralis, even next to a negative opinion. ZOOM, what is the nature of your loyalty to Golden Flower, and the xing-only method? And what makes you think you can disprove the teachings of an ancient lineage that is willing to show you immortals in the flesh if you're willing to trust them enough to go see them? ralis, the methodology is a secret. You already read that and just mentioned it yourself. the secrets your mentioned are the methods. From what's been explained so far as far as I know, neidan methods can appear to resemble things like qigong but are completely different. Timing is significant, constancy is significant, and apparently opening and closing the practices properly is significant. And the reason why they're secret is because they work, and if someone doesn't have a "clean heart" and learns them it apparently could be dangerous for them and others. So you need a teacher to guide you on a personal level, because you are a unique flower with unique needs .
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    Yin and Yang are of the Tao, not the other way around. EDIT: "It is out of yinyang" means it is out of separation when in the unified state of Tao. Your statements aren't necessarily conflicting, but when yin and yang are merged they're not really yin and yang anymore. My opinion.
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    Mhm: "[MEntity] The list of human Infinite Soul Manifestations would be: [MEntity] With approximate time frames - Ti'AT (female - 4,000,000 BCE), Khro'Te (male child - 2,000,000 BCE), Ker (female - 1,000,000 BCE), Sonad, Kin, Serep (brothers - 700,000 BCE), Tinet, TenTen, Tia (sisters - 500,000 BCE), Shia (female - 150,000 BCE), Kendre (female - 75,000 BCE), "Ra" (male - 6,000 BCE), "Krishna" (6,000 BCE) "Lilith" (female - 4,000 BCE), Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE), "Buddha" (male - 500 BCE), "Christ" (male - 5 BCE). " https://www.truthloveenergy.com/explore/blogs/841/22/list-of-infinite-souls
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    In regard to offshoot qigong and new agers in general (from Cultivating Perfection: Mysticism and Self-Transformation in early Quan Zhen (pp80-1)): Experiences and phenomena defined as “mystical” do not occur and cannot be understood outside of a given religious tradition.34 34 This perspective, of course, contradicts claims by members of New Age discourse communities, who believe that they have access to some trans-historical, perennial, and “ultimately real” reality. However, there are equally complex cultural and sociological factors at work in this type of account as well. For one relevant study on the historical and intellectual background of New Age movements see Hanegraaff 1996. Definition of mysticism from same book: Sounds very preheaven.* Interestingly, a channeled teaching called the Michael Teachings lists Jesus, Laozi, Buddha, Ra, Krishna, Lilith (Hebrew), and 7 others as those who for a part of their lives were bodily hosts of the Infinite Soul, which is considered an incarnation of the Tao. Anyway. Qigong does not interact with the mystical. True Neidan from the original teachings of Laozi does. I'm thinking that maybe the only true approaches to this "trans-human reality" (preheaven) have to have come from these incarnations of Tao, and that others would have no way to access them. Not that the all the other incarnations must have passed on teachings of immortality, I can't speculate much there. Though Buddha is apparently another. *Regarding my use of "preheaven", I hope I'm not bastardizing the term. If I used it in an overly misleading way let me know and I'll edit the entry.
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    Sorry dude I don't know what to say about that. "Cool story bro." So the methods are long gone. So...
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    Good sir, may I request some evidence? And from where does this understanding come?
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    Lol nope, my bad.
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    Why do you think that method is the type he's talking about? Didn't you see him work to disprove that to Innersound for days?
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    What? No.
  23. Neidan vs Qigong

    "All of them work and share the same principles".
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    opendao said this:
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    Hmm, I have read about a method where a practitioner births a yin spirit body outside his/her own body from the start (no spirit body is ever birthed from the head in this case) and somehow it can then be turned into a yang spirit body. But I also read that this method is very challenging and maybe dangerous. I'll see if I can find which source it was from - _ -