Isimsiz Biri

In the sense that Abrahamic religions define Satan, I agree, there is no such figure in Daoism. Please refer to Di Yu and Yaoguai links I posted above, with Buddhist effect there is a hell and demon concept in Chinese culture.

For the interested parties, The name of the city mentioned in my above post is Konya Urgench or Kunya Urgench. It is in Turkmenistan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunya_Urgench The city was the capital of Khorezm Empire. The river is Amu-Darya. Excerpt from the above given link: Formerly situated on the Amu-Darya River, Old Ürgenç was one of the greatest cities on the Silk Road. Its foundation date is uncertain, but the extant ruins of the Kyrkmolla fortress have been dated (rather ambitiously) to the Achaemenid period.[1] The 12th and early 13th centuries were the golden age of Ürgenç, it became the capital of Khorezm Empire as "Gürgench" and it surpassed in population and fame all other Central Asian cities barring Bukhara.[1] In 1221, Genghis Khan razed it to the ground in one of the bloodiest massacres in human history.

Me too. Unbelievable. As if that demon Genghis Khan had to kill millions of civilians but he had no other choice? That maniac ordered the people to be butchered. Yet there is someone who can defend him. I am curious if Shanlung can also defend Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.

Exactly. You are so boring. Go and have a drink with your lovely Genghis Khan. Side note for interesting parties, please refer to following link for Yaoguai, Chinese term for demon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoguai one can also refer to following link for Di Yu, hell in Chinese mythology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di_Yu So demons and hell can also be found in Chinese beliefs.

Genghis Khan was a demon of Satan. If you love him. Feel free. Laugh over the skulls he left, it is very funny isn't it?

With this opportunity, I would like to introduce the great Sufi, Attar of Nishapur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attar_of_Nishapur and his monumental work "Conference of Birds" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conference_of_the_Birds Attar was a friend of Rumi's father. When Rumi was teenager, Rumi and Attar met in Nishapur. When the Mongols invaded Central Asia sometime between 1215 and 1220, Baha ud-Din Walad, (father of Rumi) with his whole family and a group of disciples, set out westwards. According to hagiographical account which is not agreed upon by all Rumi scholars, Rumi encountered one of the most famous mystic Persian poets, Attar, in the Iranian city of Nishapur, located in the province of Khorāsān. Attar immediately recognized Rumi's spiritual eminence. He saw the father walking ahead of the son and said, "Here comes a sea followed by an ocean."[this quote needs a citation] He gave the boy his Asrārnāma, a book about the entanglement of the soul in the material world. This meeting had a deep impact on the eighteen-year-old Rumi and later on became the inspiration for his works. Attar reached an age of over 70 and died a violent death in the massacre which the Mongols inflicted on Nishapur in April 1221. This is the same date Qiu Chuji was travelling to see Genghis Khan. Even you bring 1 million Genghis Khans together, they will not be equal to a nail of Attar. The letter of Genghis Khan sent to Qiu Chuji does not prove anything. There are kind words such that Genghis Khan was in hope to get the secret of immortality.

For the Chinese Yuan Dynasty of Kublai Khan, I agree. But in the west it took 200 years to reach that peace and prosperity, simply repairing the destruction.

Dear Shanlung, You may laugh of course. Nobody is stopping you. I understand that Chinese culture absorbed Mongol Empire and and after Genghis Khan his grandson Kublai Khan, grandson of Genghis Khan is also founder of Yuan Dynasty of China. For this reason, you Chinese have respect to Genghis Khan, that also makes sense up to a certain point. What I am telling is Genhis Khan is responsible of killings of so many innocent people, Repeat INNOCENT people, women, children, elderly people, he was such a blood thirsty monster that, if you consider world population of 1210s, obviously much less than worl population of 1930s, he might have even killed a higher percentage of world population compared to Adolf Hitler and/or Joseph Stalin. Genghis Khan ordered the civilians to be butchered. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan China suffered a drastic decline in population.[56] North China (then the most populous part) is thought to have lost about three-quarters of its population. The census of 1195 showed a population of 50 million people in north China [whereas] the first Mongol census of 1235–36 counted only 8.5 million. Admittedly, some of the population decline in Northern China must also be attributed to the large migration to Southern China, but exact figures are hard to find.[57] Within China many people retain the more traditional view that Genghis Khan was a barbarian invader. In the Middle East and Iran, he is almost universally looked on as a destructive and genocidal warlord who caused enormous damage and destruction to the population of these areas.[58] Steven R. Ward wrote that "Overall, the Mongol violence and depredations killed up to three-fourths of the population of the Iranian Plateau, possibly 10 to 15 million people. Some historians have estimated that Iran's population did not again reach its pre-Mongol levels until the mid-20th century."[59] Similarly, in Afghanistan (along with other non-Turkic Muslim countries) he is generally viewed unfavorably though some groups display ambivalence as it is believed that the Hazara of Afghanistan are descendants of a large Mongol garrison stationed therein.[60][61] The invasions of Baghdad, Samarkand, Urgench, Kiev, Vladimir among others caused mass murders, such as when portions of southernKhuzestan were completely destroyed. His descendant Hulagu Khan destroyed much of Iran's northern part and sacked Baghdad although his forces were halted by the Mamluks of Egypt, but Hulagu's descendent Ghazan Khan would return to beat the Egyptian Mamluks right out of Levant, Palestine and even Gaza. According to the works of the Persian historian Rashid-al-Din Hamadani, the Mongols killed more than 70,000 people in Merv and more than 190,000 in Nishapur. In 1237 Batu Khan, a grandson of Genghis Khan, launched an invasion into Kievan Rus'. Over the course of three years, the Mongols destroyed and annihilated all of the major cities of Eastern Europe with the exceptions of Novgorodand Pskov. Giovanni de Plano Carpini, the Pope's envoy to the Mongol Great Khan, traveled through Kiev in February 1246 and wrote: "They [the Mongols] attacked Rus, where they made great havoc, destroying cities and fortresses and slaughtering men; and they laid siege to Kiev, the capital of Rus; after they had besieged the city for a long time, they took it and put the inhabitants to death. When we were journeying through that land we came across countless skulls and bones of dead men lying about on the ground. Kiev had been a large and heavily populated town, but now it has been reduced almost to nothing, for there are at the present time scarce two hundred houses there and the inhabitants are kept in complete slavery." [62] Among the Iranian peoples, Genghis Khan is regarded along with Hulagu and Timur as one of the most despised conquerors in the region.[63][64] Although the famous Mughal Emperors were proud descendants of Genghis Khan and particularly Timur, they clearly distanced themselves from the Mongol atrocities committed against the Khwarizim Shahs, Turks, Persians, the citizens of Baghdad and Damascus, Nishapur, Bukhara and historical figures such as Attar of Nishapur and many other notable Muslims. However, Mughal Emperors directly patronized the legacies of Genghis Khan and Timur; together their names were synonymous with the names of other distinguished personalities particularly among the Muslim populations of South Asia. In much of Russia, Middle East, Korea, China, Ukraine, Poland and Hungary, Genghis Khan and his regime are credited with considerable damage, destruction and loss of population. There is a very detailed description of Mongol Destruction in wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_under_the_Mongol_Empire

New states have been established like Timurids and Ottomans, Turkish states after fighting with remnants of Mongols. The famous library of Baghdad were set to fire in 1258 by grandson of Genghis Khan. Very valuable books of Islam civilization were lost. Words are not enough to describe Mongol destruction.

When Qiu Chuji (Changchun zi) met Genghis Khan at 1221-1222, it was already too late as Genghis Khan had killed so many innocent people already. Qiu Chuji did his best anyway. In Turkmenistan, there is a city conquered by Genghis Khan. The city was under siege but there was a resistance. There was a river running nearby the city. A woman came to Genghis Khan and told him that she knew the way to conquer the city. He asked her to tell it. The woman told that he should construct a barrier on the river such that the water will flood to the city beyond that barrier. The defenders would surrender. Genghis Khan applied this advice and it really worked. All the civilians and defenders had been killed as in other conquers. What happened to that woman? Genghis Khan said "Behead that woman as nobody can be wiser than me!"

Agreed

If you refer to http://thetaobums.com/topic/31706-jim-mcmillan-thread-split/?p=479022 I already copied and pasted thamosh's post there on 19.09.2013 10:38 a.m. mjjbecker could have written his reply there. Instead, he has written his reply here on 19.09.2013 03:30 p.m. and I am the one blamed for trolling! Jekyll&Hyde? I do not think so.

I can offer the Ki Breath technique of Koichi Tohei when you get angry. Simple but effective. http://www.shinichitohei.com/english/specialki_breathing/index.html Also his book "Ki in Daily Life" http://www.shinshintoitsuaikido.org/english/renew/book.html

Guys, this is a place for friends of Jim McMillan to talk about. People who did not agree on things with Jim or people who does not know Jim should not post here and point their fingers on Jim's friends. It is very natural for Jim's friends to post about his illness here The thread has already been split. There are two threads as "Jim Mcmillan thread split" and also "Is Mo Pai level 2 dangerous" in the pit. If anybody wants to say something, he/she can say there. Or, he/she can send a PM too. Instead of doing these, mjjbecker carried the discussions of these two threads here which is not appropriate. Please show respect to Jim's friends within this thread. Do you want to say something? Say it on these two other threads or by PMs but not here. Please! Ohhh, realllyyy? (imitating the face of a stupid owl, copyright More_Pie_Guy)

So you did not bicker with this post but Trash Filter and thamosh bicker? You are a textbook example of hypocrite. Needless to say, you have no respect for Jim McMillan.

I agree that Wing Chun has an internal side. But if you want to see see the internal force, it is Fa Jin. (fā jìn, 發勁) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa_jin Fa jin, fajin, or fa chin (fā jìn, 發勁) is a term used in some Chinese martial arts, particularly the neijia (internal) martial arts, such as Xingyiquan, T'ai chi ch'uan (Taijiquan), Baguazhang andBak Mei but also made famous by the Sao Lim Hood Kar Pai branch practiced by the late masters Abbot Sek Kho Sum and Dato P'ng Chye Kim. It means to issue or discharge power explosively or refining the explosive power, and is not specific to any particular striking method. Jìn (勁), or "power", is often confused by Westerners with the related concept of jīng (精), which literally means "essence." To everyone related with internal martial arts, I strongly recommend Jarek Szymanski's web site http://www.chinafrominside.com/ Especially, one interview is very very important. Interview with Mr. Ma Chuanxu, Liang Style Baguazhang Expert from Beijing and president of The Beijing Baguazhang Research Association One can grasp the true meaning of baguazhang and internal martial arts by reading this monumental interview.

No reply. No point in discussion. Good luck.

Hello to all, I am 44 years old, interested in Zen Buddhism and Taoism. I hope I can find valuable information in this forum, yet I will be happy to share information. Yours Sincerely, Isimsiz Biri

It is definitely interesting and full of surprises.

Basher, Sorry, I did not read your second sentence. Although it is a little bit late, thank you.

I have respect to everybody's opinions although there are ones I disagree 100%. The advantage of Yi Quan for you, is the extensive practice of Zhang Zhuang as the foundation of the art for new comers. The emphasize on Zhang Zhuang makes Yi Quan as the first choice as it helps to gain and preserve health and also starts to develop inner power.

Iblis is the other name of Shaytan (Satan) used in Holy Quran. In Holy Quran, the word "Shaytan" has been used for 88 times, meanwhile the word "Iblis" has been used for 11 times, totally 99 times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam) Satan is a bodiless being. However, it is not a jinn. It had been the top level Archangel before it got cursed and became Shaytan (Satan) Neanderthals were a mankind lived once upon a time. They were genetically different than Homo Sapiens. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal)

It has no relation to Shaolin. It is orginally developed in 20th century in China by legendary Wang Xiangzhai. A Japanese student of Wang Xiangzhai, Kenichi Sawai developed the Japanese version of the art and called it as Taikiken. General Information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiquan Yi Quan http://www.yiquan.info/ http://www.yiquannet.com/en/Index.asp Taikiken http://www.taikiken.org/

Yi Quan or its Japanese version, Taikiken

Ki in Daily Life http://www.amazon.com/Revised-published-Publications-Trading-Paperback/dp/B008Q3QI54/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1379187216&sr=1-5&keywords=ki+in+daily+life KI --A Road That Anyone Can Walk (http://www.amazon.com/--A-Road-That-Anyone-Walk/dp/0870407996/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379187085&sr=8-1&keywords=KI+--A+Road+That+Anyone+Can+Walk) Ki: A Practical Guide for Westerners (http://www.amazon.com/Ki-Practical-Westerners-William-Reed/dp/087040640X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1379187148&sr=1-1&keywords=Ki%3A+A+Practical+Guide+for+Westerners)