Isimsiz Biri

On the contrary, I am suggesting to follow neither your teacher nor my teacher

Dear YMWong, Until now, the only proof that has been used to prove that David has coined these terminology are the words of a guy with a nickname, "tongkosong". This same tongkosong described the external dan made of elementary mercury as a "metal ball bearing". I held that dan with my own hands, it was like an oval shaped stone. You can refer to this link for the approximate shape of that external dan (http://www.roblox.co...tem?id=53635367) Please look at the link to see what a ball bearing looks like (http://en.wikipedia....ki/Ball_bearing) There is no similarity at all. Reevaluate the reliability and precision of this tongkosong again. Now you want me to believe this tongkosong. This is his word against my word. Tongkosong is saying David has coined the terminology, I am saying he has not. I am preferring to believe my words. Sorry. I already replied the claims that "Chang Shifu does not know Lei Shan Dao term" or "Prominent Scholars never heard of it" you may refer to my previous posts. I can not understand why we are stuck to this very minor point. There is a lineage which uses Jin Dan Dao. That is for sure, I have seen undeniable proof with my own eyes. There are lineages which uses of Xia Mian Dao, masters of these schools are real shapeshifters. You can trace the existence of them even in literature. There are lineages who use Yang Shen Dao, masters of these lineages make their Yang Shen to be seen by everybody. (Refer to "Opening the Dragon Gate: The Making of a Modern Taoist Wizard" (http://www.amazon.com/Opening-Dragon-Gate-Making-Modern/dp/0804831858) Wang Liping and his masters are capable of producing a Yang Shen for instance, and David Verdesi did not write this book) These are information I know, some of them from David but some of them independent of David. Yet the sum of all these info is in parallel with great six dao terminology. David is not the only source of information for me. Please do not ask what those other sources are, I can not tell. If you still want to believe that David has coined the terms, believe it. I do not want to spend time on this subject any more. Best Regards,

Dear Allan, My recommendation for you, if you will post something in the 18th page of any thread, please read the previous pages. Previously, I had said: I said numerous times, Neigong training of Mo-Pai and other Lei Shan Dao schools, including David Verdesi's, carry very serious risks for the health of the student. Thus, I would not recommend any body to practice with David Verdesi and/or Mo-Pai. I do not understand why there is always somebody making unnecessary comments about my posts. Is this a general rule or is it related with me only? Dorian Black, Do not worry. I am not your competitor. I am not the commercial advertisement agency of David Verdesi, whereas, you are definitely the commercial advertisement agency of Garry J. Clyman. Definitely, Gary J. Clyman is the greatest Neigong Master on this planet called Earth. (You may use this last sentence in your commercials, I will not charge anything for copyright, do not worry)

Very valuable information. Dear Templetao, I have very limited knowledge about the subject. I have read the "Taoist Master Chuang" (http://www.amazon.co...o/dp/0967794803) in 2006, I do not remember in every detail, but as far as I know, these schools are doing religious activities for funeral, wedding, birth, talismans, fu, common Taoism for short. When we speak six great dao, we are talking about esoteric, inner circle Daoism. Thus, they are irrelevant. If I am wrong, please correct me. So Lei Shan Dao, Miao Tong Dao, Tong Ling Dao, Yang Shen Dao, Jin Dan Dao, Xia Mian Dao are top secret, known by very few people daos. May be, I am just speculating, there are some connections between a school you mentioned above and six daos? God Almighty knows, not myself.

Dear Minkus, Dorian Black is right. This thread is reserved for the teachings of Gary J. Clyman, greatest Neigong Master of this planet called Earth, There is another thread about this subject, "Mo Pai and Immortality" (http://thetaobums.com/topic/18350-mo-pai-and-immortality/) You may follow there. Best Regards,

Dear Aaron, I respect your views because you have written them with Adab (http://www.spiritual...es.php?id=17521) (http://en.wikipedia....iki/Adab_(Islam)) Come to me with Adab, even if you disagree with me, even if you do not like me, or find me whatever you want to be, does not matter, Just state your ideas, views with Adab, you are always welcome. Excellent post although I disagree. Thank you from my heart. Best Regards, P.S. I really like your nickname. I have strong bonds with Prophet Aaron, brother of Prophet Moses.

Dear Sir, I am aware that it was not directed at me personally. I just used your post as excuse to state my general feelings. My post was also directed at you personally.

I do not listen to that type of music. I prefer Sufi music which is best for heart. Especially the voice of the instrument called Ney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ney)

I am not in a position to defend David Verdesi in every aspect. I know that he did not coin these terms. Full Stop. Life long daoist scholars and authors of the best regarded books knew nothing about the existence of Mo-Pai and Zhang Sanfeng was the head master of Mo-Pai and he was level 72 before "Magus of Java" was published. If you went to these scholars and authors before Magus of Java and asked if they ever heard Mo-Pai, they would say they never heard it. Then you would decide there is nothing as Mo-Pai, Mo-Tzu was a philosopher only. They would say Zhang Shangfeng is the founder of Taijiquan in the legends only, So you would think that Zhang Shangfeng was a guy with fa jing and dim mak only. I did not see David after 2007, at that time he did not reach Yin-Yang Gong. I have no further first hand information about this subject. Today, I will never allow anybody with Yin-Yang Gong to give an electric shock to me.

Sir, I am trying to be polite and civil as much as possible. But I am a human being with Nafs, and even my Nafs has certain limitations. If someone disagrees with me, it is fine, he/she may say "I disagree" But this is not the case most of the times.For instance, somebody says what I said is nonsense without any explanation. Then, we are losing the ground for discussion. They may say my idea is nonsense, but with certain reasoning. As a second category, they are accusing me with being emissary of Satan or child rapist etc. When I show reaction, there is a standard excuse: "Oh I did not make a personal insult to you" How nice isn't it? You tell everything you want then you escape? For instance, we are having a very civilized discussion with More Pie Guy about six great dao terminology, and we are not insulting each other, although we think differently. We had a nice conversation with Liminal Luke via PM after famous "Taoism and Homophobia" thread, and although Liminal Luke is saying that he is gay, we had a nice dialogue. If someone approaches me with good intention, believe it or not, he/she is getting twice or three times of that good intention from me. One more thing, I am posting in threads if I have really something to say. I am not posting anything in Kunlun thread, because I have no idea about Kunlun for instance. I am not posting anything about White Skeleton Meditation because I do no know what it is. One can check the number of threads I post, I really post in a few threads.

Thank you Shanlung

I did not derail any thread. In fact, I am posting in very few threads. But if you think that I hijack and derail threads, do not read threads I am posting. There are many other threads out there, go and read them.

Sir, If you refer to "Magus of Java", Chang Shifu did not even accept that he was a Daoist. He said he was the master of a kungfu school. Chang Shifu did not have any relations with Longhushan since Grandmaster Liao left China years ago he met Chang Shifu. Mo-Pai stayed isolated. And as far as we know, Chang Shifu did not or could not find masters like himself in China to develop a mutual exchange of information. Although I asked them, you are not mentioning the names of these prominent scholars. Let me ask you a different question, does any prominent scholar know the existence of Mo-Pai before "Magus of Java" was published? Yes of course, all that prominent top secret scholars knew about Mo-Tzu, but did any one of them know about Mo-Pai, 72 levels, and Zhang Sanfeng had been the level 72 head master of Mo-Pai? Did they? Those prominent scholars know nothing about inner circle Daoism. Thus. you can not show their words as a proof for your claim. Best Regards,

I agree with most of this post. FieryWind uses the word "MAY" in a very good place. If I had written, I would have used "CAN NOT" but I agree with the rest. Thank you.

Dear More Pie Guy, I have to still insist on my knowledge. David Verdesi did not coin the Six Great Dao terminology. (Lei Shan Dao, Miao Tong Dao, Tong Ling Dao, Yang Shen Dao, Jin Dan Dao, Xia Mian Dao) This is secret inner circle terminology, No Western or Chinese Academician will hear about it. Best Regards,

Dear Sir, I am learning to be ..., How do you say in West? Aha, "Cool"

Sir, Are you the former Shanlung, with the website http://shanlung.com/? I am writing this reply assuming that you are Shanlung. Dear Shanlung Shenlung, First of all, you taught me valuable concepts about Chinese Culture. You became my teacher. I am a Muslim. In our tradition, we show respect to our teachers. As far as I know, you have a similar tradition in Chinese culture thanks to Confucius, who was also a Prophet of God Almighty. Besides, I really love your heart which is pure. I stated before, some of the Muslims, some of the Christians, some of the Jews, some of the Buddhists, some of the Daoists, some of the Shintoists, some of the Atheists do follow Satan. But not all of them, fortunately. You are talking about the Self Perfection or Greater Jihad, which is against the Nafs of the person. This is very nice. It is the most important battle of each person. This statement is in contradiction with your last sentence which is "Truth matters; ego is nothing". I have the courage to correct it as: "You can only reach truth if you control your Nafs" I will only reply one of the points you mentioned as a last statement. You are claiming that I am an emissary (representative or agent) of Satan. I am smiling to your claim and with one sentence, it is just the opposite, Sir, I am the foremost enemy of Satan. I am not replying to other things you mentioned. Best Regards, Edited since Shenlung and Shanlung are different persons

Oh really? IGNORED!

Oh it seems Audiohealing (a.k.a. Spine Ejaculator) has nothing more to say about Shamanism. That is nice. Dear Audiohealing, It seems you have an obsession about the asshole of Satan. Perfectly ok for me. You may call your personal Satan and do whatever you wish with its asshole. After all, you have already been a very nice couple. You see, I am not homophobic or heterephobic as others claim for me. Oh, there is one prerequisite for this practice. You have to gather your energy. So you have to stop ejaculating to your spine for at least three consecutive days. You know what they say, "No Pain, No Gain". Go for it, man. If you will ask "Why is it three days?" Let me say in advance, I learnt this top important information from Dorian Black, the tu-di (inner disciple) of Gary J. Clyman, the Greatest Neigong Master on this planet called Earth.

You should get a copyright for it. Also teach it to Gary too.

Why don't you start a new thread and openly teach that practice of 1999? After all, everybody in the forum needs this wonderful experience. Besides, they would not have to take drugs. They would make love with demons explicitly?

With that practice of 1999, you did a wonderful job. Better than drugs.

Please forgive me, which ones are legal, which ones are illegal? I got really curious.