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You are free to disagree completely. You are not free to call me a liar. I do not have to prove anything to you.

This is not the subject here. Besides, I am telling that real Lei Shan Dao neigong is a very risky business, stay away. One must be an inner disciple of the master, that he or she should live with the master such that the master could correct the errors of disciple. Also, there must be no language barrier. Thirdly, this master should be a good man. There are some real masters with real powers but their aim is to gain power in terms of money. So apparently, practicing the fake Kong Jing of Paul Dong is much less risky for you. 1. No master will risk his private life for such thing. 2. If the master is a positive man, he definitely know that if he uses his powers for his nafs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nafs), for his own interest, he will generate a very bad karma 3. If the master is a negative man, he will find other ways of generating money using his powers for sure. Best Regards,

Sorry for the second post.

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Yes, authentic mastery such as:

On the contrary, I think just the opposite. Majority of real and authentic masters are on the negative side. It is not so difficult to reach them if you really want it. But I do not recommend it.

Then explain the difference between Kong Jing and Lin Kong Jing so everybody learns it. We already learnt their meanings from your post that Kong Jing is Empty Force and Lin Kong Jing is Powerful Empty Force. Please give more detailed information about them. How is Kong Jing developed? How is Lin Kong Jing developed? Is Kong Jing a prerequisite of Lin Kong Jing? Which lineages and which schools teach it? What is Paul Dong's lineage? etc etc. etc. You are not in a situation to tell me what to do.

These are Mevlevi order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mevlevi_Order) dervishes known as "Whirling Dervishes" The order was formed by famous Sufi, Rumi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi)

Oh really? Did I say Kong Jing is full force? You do not know the level 1 of Neigong of Lei Shan Dao. Kong Jing is a part of level 1 training. Maths does not deal with numbers, it is a language of scientists. In your post, you already mentioned that "Not in a way where they were knocked down without being touched, but they were made to sway forward and backward from a distance.A few people, my friend included, felt a dense, heavy energy which stopped them from making any aggressive moves towards Mr Mooney." If the guys have just focused on their dantians, they would easily have been able to make aggressive moves toward Mr. Mooney and even been able to beat him. If this is what you are looking for, go after it. But this is not Kong Jing.

I see that in this forum there are many people confusing the concepts. Every real Lei Shan Dao school also has a martial art as well as neigong, internal art. The martial art consists of the physical moves kicks, punchs, elbow strikes, blocks etc. forming the external side of the school. But there is also internal neigong work. Historically, internal and external work has been practiced together just as you see in Chang Sifu's life. However, during the evolution of the schools, some traditions lost the neigong but kept the external side, the martial arts side. Taijiquan was the external side of Zhang Sanfeng school. However, he was level 72 internally. Internal martial arts of today has a very little of the original curriculum of circulating qi however they do not have the forms of collecting qi as in neigong. Fa jing, release of force is also inherited from the days where martial arts and neigong have been practiced together. But it will be a mistake to think that fa jing is Yin-Yang Gong. Interestingly, a similar argument is also valid for Shaolin. In the history, there are real neigong masters in Shaolin School as Daruma was also level 72 but in the history they lost this tradition. Today, Shaolin also has neigong secrets but they only know level 1. I see that Waysun Liao is a taijiquan master but not a real neigong master of Lei Shan Dao.. I may be wrong of course. I do not know him personally but I had this impression.

Awareness of the moment and the surroundings is very vital in Taoism and Zen Buddhism as everybody on this forum would agree. The interesting point is that, also in Sufism, to be aware of the moment and everything plus to be aware that you are always present in God's court, to be that God always sees you and also God is in everything is very very important.

Kong Jing is an ability gained within Neigong training which is supposed to make the disciple gain the ability of Yin-Yang Gong. So Kong Jing is not an independent variable than Yin-Yang Gong as you assume. If you know Maths, similar to solve an equation, please delete "Yin-Yang Gong" in my posts and substitute "Kong Jing" instead. You will see that the result is still the same. Could you please answer my question about the abilities of Paul Dong or anybody else reading and practicing the exercises of his book and gaining the ability of Kong Jing instead of dealing with Yin-Yang Gong/Kong Jing issue?

I will strongly recommend Ki Breath and focusing your mind on One-Point (Dan Tian) Please refer to (http://www.amazon.co.../koichitohei-20) The following excerpt is from (http://www.ki-aikido.../principles.php). The first principle is utmost important. 4 Basic Principles for the unification of Mind and Body These Basic principles form the foundation of the Ki-Aikido Keep One Point Relax Completely Keep weight underside Extend Ki All of us have a wonderful gift from God, such that if we focus our minds on our One-Points, we can control our situation however catastrophic it is.

In my opinion, the greed in the nature of humanity, always looking for more, is the root cause of the problem. In sufism, it is related with Nafs. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nafs) A sufi learns sufism by the struggle against his own nafs. Nafs always tells the egoist and sometimes evil thing to do. If one obeys his/her nafs, she/he will be in real trouble.

I laugh at funny things like Muppet Show. This is not in the same category.

At least they did not have any religion. But the Crusaders, Belgians, Serbs, Sunnis and Shias of Iraq, they do not have this excuse.

I would also like to advise "Ki in Daily Life" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/4889960716/koichitohei-20) and a digital book, "Ki Breathing" (http://www.shinichitohei.com/english/2005/09/ki-breathing--1.html) If you do Ki Breathing and focus your mind on One-Point (Dan Tian) throughout the day, you will feel self confident

Have you seen the author of this book, not on a video but closely that whether he has developed Kong Jing? Or do you know anyone, any person, who has read this book, and who has practiced the exercise of the book only for years and proves this force to everybody? He may even go and win the one million USD from James Randi's challenge. (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html) Do not make me laugh.

As you mentioned, I said "In my opinion". My opinion binds me, you can decide yourself. Fortunately, no. I know much more powerful masters with real Yin-Yang Gong not this cheap trick You are quite right. I think you are also in the same category desiring the quick fix. Could you just show me a person with this "Empty Force - Kong Jing" with long hours of practice? I mentioned in some other threads, but let me repeat here: Without a real master from a real lineage, these kind of things are nothing but a dream. There are some "masters" like Kiai "master" Yanagikuryen (www.youtube.com/watch?v=edKZAFUfO38).These men have a special bond with their disciples. So their disciples really feel that "force". However, an outsider can go and beat the "master" This is not Yin-Yang Gong.

I am very fortunate that I did not face a problem, mainly I did not practice a long enough time, real Lei Shan Dao Neigong. I have seen (more than one) people who had really serious health problems. I can not give details due to privacy.

That specific book is false. But there is real Yin-Yang Gong of Lei Shan Dao schools for sure. Do not doubt it. But be sure that real Yin-Yang Gong is far more attractive to use instead of a gun or a stick. That is why it is so risky. A person with real neigong powers can easily give harm or even kill another person. Furthermore, while practicing real Neigong, a student may face very serious health problems, especially, if she/he is not living together with the master but she/he is thousands of kilometers away. That student may do thousands of wrong things and if the master is not nearby the student to correct these mistakes, bad things can and do happen.

Dear BlueMonk91, You are a good person with a pure heart. To keep your heart pure, clean of rust and debris is utmost important. Your spirit is much more developed than the guys who bullied you. I will strongly advise to start aikido for instance, better Ki-Aikido (http://www.shinshintoitsuaikido.org/english/) or Aikido Yuishinkai (http://www.aikidoyuishinkai.com/)

No positive bodiless being (either a positive spirit or an angel) will do such things as described in the Scott Milligan's website. These are negative bodiless beings and unfortunately, again, this is a text book definition of obsession as defined in spiritism. (http://en.wikipedia....sion_(Spiritism))

In my opinion, the book is a garbage. Even somebody really develops that kind of force, he can obey his ego and use it in a bad way. Too risky.