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Empty force and moving things with the mind is an ability of shen power. Its funny how most dont notice that and think that empty force and moving things with your mind can be done by ldt training alone.

Thx man. I posted this for this reason. That all one needs is authentic practice and dedication. An that some sects have amazing power but all they will ever talk about is realization health awakening and bliss. They do this to keep the power hungry away. But if you have a wise eye and a little tact you may be able to see past this and see the power in this sects. So let me put this out there with enlightenment and realization there comes spiritual power as well they go hand in hand. So dont get fooled by this. Just be an honest seeker looking for spiritual realization.

Pai Lok Nen took out his eyes? Man thats some serious stuff kind of reminds me of this

Yes I understand this. When I first asked my teacher about learning his neidan he said no infact he said no to me twice. Then he said yes and then after that changed his mind and tried to offer me some other training he had. Then one day out of the blue he said yes. When I first came across my teacher after speaking with him I kept seeing his face in my head like he was checking me out. For that whole first year anything sifu needed I did any extra cash I had went to sifu I lived like a bum no hair cuts and all of that stuff. Sometimes its worth the sacrifice. I still have my hat from when I lived liked that. Finding alchemy that is worth giving everything for is something special. When I started what I knew to be real authentic alchemy I just wanted to leave everything behind I could careless about the outer world. When I was in my training at that time I learned to sit and listen and learned things about the people around me that i didnt want to know. Which just pushed me further into my seclusive mode. With the right practice and hard work results came. I remember I was at walmart waiting for a friend at the register. I focused my mind to see if I could sense and see the people in the store from with in my mind. The slowly I started to see the people from all over the store in electronics furniture and aisles and departments from all over the store. So there was cool stuff like that and other things.

Well id say yes that taoists are inclusive when it comes to exploring and researching the phenomenon of the natural law and forces. But Taoists can be exclusive with learning or teaching alchemic practices that come from outside their sect. Part of the exclusivity could be due to politics. Not to get side tracked but im talking about acheiving a high spiritual attainment in ones own alchemic training.

Mixing systems seems to have more of the spirit of cleverness than the spirit of true wisdom. Your heart is the heart of your body. Sometimes being clever isnt honest and sometimes being honest isnt clever. Being sincere is what matters. Sincerity of the heart shields and redeems you. Avoid cleverness......for it is the opposite of truth for it is deception masked by self righteousness.

My point is how can you mix to different types of alchemy practice at the same time? And if your current alchemy is deep authentic valid and leads to high attainment why would you waste your time with another system Yes there is bruce and famous alchemists in the past who have mixed stuff to create something new. But let me offer these points. Everyone is not bruce lee he was a rare talent. To bank on you or others doing the same isnt to secure...everyone isnt a genius in thier field.... Secondly bruce and the others studied one system for years. Finally alchemy isnt the same as martial arts some energies and some types of alchemy are not compatible. To mix systems just because you think your system is lacking is just ignorant. Not every system develops things at the same time. The spiritual attainment in your school or sect could be very powerful more powerful than what you ever thought possible. Some things are reserved for the indoor the most sincere hard working students. And masters do put them thru various tests. Ive had friends give up on authentic alchemy just to go back to being a seeker and still to this day attained nothing...... It happens.

Yeah you dont want to be a jack of all trades but master of none type of practitioner.

Interesting...

I agree at some point you have to to take a step and leap.

Thx and same to you.

Well ill tell you more about my exp and then maybe you will see where im coming from. I head sifu talk about the Jinshen(golden spirit) and buddha belly(internal power generated at the ldt.(sifu always uses terms that others dont) Anywho I got an empowerment from sifu. Sifu told me to get up at 6am to do a particular med. So i got up at 6am did the med and went back to bed. During my sleep I had a dream that i was in my apt and sifu was there. He touched my forehead and all of a sudden a felt this electric energy going thru building and somehow it felt a little golden(best way i can describe it). Then suddenly everything went black and I saw the indigo glow of my third eye and threw the indigo glow I say i grassy field and then I was standing in that field. I heard the masters voice and he said "this the empowerment they would give to the monks at shaolin" and I looked behind me and I seen the shaolin temple. Then I was back in my apt sifu told me i should dress and eat better and then I woke up. I immediately called sifu told him about what happened and all he said was "How did you like it?" My jaw hit the floor. That was one exp. One time i was on the phone talking to someone and i said some good things about sifu and then he beeped in on the other line and said "I like what you just said about me." Another time I was talking to someone on the phone who belonged to another sect and during the phone at sporadic momments i kept seeing sifu's face in my head. Then I just told the person i was talking to that whatever they were doing just to stop. I told them about seeing my masters face in my head. At one point during the convo he saw it too. Later he contacted me again thanking me for warning him because the sect he was part of turned to be not such a good sect and ill leave it at that. Another exp I had happened when I was walking as I like to do. An I passed a church and when I did my shen activated. I contacted sifu who told me that anything with spiritual power will activate my shen. An that you could actually tell how developed someones spiritual power was just by saying their name. Also that there are such objects in this world that hold spiritual that will only activate around someone who's shen power is developed. So when the sun thing happened and sifu explained it and I thought back to the empowerment and what he said about the jinshen it made perfect sense to me. Now to say that I am so great that i can mix 2 powerful systems of cultivation correctly and with success seems a bit incorrect..

Im not a sun practitioner. Let me explain. I was at work and the sun was setting the sunlight can thru the blinds and when the light hit me my shen activated and I started to buzz. Not knowing what to think of this I just let it go. Till it happened again but this time I went outside to experience it directly. I felt centered grounded and was charging at the same time. At this point i decided to call my teacher. Who told me that it was a speical type of sunlight that only happens once a day. Of course i tried to test this by getting up and watching the sunrise.... nothing then I tried it again at a different time of the day and nothing still. It was and is during that specific that sifu said. So this is something I wasnt expecting but either was healing words with proper shen development.

Its something that documents the path within that system and its a good thing for a master to pass on his training journal to his student.

Ding ding ding we have a winner. This will prevent you from mastering the system and you could never really properly train someone in either system or accurately describe what each one does. This is also why documenting your training is also important.

I agree completely. This temptation is something I fight myself. I recently spoke to my teacher about something I was going thru who told me that our training kind of makes us like solar cells ready to be charged by a certain type of sunlight. So this is something new to me and just acts as a reminder that it takes a bunch of time and hard work to fully understand the system that your training in.

Im not a member of their sect I have kept my eye on them. I just find them interesting and like them more than tridaya.

Well thats interesting my sifu can do amazing things as well. BUT I cant speak about the head master of another system that I never trained in like an expert. I find it better just to respect these masters for who and what they are instead of trying to compare. During my first year of training I lived almost like a begger I went with out hair cuts and so on. Plus I trained for hours a day everyday. I trained hard and learned a lot. I learned that I am nothing and that life moves on no matter what. And that we are all the sons and daughters of mankind. Everything we have from our shoes, food, homes, roads and so on came from the invention of some man or woman who sacrificed their time to build and innovate for the better of all mankind and generations to come. The truth is that you or I cant bow deep enough to say thanks or repay what we inherited. With proper authentic alchemy you learn that truth about everything in time. The main thing is just to listen and observe. The master always listens first. oh btw check this out. To keep in line with the thread title. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=id&u=http://halilintar-sakti.blogspot.com/2011/08/halilintar-sakti.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://halilintar-sakti.blogspot.com/2011/08/halilintar-sakti.html%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D664

Back to the thread already at hand.

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I dont really just keeping the convo going

Ok why do you think he was more powerful than john?

Ok I just have to ask....... who is your teacher?

To me its about being honest with yourself and having authentic practice. I was at the work the other day. Going thru the latest email to hit engineering dept about another iphone problem that I had to look into solving. As i was working a beam of sun light shined thru a crack from the window blinds. When this ray hit me it activated my shen and It started to heal me and I was getting a charge from it. I looked out the window and realized the sun was setting. When I realized what was happening I went outside to bath and charge up in this light. This is something I noticed that only happens as the sun rises and sets and no other time of the day. This made me understand that there is something more to sunlight and that there is different types. This is something that i wasnt told about beforehand but it is something I learned thru true practice. Teaching is about mercy. The mercy the master has to accept the student and teach then the truth and the mercy that student will show when he passes that truth on. Note: (This happens everytime this type of sunlight hits me.)

If i could like this post more than one time I would..... What I like about this post was the fact that he wasnt quoting a book or theory. What he says matches alot of my own personal experience. I recently tried to explain this to a friend of mine. So so so tru...... When your training for ascension thru alchemy you have to leave the darker parts of your self behind in the past where they belong. I know when I was training to develop my dan and thus the tian I was puting in about 7hrs a day of practice.