Nungali

Wow . Even I feel good now for you . So you should feel good too, that you where able to do that , and they must feel so good you did that for them . Thats all great and in my opinion , balanced out . But now you need to address your own problems in a different way . If you see that good act you did as a type of magical ritual that you should get something from , then there is also another part to it . Lets say , (for arguments sake ) you 'pray to God' to win the lotto . You cant just sit there and expect something to happen , you have to (or get someone to do it for you ) go and buy the ticket . For example ; maybe someone that tried the right technique for getting peace and tranquility and it didnt work , after then doing good works, the right technique might be now more effective ; you still have to work for it though . All I can suggest is keep doing good works when you can and separately work on yourself with what you need to do . At times in my past I did a lot to help others and often it was spat back in my face , but not always . and I saw people that acted in a nasty way and didnt help them . I see those people now, the nasty ones , and I am forever thankful that I dont have their problems, their outlooks, their dishonesty . I certainly have my own issues and problems to work through, they didnt go away because I helped others . But for all I know , all the great stuff I have got may have been helped by that and , to me, it s invaluable . There might be other ways or other systems with different approaches that can help you get what you want . I hope you find success in that .

and my first question ?

I thought to add these definitions Science The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. "new advances in science and technology." Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena. "the science of astronomy." A systematic method or body of knowledge in a given area. "the science of marketing." Scientism The collection of attitudes and practices considered typical of scientists. The belief that the investigative methods of the physical sciences are applicable or justifiable in all fields of inquiry. The often dogmatic belief that science is the only source of knowledge. History A chronological record of events, as of the life or development of a people or institution, often including an explanation of or commentary on those events. "a history of the Vikings." A formal written account of related natural phenomena. "a history of volcanoes." A record of a patient's general medical background. "took the patient's history." Presentism The belief that only current phenomena are relevant. Interpreting past phenomena in terms of current beliefs and knowledge. The doctrine that the Scripture prophecies of the Apocalypse (as in the Book of Revelations) are presently in the course of being fulfilled. Anthropology he scientific study of the origin, the behavior, and the physical, social, and cultural development of humans. The science of the structure and functions of the human body. (ie. seeing the value of all human experience , historically and cross - culturally ) Egocentric Holding the view that the ego is the center, object, and norm of all experience. Confined in attitude or interest to one's own needs or affairs. Caring only about oneself; selfish. Now if we combine scientism with presentism and egotism ....... hello modern person !

It seems someone thinks you are incapable of doing your own wiki search on things I mention to you - like Israel Regardie . So they do it for you and post the results here - whatever . Modern science and psychology is not bullshit. To say it is is too general a statement . For example; I refuse to take some medications that I am 'supposed' to as ; they dont feel right as soon as they are in my body , I dont consider that I need them , they seem pushed by drug companies and finally , I found out, there is a movement to expose them for some of the reasons I just mentioned . But I was amazed and very happy about my hip replacement . Any person , anywhere at any time can and probably will feel some degree of loneliness and stress . What the key issue is, how it is dealt with . This seems a basic realization, in many areas, that people do not want to look at . I have observed its dynamics for decades living in a community ; we are humans , in this particular society ( even if some think they have dropped out or 'gone feral or triba;' , no, its just an expression within this society - they are just playing at those things ... but still going to the supermarket, still doing social media , so I see that as rather funny , anyway ... ) I would say to them ; " Look, we have x amount of people here so statistically that means we are going to have y amount of cases of domestic violence, z amount of cases of child abuse , etc etc . So we need to have ways and policies of dealing with that and trying to lower those figures ." NOPE ! It was met with near horror ! It i.s absolutely denialist and stupid . Its as if we all know a bush fire is p[possible yet we dont want to have any fire fighting equipment (and that community has now got so bad and the problem has extended so far that now they do not actually have fire fighting equipment anymore ! ) . Eventually some of those problems, of course , manifested . Instead of having a skill set, remedies, and post treatment plans , they just ran around like chickens with their heads cut off ..... just like they will do if a bush fire comes onto the property . I have been in various groups ; communal, social, magical ..... and I have always said ; " It doesnt matter what your group , tribe , gang , monastery or commune you are going to have the same old human issues and unless you have a way of dealing with them and addressing them , your group will fail , regardless of its focus or work . " The dead fish ,? Yes , clean up the lake . But this is a pretty big lake ! and its being polluted for a very long time . Unfortunately when we DO get a very big lake to clean up ( or other environmental mess ) ... DO WE clean it up ? or do we just go somewhere else to do damage and destruction there ?

Okay . But what is it that you do that you consider good ? And what would you consider is 'good stuff' that you would get in return ?

here you go ..... this is all there is ... and its a bit waterlogged , I found it on the beach

Lois is the new 'space captain' .

I think admin is needed here . It seems 2 topics both have two OPs and threads , van they be joined please ?

And this is why sometimes, for some people I will recommend Israel Regardie ; the guy was a fully trained magician and psychiatrist

and this is why I advocate training in the proper 'school' . . I use this analogy a lot ; two people decide to fix their house wiring ( 240v AC ) ; one is trained as a electrician and one is not . Which one would you want to be ?

No need to promise anything as you will not be able to do that in a PM . besides , you dont want my information , you are very satisfied with your own system and the remedies in that . If its so good, and magick and hermetics are merely a bad copy of Judaism, as you have claimed , then go to your own tradition to solve the problems you are having .

There you have it ! "almost like ' Thats why in magick we have an internal hierarchy ; some 'entities' have simple jobs , like those of the autonomous nervous system ( eg. we dont have to consciously force our breath in and out to stay alive or consciously regulate digestion etc . These forces should have no say in directing and controlling the 'organisms ' that we are . In between these extremities are all sorts of forces with various degrees of independence . At the top is the 'King' . Thats why magicians are often shown wearing a crown . Imagine the 'happy farm' it has a good farmer ( the 'King' ) knowing what he is doing , treating all the animals in the right way , specific to themselves ; showing a balance of kindness and discipline , regulating and keeping the environment healthy , everything , when in harmony, can nearly run itself, and that allows Framer to get on with other more important projects . Then consider a farm in chaos with no fencing , all the animals running amok, doing what they want here and there and the farmer in the midst ... nit even knowing he is supposed to be a farmer . Sorting all this out is and essential part of life (for the magician ) and 'life' (especially this lesson ) and the skill of the Master Magician , is becoming 'master' of this realm within yourself ... its a core and central part of second degree initiation .

Just like many things in magic and the occult and psychology , this 'distinguishing between the two' has its rules, tests and parameters . I have made many posts on this . Of course even though I can support it with professional evidence and citation of clinical trials , people will argue against it in an ignorant way ( meaning irrational, illogical, cant show proper reference or citation and use suspect 'tactics' - move the goal post, ad hominem ... all that type of diversion ) , and have here in the past . I feel its much better for a PM discussion , or a PP discussion , so the 'annoying mosquitoes' dont try to suck your blood while you are nutting out such central and crucial issues .

If you put all the above together 'nature is your teacher' . That way you are not going 'against the way ' . But this requires a previous skill ; to be able to observe and 'read' nature correctly . And that takes time , individually, a quick modern glance will not do it , at least a few hours of silent observation . And for people collectively ; many generations . But if we upset, imbalance or destroy nature , then we are 'learning' from our own interference, disruption and destruction .

You want me to find a connection between a kabbalists villa constructed by AI and an antique library left out in the weather and rain ? I think you have the 'reverse AI infection ' ( its thing and people all over the place are catching it ) it works like this . AI started gaining its artificial intelligence by learning and copying from the average mass of people (there is your first danger sign right there ! ) . Then with that input it became 'greater' and people started using it in its reverse function ; instead of us teaching it, it started to teach us . . . well, those that got deeply involved with using it . Then they started to become like AI . With the warped and unrealistic perspective . It could soon spread through your consciousness into your physical body . I suggest you monitor the shape of your hands and fingers . Once that starts , I am sorry , its too late .