Nungali

'' Everyone was poor '' How did they then afford passage to the Americas .? The only sense I can make of these comments , in relation to my post you put it under is yes, you made a point .... of some type . But in relation to what you seemed to be answering in my post , your idea doesnt hold up BEFORE Europeans got to America . Did you understand the post you quoted ? There was not a Mesopotamian influence when Egypt first started developing agriculture . But thanks for your lesson in 'basic history and science ' And if you still dont believe this actual basic history , look into the development of agriculture in Papua / New Guinea .

.... best to get it there before the poo gets in https://www.zmescience.com/medicine/street-cannabis-faecal-matter-07042019/

Of course .... I was going to do a ritual there and use it as my magic circle .... but it was too far inland . ... and it isnt in the country of 'West Sahara' . After checking out West Sahara ( a day or two away ) I shall be on to Morocco ... and then I will be VERY close .... unless I get delayed a bit Apparently they have nice brownies there

Which is, no doubt in your 'philosophy' why all the 'good stuff' happens underground .

It may be covered under Africa but there is 'the Great Damballa ' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damballa and it may connect to 'Rainbow Serpent ' . Another ancient connection between myths is all the diverse people that have similar '7 sisters' / Pleiades myth . There was an entry about this connection in the Wiki article on Aboriginal astronomy, but it has been now removed from that article . I think there are some mythic details to support an ancient connection between people but it doesnt indicate any 'superior reptilian like presence ' any more than any other 'sacred creator' animal does . And especially not the modern theories about this . If it did , why a snake ? All the modern supposin' about this , the 'reptile superior ones' are thought to have some type of 'appendages' ( to do stuff with , other than bite or constrict ) .

< takes notepad out from under the rowboat seat .... makes a note of this for 'future reference' . >

'One ' wonders why this little gem has not been edited it out by its author yet ? I will have you know, young lady , that I am well past womenopause . I know it has passed as it is indicated by a strange sensation that starts at the 'nether regions' and slowly rises through the centers up to the cranium . - it is the brain rising to its rightful position . It happens in old age .

Maybe they didnt live long enough for the long term effects here is curious 'fact' Nitric oxide boosts the immune response in the eye area, helping to fight off bacteria and protect against eye infections. Kohl was made from galena (lead sulfide), a substance that, in small doses, triggered the production of nitric oxide. Ohhh Man ! My eyes are sore .... again !

It had various other purposes to , it was often a harsh environment with bright Sun and reflection from sand and water . And the 'toxicity' also had a claimed health benefit . However , the young lady here that had an exotic beauty products business did return from the area with fancy little turned wooden pots of the substance and started selling it to her internet 'friends and followers ' ( iue customers ) . I asked her what it was like and she said '' It stings a bit at first but then you get used to it . '' people and their beauty products ! Do you know why people use beauty products ?

Some indigenous farming practices started in the and around the Nile valley before the Mesopotamian influences arrived . However it intensified and a greater variety came about after Mesopotamian influences . https://www.britannica.com/topic/agriculture/The-Nile-valley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_agriculture#Beginnings_of_agriculture AI ; ' AI Overview The development of agriculture in ancient Egypt was significantly influenced by a prior Neolithic diffusion of agricultural practices and domesticated animals from West Asia around 9000 BCE, which predates specific Mesopotamian cultural influences that appeared later in the fourth millennium BCE

Who ? IVC and ancient Egypt ? I would say there was some element of independence and both got influence from Mesopotamia. But back at the far era of agricultural development , I dont think there was direct evidence of influence on each other . Agriculture arose independently in a few places , It did not arise in Mesopotamia and then spread to everywhere else . When ? See above and see my comments previous about trade . Shared information about things other than knowledge ? Errrmmm what ? What is 'just basic science' ?

There is . But 'India' is a more recent development - check Egypt's trade with Harrapa ( Indus Valley ) . That is a more modern association , some claim all sorts of things about ancient Egyptian lore .... its mostly obscure and ,as Apech pointed out, interpretation relies heavily on context and context takes time to study . A rearing or rising snake is a common observation and analogy in many cultures . And not so dissimilar to any ancient people that did herding .

A curious entry in that, the description ( the 'wiki words' ) encompasses what I said , in regard to its use of words like ; ' disruptive revelation, change , sudden change, higher learning and liberation ' yet the decks and imagery cited and described only point to the negative . So where did the author get the positive aspects from ? Grey and Butler one assumes . Sometimes we dont 'try to contrive reality at all ' .... it is thrust upon us by conditioning and that outcome then seems natural . It is also considered natural by the 'conditioners' . I think any prescriptions for not building a tower in the first place would need to be started not long after birth .

Next stop 'Western Sahara ' ..... Sahara is a country ? Apparently ... its run by Morocco .... no wait , only part of it , the rest is run by .... I'm not sure . It used be a colony run by Spain ... whaaaat ? That must have been ages ago , hang on I will look it up on my phone .... 1975 ! Spain had Western Sahara as a colony up to 1975 ! I am gonna have to look this one up and ...... damn ! outa power (its cloudy today )

For a more 'traditional' view ( ie. Egyptian ) tag Apech . Regarding what you asked about my personal view : ' The serpent which came forth from the earth has risen; the flame which came forth from Nun is fallen. ' '' How do you read this process? Is your version meant to be an inversion of the original text? ( yes, in a way ) Or a reinterpretation? (yes ) Is what's described an act of destruction or correction? ( a reinterpretation of it in light of indigenous teachings ) A rebalancing? ( I hope so ... who the heck knows what those far ancient Egyptians really thought ... again ask Apech ) ) A release of repression and subconscious energy? Deep renewal through reversal? Is this a lament for lost light, ( no ) an exaltation of the goddess's return, ( exaltation of her being ever present ) an overall celebration of the overturning of cosmic order? ( a celebration of cosmic order ). The earth serpent is Ungud , the 'Rainbow Serpent ' creator spirit . It 'rose' , 'looked up', became receptive , 'desired ' . The 'flame' is life but in this story is water ( the water of life ) it comes from Nun / Nuit / night sky, stars and space ; Wallenganda , the black snake ( the dark part winding through the river in the Milky Way ) the river in the night sky ; the stars either side being the campfires of Wallenganda's children camped along the river banks . Ungud reflects on his barrenness and admires Wallenganda . Wallenganda responds by spitting some of her water down onto Ungud , he takes it underground and 'The Dreamtime' starts . . . life comes forth . ( I have written the myth out a lot fuller many times here ... if the search engine works for you ) . of course, this way pre-dates the Egyptian versions .... one of their stories in the Hermopolitan creation cycle is two frogs ( and also male and female pairs of frogs and snakes - which brings to mind marriage laws requiring people to only pair with a different animal totem - moiety . ) Some think it signifies water and life coming to a barren earth via an ice comet strike . It may also represent a memory of moving out of the time of 'The Great Drought' ( the end of the Ice Age .... cold temps , water turns to ice and less rain - desert , warm temps ice melts, more rain - fertility .

Anyway this is only half the process and its the same in the RW version . But where does that leave us ? ... there is no resurrection or rebirth - its a failed initiation where the candidate has died from the ordeal . The wisdom cited by Ming does not do this as it offers an alternative it isnt just about destruction . This is one of the many reasons I prefer the way the mysteries are presented in Thoth deck , they are constructed by someone that understood the processes and just didnt copy someone else's cards . Destruction at the base , old / mistaken concepts and illusions falling away , yet I draw attention to the dove and serpent rising from the ruins and the 'all seeing eye' now opened . I won't go deeply into as it can be explained in one line ; '' Break down the fortress of thine Individual Self, that thy Truth may spring free from the ruins. ''

I cant decide if it is good or bad . On one hand , people are getting dumber and have no comprehensions of classic themes and teachings . Some new story or movie or even ;game; comes out that copies or mimics the theme and those that only know pop go wow this amazing and get some revelation from a comic book . Somehow its wincingly painful . But at least they are now exposed to / familiar with those themes . But it gets worse ..... a fully adult woman once commented to me in smirking judgmental way that I listen to 'cartoon music ' (as the piece had been used in a classic Disney cartoon and she was unaware of the original ) , so now I am the dork as I listen to cartoon music , and she is clever as she recognized where it was from . My God ..... society is going imbecilic !

That aint the RW Deck .

I can affirm this as I live on a commune ... or did . Now they are called 'intentional community ' by new age hipsters . We had a very solid base of no individual land ownership ... no 'owning property' . It worked well . Any of those expenses were shared by everyone , we all chipped in $30 a week each to keep things running, pay expenses, machinery and maintenance , community facilities , rates and taxes, road structure , water and electricity and would also put 10% of our income towards some cause or charity each month . 40 years later it is still $30 a week ! But sneaky insidious human nature reared its ugly head in some ... and now most 'new people' , not only do they not consider or even comprehend giving anyone else some of our money but some want to privately ' own' their parcel of land ... a little while back I had to sit in on a dispute between some of these new ( as they call themselves ) 'women on the land ' as when one was on holidays , her neighbor dug up a few plants and moved them , along with the fence line , 10 mt to the east to gain some of 'her' site . Now its all ...... Mathew 23: 27 - 28 .

Ah ... but a hole is where the property 'isn't' .

It is a well known writer's theme because , guess what ? People like to read about others they consider have more 'power' (in various ways ) and their misuse of the power causing their demise . https://www.bartleby.com/essay/Literature-with-the-theme-of-self-destruction-PKXZPNL36ZYA Macbeth would be the classic example . Regarding specifically 'wizards' , Faust by Marlow ( although there is a variation of end theme in Goethe's version) is probably the classic example . The other would be ' "Der Zauberlehrling' by Goethe . Or you could watch 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice' segment from 'Fantasia'

Old King Cole was a merry old soul .

Stand outside the galaxies and have another look. There is a Universal process that is doing well. And it turns out that this galaxy is more useful than it appears from the black hole view .

meanwhile .....

Spiritual , therefore peaceful ? You better ask Lord Krishna about that ... or Ares . You could also check with the Vatican (sanctum bellum ) or even Milhemet mitzvah - a holy war of obligation . ..... 'The Great War of Religion ' that split the 'Indo-Iranians ' ... 'Sacred Wars ' ; The First Sacred War (595–585 BCE) The Second Sacred War (449–448 BCE) The Third Sacred War (356–346 BCE) The Fourth Sacred War (339–338 BCE) The Fifth Sacred War (281–280 BCE) Firestone (2012) stated that in the eyes of ancient Rabbinic Judaism, the Maccabean Revolt (167–160 BCE), the First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE) and the Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE) were "holy wars" or "Commanded Wars" (Hebrew: מלחמת מצווה Milkhemet Mitzvah).[41] ....... so .... I feel totally and spiritually justified in my heroic efforts to impose justice and my own belief system and viewpoints on anyone that might resist . However , I am not a tyrant . If Apech kneels before me and begs forgiveness and converts ..... I may just take him along with me on the rest of my mission - then he can share in the karma of righteousness .