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and Chaos Magick appeared in mid 1970s You really need to give up on this ' learning ' from silly pop movies and gaming thing you do . Why would they want to 'pretend' that ... even if you were right ?

Dont be to sure .... I am sure our Homer here is familar with the concept ... sometimes Chaos gets tired of Chaos and longs for some control ;

... and of course one can pursue it '' academically '' , regardless of whether it happened to you or I naturally or coincidentally . And although not many personal accounts exist , there is a lot of historical and modern writing about the concepts involved .

No, its nothing like that . Although it might be for you . is it 'spiritual awareness ' or 'innocence ' or ' NOT being obscured ' ... or perhaps even NOT having a dose of ; '' a lack of clarity or insight, particularly regarding one's understanding of an object or emotion.[1] (2) The mental hindrances or veils that cloud understanding and perception, preventing one from seeing the true nature of things.[ '' .

If you want to find about Chaos theory ... yes , go Wikipedia at first and dont rely on pop books and movies . ? Ahhhh , no . It looks at underlying patterns and laws of determination within seemingly chaotic systems . It also has a Daoist perspective in that it looks at how minuscule changes in the beginning of a system can lead to immensely different outcomes - eventually . How that can have a Daoist perspective ..... I'll leave that up to you to contemplate . Its more in the word meaning of chaos that 'they ' ( the founders of 'Chaos Magick ' ) thought described their approach * other than watching any pop film or reading a book , and I doubt they even went into the theory . * The term "chaos" ( in 'Chaos Magick ' ) signifies a fundamental opposition to strict, unchangeable rules and traditions found in many other belief systems.

Do you mean other than the process in the video ? I would recommend getting familiar with the concept in various traditions , examining your past and looking for indications or experiences , and ' if you will ' , there is Crowley's commentaries but I dont recommend that .... especially if 'give permission' and 'invoke often' work anyway But then again , he ( Crowley ) 'came to the knowledge ' about these things down an obscure path and cited the Bornless Ritual / Liber Samekh .... urrrgh .... obscure ! * . Then again , easy for me to say .... who had one just appear to me and 'zap' me as a child and then stay with me ever since . After further consideration and communication , I feel they are (or mine was ) 'assigned ' and is not an 'ascended person ' that has 'taken me on ' ( I checked ... and got clearer on that .... actually, after this a few things have become clearer , so thanks for the stimulus to re-investigate after I had further experience . ) As far as this ' assigning of a spiritual assistant ' goes, I find the Urantia Book interesting on the subject ; a quick AI scan : ''According to The Urantia Book, guardian angels, or seraphim, are real and assigned to individuals to protect and minister to them, but they do not directly control human decisions or invade the mind. These celestial beings act as custodians of a person's soul-survival values and facilitate the best use of the life choices made by the individual, working to coordinate various spiritual influences surrounding them. A guardian seraphim is assigned when a person makes a supreme decision to live a Godlike life, ... '' ( makes the decision , calls, invokes .... ) '' Role of the guardian angel Guardianship, not control: Guardian angels do not manipulate or control your will. Instead, they provide support and make the best possible use of the course you have chosen. Protection: Coordination of influences: While you must chart your own course, your guardian angel is present throughout the entire journey of life, and for many, this association continues even after death into the higher realms. In Zoroastrianism some consider that you are united with the angel ( your 'Daena ' ) after death and/or it leads you through the immediate post death realms . '' Daena embodies a person's moral conscience and the innate wisdom that helps one choose good over evil. It is the divine wisdom that guides an individual toward a life of good thoughts, good words, and good deeds. After death, Daena is a divine being that embodies a person's entire life of actions and spiritual choices. At the judgment, Daena appears to the soul at the Chinvat Bridge and guides it based on the sum of its deeds. * 'obscure ' and not because I am not familiar with it or the system around it , consider ; '' Today, the Bornless Invocation as a means to achieving the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel can be found in a wide range of practical manuals, both in printed form and online. As such, it is a remarkable testament to the entangled nature of Western Learned Magic. An exorcism once written down in fourth-century Egypt, obtained by the renowned collector and dealer of antiquities Givanni Anastasi and sold to the British Museum, found its way via an English translation edited for the Cambridge Antiquarian Society in 1852 into a highly secretive society, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, where it was reinterpreted as an invocation of the divine aspect of man, the genius or the Holy Guardian Angel. From there it appeared in print in an unlikely context, as a “Preliminary Invocation” to The Goetia, part of the infamous grimoire Clavicula Salomonis Regis. It was used by none other than the Great Beast 666, Aleister Crowley, on a daily basis in 1906 when he travelled across China, resulting in the “greatest event in his career”—the Knowledge and Conversation of his Holy Guardian Angel. Published again in 1929, the text was now reinvented as an official instruction for a new religious movement, Thelema, offering a new dispensation to mankind. In addition to this, the Bornless Invocation was conflated and entangled with the early modern grimoire tradition, through The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abra-Melin the Mage, and the concept of the Holy Guardian Angel. A strange adventure for a text. '' https://er.ceres.rub.de/index.php/ER/article/view/10265/9934

Which Bible ? There is the Jewish Bible , that Jews obviously wrote * and the Christian Bible with Old and New Testaments , that was 'collated' by various people and processes . * Lairg seems confused that although the Jews adopted many stories in the Jewish Bible , they ( the Jews ) actually re wrote, adapted and collated them into the Jewish Bible - so of course, the Jews * wrote the Jewish Bible ... but they didnt come up with the original versions for many of the adopted/ collated stories . - Josiah's scribes seem the culprits .... they 'found' the 'Torah ' in the Temple they were rebuilding . However the Bible stories might have been known and built upon throughout the whole area in a non oral tradition dating from the 10thC BC up to 100 CE. The text compiled between the 8th and 6th C BC with current redaction 6th to 5th BC using the stories like David and King Solomon and a Unified Jewish state ( back written to make a fake history ) by Josiah's scribes , before he made a move to go north and claim Israel ( after it had been weakened by invasion for punishment due to rebellion , and then retreat of Assyrians ) as rightful as it was being claimed now as part of the old Unified Kingdom . The plan did not work , on the ground, though - for him . He ran into Pharaoh who was on his way north to quell the Babylonians and tried to oppose him .... and got shot full of arrows . The story however became a great success , soon everyone believed it , resulting in the formation of Jewish monotheism ( ie Judaism ) Christianity and Islam and was considered a valid source of world history up to the 1880s ... and still for some today , fully, or in subtle ways not many are aware of in themselves . ... to me, it seems the biggest con job in history !

Its hard to say as 1) people's claims seem relevant to themselves , so success ....will likewise seem relevant to the self view. and 2) the case of definition of what actually HGA is * and 3) . 'Knowledge of ' seems very different to 'converse with ' and any 'converse' , especially on this level ( ie. not the 'normal everyday level of consciousness ' ) , might be subtle , symbolic , etc . * according to Crowley its a name he got from the Book of Abramelin which he applied . he equated it with 'genius' and 'daimon' of the ancient Greeks although in his version it is an objective individual and not just our 'higher nature' . The ancient Greeks (and Romans ) seem split on various ideas about this ( I lean towards the Socratic view ) regarding them as either 'indwelling' or attendant ' and have relationship to character , personality , aspirations and inspirations and inner spiritual and outer material guidance . To me it seems a mixture of these forces .... or , that is our perception from 'here ' . If I am flexible with the definitions I feel I have had definite success with communication but many would say ' That was not your HGA ' - however some Greek sources believe the 'daimon' to be a soul of a person from their 'Golden Age ' who 'watched over' you . This seems to go along with some old Zoroastrian concepts ( the origin of a lot of 'spirituality ' in Crowley's system ) where good people from the past may assign themselves ( or part of their function ) to come back / visit certain people to give advice and assistance and to work as a 'bridge' between yourself in this life and the 'other side' - which seemed to be the case for me . Also it goes along with a few different traditional origins So, if one sees it as a 'higher self' OF oneself , then that might be something other than HGA ( and there are a few higher levels of 'self' ) . But if it IS an objective outside influence to guide and direct and converse with and get advice , then I feel I have had immense success , and that seems to go along with the view of what was meant by it (as opposed to what was injected into the concept later ; higher self ) . Sometimes there seems a 'shadowy collective ' in the background , but converse has definitely been by one particular one . There is also subtle guidance that results in luck, fortune and other things .... behind the scenes , as it were , that is , not being aware of process , just the outcome ... which can result in the 'magician' having the appearance of ' pure arse ' . Its difficult to say what is behind that . eg ; pure arse is like when our lawyer was happy but incredulous how 'fate' kept constantly coming to my assistance in our court case : ''Its like , they ( the prosecutors ) push you in a river , you fall and stumble, landing on a stepping stone and career from one stone to the other and land on the other side, on a silk cushion, with a cocktail in your hand ' people have often been exasperated by my 'pure arse ' at times Definitely not .

Bush Tucker Man examining a native plant ( a tv show on indigenous foods ) and he asks his elderly indigenous companion '' Can I eat this ? '' '' Yes .'' - eats it , spits it out '' Urrrrk ! That tastes disgusting .... I thought you said I could eat eat it ?'' '' Well .... you can eat it .... I wouldn't - tastes terrible ! ''

I used to make them up ..... general stories , sometimes three a night '' And not one we have heard before '' and even had to construct them around certain things ; '' I want to hear a story with a boy, a dog, a bow and arrow, a rocket ship and ..... ummm ..... watermelon ! '' ''Okay then < thinks ..... > Once there was a boy with a pet dog called .... '' But often they were 'scary stories' - three young boys they were . Loved scary stories ... but their Mum would be ..... ''You do that , and you will be sleeping in their room tonight ... I won't be getting up to comfort them they if get scared in the middle of the night .'' Oh well, ok , it's worth it

What does that even mean though ? here is some context ; if 1 million seconds is close to 11 1/2 days .... how long would 500 billion seconds be ? Near 16 years . Today's 'millionaires' ...... Meh ! .... Ya need at least that much to get yourself a half decent house !

According to the Biblical OT story of the establishment of the Jews in Palestine it is . But only if 'God' ordains it.

even the curdled skin ...... no inari sushi for you ? I LUV it ! Although I have to say I do not approve of non-traditional ingredients in it ..... corn on top ???? Noooooooo and dont make it like a Totoro either !

I think he posted a lot of his teachings on this site .... have you found them here ? Also, when searching you might find a discussion about whether he has died or not ..... I cant remember the outcome of that one .

Recently I have had a young 'first-step' magical student visit and quiz me about her desire to go along the path of magical development , particularly she wants to cut through the crap and get to the essence ... and do something to set her firmly on her way . After a bit of thought I came up with 'the basic essential practice ' .... which seems to me to be ' 'the oath' (of dedication to such a path) . This is very similar to the above '' I give permission ...... '' I took mine at a very early age and was very 'insistent' about it ; '' I dont care what you do or what happens ..... '' Well .... its been an 'interesting ride ' A technical point ....... you say 'summoning ' ... and you 'saw' But they say .... and the tradition says ..... 'knowledge and conversation ' .... very different things between those two . .... did you take the sword ? I also wanted to ask you about 'Chaos magicians ' .... But I will start a new thread in esoteric section for that .

What ? ... even worse than the Grimm brothers ?

I have to say that my enlightened mind enjoys it when my yes-but ego mind ... all of a sudden , out of the blue, when it can get over itself , declares simply .... ' I dont know ' . The resignation to that is a relief at times ... and even the yes but ego mind needs a holiday now and then . Acceptance then follows resignation .

Well , here is the proof ....... do you like tofu ? I used to make tofu , my GF did bean sprouts , we did a delivery run together . The last drop off point was a small health food store and the woman there always took our left over bean sprouts ... heaps of alfalfa sprouts . I asked if she ate them and she said no, her cat likes them .... not one or two , but a big handful in a bowl ! Imagine puss munching his way through a pile of stringy wet green sprouts https://articles.hepper.com/can-cats-eat-bean-sprouts/ Hmmm ... after this diversion I think I just invoked ... ' dont care mind '

Well ... Man was made in the image of God after all

Ahhhhh , but Coby ....... metaphysical experiments ! They have different 'constitutes ' .... just like 'alternative archaeology ' has

The God of Abraham ... and his descendants . A family God that went on to other things ...... and apparently grew really really 'tall' . and the winner is .... Ushiku Daibutsu ! You just won the (world's tallest ) trophy !

he is probably referencing himself and the 'experiments' he cites , which seem like exercises in visualizations and imagination while imagining himself as something 'other ' than human and the random results thereof as somehow significant , to him but often out of context and not relating to the conversation at hand . But hey ... why miss an opportunity to blow your own trumpet ? .

..... didnt you do this ^ before ?