Nungali

... which could be unpopular .

You 'object' to my diversion ? You must be , because it wasn't about an opinion it was about an action . Furthermore , I object to your action , in objection to 'my opinion' because it wasn't one. And further to that furthermore , I object to your diversion , criticising my objecting to actions and thinking they where non objections to opinions and therefore extending the diversion . But, you could criticise my opinion about all that as 'not unpopular ' ... which would mean that silly criticism of you IS popular , ...although I did decide to act on your action in posting an objection ... and post my opinion .

This coming full Moon is ' The Hunter's Moon ' . What;'s going on with that ? It's more of a physical thting than any mystical or 'energetic thing ' ( although it may have cross over effects into those areas . For obscure astronomical mathematical reasons that I cant bother to nut out .... we will have 'more full Moon light at night ' over this three day full Moon period . I had to word that carefully , here is what happens ; Most of the time, the Moon rises around 2 hrs later each night , so on your regular Full Moon , the first night , the Moon comes up some time around sunset ( depending on locality ) , the next night , 2 hrs later ( so you have 'missed' 2 hours of night time full Moon , as the Moon will be in the sky (just ) for the same length of time , but it will be after dawn . The next night, another 2 hours later , so thats 4 hours short of the first night , and so on . But on the Hunter's Moon , the Moon comes up only 1 hr later each night , giving a three day cycle with the full moon out at night , for a longer time . Hence, the benefit for hunters . It also might appear more 'red' than usual . be careful not to get Moonburn [ I have noticed this when putting on night events , festivals, etc . they are best timed before the full Moon , so when it gets dark the Moon is already up ( especially if you have a higher eastern horizon eg . the case with our festival site , its next to the river, so in a valley with hills to the east) , you tend not to need the Moon light during the early morning hours as most are asleep ( usually ) . Timed right , you can have 3 or 4 nights of pretty good, near full Moon illumination . ]

I think the 'wow' one is more open to a variant translation

Hinduism isnt the only surviving branch - in Zoroastrian Avestan scripture we can piece together a little of the original form of that religion that Zoroaster reformed . " The description of the old Aryan religions, the names of their deities, and the groups that worshipped them, are not uniformly described in texts. However, in reading the texts, some common themes do emerge, themes that allow us to attempt an understanding of the early Aryan religious beliefs, customs, and groupings - as well as the relationship between the different Aryan groups. The opening paragraphs of the Avesta's Farvardin Yasht and the Yasht's verse 13.150 also tell us that Gaya Maretan and the other Pre-Zoroastrian Mazdayasni were called paoiryo-tkaesha meaning keepers of the original ancient law. In order to differentiate early Mazda worship from the later Zoroastrian Mazda worship, we will call this original Aryan religion, Mazdayasni Paoiryo-Tkaesha. The Farvardin Yasht's verses 89 & 90 mention that later in Aryan history, Zarathushtra proclaimed the Ahura-tkaesha, the laws of the Lord (Ahura). If the word 'mazda' related to the creative aspect of the divinity grounded in an ultimate concept of wisdom, the word 'ahura' related to the aspect of having dominion over creation through order and laws that are innate in every part and particle of creation (cf. fravashi). Zarathushtra used these two concepts to propound a belief described as Mazdayasno Zarathushtrish Vidaevo Ahura-Tkaesho, that is, Zarathushtrian Mazda-Worship opposed to the daeva through the laws of the Lord (Ahura). " http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/religion.htm So we can assume the type of religion Zoroaster reformed 'away from' was more like the original Aryan religion , especially in the areas he banned : animal sacrifice , the consumption of drugs during ritual , the use of 'soma' , not for a medicine but to mix with other different drugs to 'amp up' before battle ( soma - ephedra herb - ephedrine - 'speed' ) . Also 'idolatry ' .. throw a mix of that in .

Or ..... if you agree with someone 12 out of 12 issues that needed to see a psychiatrist . .... most people would wonder what the hell was wrong with you .

Voting ? No voting was going on ..... I was 'recruiting people' remember ... for some 'hate fest ' or something , as Daniel claimed . ( I thought we had just finished 'Lovefest ' .... But apparently not . ) NUNGALI NEEDS YOU !

I need to divert to UNPOPULAR ACTIONS Wow ! So, the last couple of days I have had , apparently, an abscess under a tooth . It came on like <snap> that . VERY painful , spread into glands , got an ear ache , got into jaw joint . ( So , I guess my last few days of posts where done in a very 'altered state' .... oh- o ! . ) I managed to get an emergency appointment with my dentist in little city out by the coast . By then things had relieved somewhat . I joked with him as usual , he is Indian and also has a Royal Enfield ( motorcycle ) . They have a new waiting room, got shelves and he has put 'decor' on them including little Lambrette scooter model and a Porche model car . I point to the Lambretta " Ha ! You finally swapped your Enfield for a scooter ! .... and why the Porche ? " "Thats what I want to save to buy ? " Me ; " Save up ? I would have thought after my last lot of work ... you would already have one ! " ( it was $320 for an extraction this time ... he gave me $20 off , because .... " friends " .... yeah , right ) Anyways , he says abscess , gotta pull it out .... jab jab with needles and ... I am looking at the clock and its 11:40 , Saturday . I already said I was surprised he was working Saturday , and he said half day . I got there early and got in early on my appointment , he had already commented to nurse that they night get off early . " Are you numb yet ? " " NO ! " ... well, that aint stop him " Now I have to drain it first ..... you are not going to like me very much when I am doing this ..... " Oh - OH ... he pinched the gum at the base of the tooth with thumb and fingers and ......... PRESS! Oh Jeeze ! Then he says he is going to pull the tooth out and although he has numbed it , that does not numb the pain of a tooth being extracted through and abscessed socket and to bare with him for 5 mins . What the fuck ... he wants to go play golf or something ? Ah to hell with it " Look, just grab hold of the little fucker and wrench it out in one quick go .... you can do it Man ! " That made him look confident , he swelled up and ... he did it ! . ... actually .... That was a few hrs ago , got home, had some 'meds' .... relatively pain free ... now I like the guy again . .

Your questions are often not that easy to answer . 1. As deep as you want it to be . 2. Fate is a sea without shore, and the soul is a rock that abides; But her ears are vexed with the roar and her face with the foam of the tides. All delicate days and pleasant, all spirits and sorrows are cast Far out with the foam of the present that sweeps to the surf of the past: Where beyond the extreme sea-wall, and between the remote sea-gates, Waste water washes, and tall ships founder, and deep death waits: Where, mighty with deepening sides, clad about with the seas as with wings, And impelled of invisible tides, and fulfilled of unspeakable things, White-eyed and poisonous-finned, shark-toothed and serpentine-curled, Rolls, under the whitening wind of the future, the wave of the world. 3. Invoke often , reaching up to your highest potential ... Then you may explore the depths , and lay firmer foundations. This will enable you then to reach higher and draw down that energy 'from' above , which in turn allows you to go deeper and firmer , which then allows you to .... and so on . " My adepts have their feet set below the hells and their heads above the heavens ." " I bid the night conceive the glittering hemisphere O souls and spirits , rise bright and clear For to the abyss of hell I plunge without fear, I shall fix these horrible demons , with my light filled view to beauty, their horrible forms , I shall renew . For to the Abyss of hell I plunge , without a fright on them will I impose my Will - The Law of Light . " 4. You could get your base chakra vibrated by these guys for 5 minutes ..... then all the way up to back of the head over 15 mins ; 5.

I have been recently reviewing Aboriginal Kinship systems . I encountered this recently and it seemed to me that the Aboriginals acknowledged , not just this polarity fundamentally , but its extension into everything . " According to moiety, everything is split in half. This includes you and your environment. Each half of these entities are a mirror of each other. To understand the whole universe, the two halves must come together to form a whole. You can share the same moiety as other people. If you do share the same moiety, you are considered siblings, and thus, are forbidden to marry. Having the same moiety also means having a duty to reciprocally support one another. " This is the original system instigated at the forming of 'modern' Aboriginal social structure ( started around 8000ya. ). It has since spread and in some places multiplied 'by itself' , into 4 and 8 systems ('skin names' ) . . . or sub systems of the essential two . These come from either of the parents ( depending if it is a matrilineal or patrilineal group - they have both , also as a reflection of this 'polarity') . Fish, stone, river, sea etc., belongs to one or the other moiety as well. I recently watched an Aboriginal mathematician demonstrate how it works on a black board ( which I had no hope of following ! maths ! ) , with just a few simple 'nodes' of possible combinations ( marriages ) makes it possible, under their laws , for a group of less than 30 to expand and develop continually , without suffering genetic degradation ( 'cross breeding ' ) . There are more 'practical considerations as well : " ... These include certain ‘avoidance relationships’, like that of the relationship between a mother-in-law and her son-in-law. This relationship requires a social distance, such that they may not be able to be in the same room or car together. " But mostly , I have found those 'other considerations' ( which are originally generated by the concepts behind all these systems ) seem to 'knit ' their relationships together in the more tribal way . My teacher told me he had a 'biological Mum, of course, ' but also 'a bunch of aunties that where my mum in all other respects , including breastfeeding me ' . Others include ; father and mother include any relative of one's parents' generation, such as uncles, aunts, their own cousins and in-laws. Grandfather and grandmother can refer to anyone of one's grandparents' generation. Grandfather can also refer to any respected elderly man, to whom the speaker may not be related. So, one could announce themselves with their string of names , some of which are made up of certain permutations of the syllables in both their parents name ( and the parents names would also be likewise encoded ) , and their totem and from that a whole set of info would be understood ; lineage , marriage and hunting rights, land tenure and associated visiting rights , 'job' ( which part of the ecology they have to manage according to totem ) . ... and also , sometime there are just some people that are not a good match for you - 'avoidence speech' , those people you can only talk to in a certain 'language modification' speech . Some, like the case with some tribes and the mother-in-law, they talk to then via another person . What if its urgent and important and no one else is around ? Well, you can't talk to mother-in-law, but you can talk to a rock and tree ( if she is within hearing range ) and ask the rock or the tree to tell her .

So, what's this 'meditation' you want to do 'on ' your LTD ?

Not as such . It was responding more to the ' third eye awakened ' idea , than any ' me activating it ' . In a sense one can 'activate it' just by centering consciousness there . But I did not originally activate it / turn it on / become aware of it myself through any conscious process .... it happened to me in an 'event' . I guess your next question might be about that ... so ;

That isnt the aim . That happened some time back, actually , way before that stage .

Western Magick / ' Neo - Egyptian ' ..... at that stage . But I have recently been considering taking that particular practice up again .

It was for me . I had a different system though ; the 'lower' centre for the Midnight Meditation . the 'third eye ' centre for the Dawn Meditation. 'above the crown' for Noon the one between lower and Solar for Sunset . Not a Chinese system though . Although each used a 'mudra' ; palms held outwards, thumbs extended , index finger tips joined and thumb tips joined to make a triangle in the middle space : triangle pointing down , framing the lower centre , palms in triangle pointing up , framing the third eye, palms out triangle pointing up, above the head , palms out triangle pointing down , framing the 'hara' , palms in . In context this is all a 'solar ritual' / meditation . It may not be ( or the correlation LTD : Midnight ) may not be relevent , depending on what meditation you are doing ( ie. the why and what for of it ) .

Why .... to discuss the 'unproven' , of course !

Well, I am calling her a mermaid . That's how she started . If age comes into it she seemed about 30 yo , I was probably about 7 - just the right age for 'connection ' . She didnt have the classic mermaid tail though , not that I could see , that part of her was obscured by seaweed . I thought it was all swirling seaweed at first ; long dark and light green ribbon weed , billowing and flowing on the outgoing tide , about 1 1/2 mt deep . Then I saw orange reddish 'weed' billowing into it , I realised it was much too fine to be weed so I peered closer into it and then saw a very human eye and the top part of a woman's face looking at me . I was instantly worried realising she could not breathe down there , but she looked calm and at ease and was smiling . Ever the rationalist, even at that age , I thought , silly me, it cant be a woman under the water , it must be a reflection on the surface ( it seems my rational mind never wondered why a woman would be hovering up in the air over the water) , so I looked up and saw ' the other version of her ' in a split in the sky like a radiant 'yoni' shape with her in the middle . A ray of light came from her and beamed into my third eye ( which I never knew I had then ), like some type of huge 'download' and a 'busy' type of fast 'signal noise' . . . other stuff happened , to shorten the story, 'she' and her energy have been with me ever since . Thats why I 'share it ' in a thread with a subject like this one . For reference ; "Philemon was simply a superior knowledge, and he taught me psychological objectivity and the actuality of the soul. He formulated and expressed everything which I had never thought." ~ C.G. Jung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius_(mythology) A further analysis throws up some interesting 'co-incidences ' . The 'Genie' also was located to place . The place of this occurance was very significant in my development , it was a fav place , salt water estuary , a very suitable place for a crab .... my natal Sun sign ( shared with Mercury / Gemini ) . I spent a LOT of my childhood in that environment - my father was an old school SLSC ( Aussie surf 'life saver' ) so it was every weekend down the beach , mum would sit under a sun umbrella and I would be given a snorkel and face mask and tossed into one of the many ocean tidal rock pools there to marvel at that underwater world . Crab and octopus where my companions . Another connection to this ( being very into tarot in the past ) was my card That is very curious to me as well . There is a woman above the water with her reflection in the water ... and the the text says about it ! ... As far as astrology indicating proclivities , I also have a strong Neptune ( a 'higher' vibe 'mystical' 'absorptive', 'feminine', 'vibe' . . . and 'watery' , which is balanced ( thank goodness ) by a fairly stable Mercury . Another correlation in connection with the sea is the image and the 'icon ' Stella Maris' ( which I have written about in other posts ) being a patron of the sea and sailors , particularly people in distressed on the sea . The sea is a symbol of the unconscious, the surface , perhaps the conscious that , if not calm and still, distorts any image that comes into it . This also gels with me , being a long term 'psychonaut' . . . one who undertakes ' the internal journey' . So, from my perspective, this experience was a crucial node , a connection to my 'essential energy / astrological make-up ' and understanding myself . Not that it happened back then, it took years and years of other experiences, ' tie ins', learning things and I think very significantly was the months long workshop I did on reading your own natal chart and interpreting it yourself . Boy did that put a lot of pieces together ! Not only just to explain ' this is how you are ' ... but also, strangely a lot of the unusual stuff that happened to me . I have observed something nearly similar in others , friends that I got to know well , some of them too have 'issues' , luck , strange events , etc . in specific areas or fields , connected to certain energies .

I saw a 'mermaid' once .

I see ...... If they 'like' your posts ... then they are 'credible ' then

You funny foreigners and your English misspellings ! ..... its spelt D - a - n - i - e - l .

Ahhh .... the compost heap has grown upwards again . It needs to be 2 mt high to make it a cube . Thing is , it sinks a bit each time I add more due to the weight . Its a large one , biggest I have made . Soon when it stabilises to 2 mt high I will add the 'secret biodynamic sorcery ' ingredients to it .... and some stinging nettles , and some other herbal teas . then 'cook' it just right ..... they can actually ignite from the internal heat if one is not careful . I luv cooing up witchy-poo alchemical stuff

This one reminds me of that time I tried to play pin ball after I inhaled too much nitrous oxide .

I particularly liked your comment in 5 : I too think the '4th' element ( Earth ) is a product of the other three . This has interesting implications in that all manifestations of the 'elemental pattern' would follow likewise ; for example , the four forces of physics . This would make gravity a product of the weak force, great force and electromagnetic force and perhaps why a unified field theory could not include gravity ( being a product of the other three ) . The other arrangement I have is to have Air at the top (it 'connects with ' or 'is' 'Spirit' * ) and below that is Fire and Water , as they are a polarity , Air is the mediator ; this is reflected in the inner (personal ) planets with the Mars / Venus dynamic with Mercury as the mediator . And that triangular relationship 'creates' Earth (or creates the pattern in Moon and is solidified in Earth) . The psyche is set up the same way . * as in the sense of, 'breath is life' / spirit / 'pneuma' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneuma

This stuff : 34. The Local Universe Mother Spirit374 1. Personalization of the Creative Spirit374 2. Nature of the Divine Minister375 3. The Son and Spirit in Time and Space376 4. The Local Universe Circuits377 5. The Ministry of the Spirit379 6. The Spirit in Man380 7. The Spirit and the Flesh382 35. The Local Universe Sons of God384 1. The Father Melchizedek384 2. The Melchizedek Sons385 3. The Melchizedek Worlds387 4. Special Work of the Melchizedeks388 5. The Vorondadek Sons389 6. The Constellation Fathers390 7. The Vorondadek Worlds391 8. The Lanonandek Sons392 9. The Lanonandek Rulers393 10. The Lanonandek Worlds394 36. The Life Carriers396 1. Origin and Nature of Life Carriers396 2. The Life Carrier Worlds397 3. Life Transplantation399 4. Melchizedek Life Carriers400 5. The Seven Adjutant Mind-Spirits401 6. Living Forces403 37. Personalities of the Local Universe406 1. The Universe Aids406 2. The Brilliant Evening Stars407 3. The Archangels408 4. Most High Assistants409 5. High Commissioners410 6. Celestial Overseers412 7. Mansion World Teachers413 8. Higher Spirit Orders of Assignment413 9. Permanent Citizens of the Local Universe414 10. Other Local Universe Groups416 38. Ministering Spirits of the Local Universe418 1. Origin of Seraphim418 2. Angelic Natures419 3. Unrevealed Angels420 4. The Seraphic Worlds420 5. Seraphic Training420 6. Seraphic Organization421 7. Cherubim and Sanobim422 8. Evolution of Cherubim and Sanobim423 9. The Midway Creatures424 39. The Seraphic Hosts426 1. Supreme Seraphim427 2. Superior Seraphim429 3. Supervisor Seraphim432 4. Administrator Seraphim434 5. Planetary Helpers436 6. Transition Ministers439 7. Seraphim of the Future440 8. Seraphic Destiny440 9. The Corps of Seraphic Completion441 40. The Ascending Sons of God443 1. Evolutionary Seraphim443 2. Ascending Material Sons444 3. Translated Midwayers444 4. Personalized Adjusters444 5. Mortals of Time and Space445 6. The Faith Sons of God447 7. Father-Fused Mortals448 8. Son-Fused Mortals449 9. Spirit-Fused Mortals450 10. Ascendant Destinies https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/contents-book