Nungali

Okay . I wonder if GB will put THAT in his youtube : " .... and then I inserted things into Sternbach's quote that he never said ( ha har ! ) " now , since he is only on page 13 , lets make heaps of long posts so he never catches up .

Except 0 = 2 ie 0 = n+ + n- or if you like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpartner or if you like Ch 42 TTC or 0 = ' the multitude of 'manifestation ' .... if it starts ... why should it stop ? ie. = infinity .

But it seems only YOU that are claiming some type of 'supremacy' of 0 ? It isnt 'supreme' its 'origin' ... according to Crowley , mathematics, cosmology , Daoism ... all 'comes from' 0 . 'Kabbalaistic Zero' exists as 'Ain ' / ' Ayin' . " Ain is the highest and first of the viels. It is literally translated as 'nothing', or simply 'no'; it is absolute emptiness, the opposite of existence, complete absence" "Yesh me-Ayin" ("Something from Nothing") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin_and_Yesh

That can read like : Crowley took the grades for initiation for 'his' system ( AA) FROM the GD ..... which might be more accurate . He didnt follow along ... he broke his oaths, used that system to develop his 'own' private closed club Order . But the OTO was different ; instead of going through that and breaking its oaths and then splitting off to use what he learnt from it to make his own system he was 'brought into it ' , 'overtook it' from the inside ( after he failed trying to do that with the GD ) , and then changed its focus from Christian mysticism to Thelema as well as replacing its first 3 degrees ( previously they where the 3 degrees of Freemasonry ) with three new introductory degrees of the Man of Earth triad . The AA remains a closed 'clicky' club while the OTO took off internationally . Thats history .... not opinion . Try this ; ' What you should know about the Golden dawn ' by Israel Regardie - if any knew what what went on in there and what it is about , Regardie is the guy . https://www.amazon.com.au/What-Should-Know-About-Golden/dp/1561840645

I have never encountered that .

According to mathematics as well .

A few thoughts on the video . Aikido is not cultish ... or a satanic cult , not satanic but Aki-kai is definitely a cult . Its a family cult too . We where told 'we' ( paid up members of aki-kai aikido) had Mr Sugarno as our teacher ( the HG assigned 'boss' of Australia ) . Not that he seems to have any presence , he chooses to live in new York. If you are a member , some of your fees will go to him and some to the descendants of Ueshiba family who still hold ( or did then ) the 'business' . Not to mention the shrine of the dead ancestor ( ueshiba) in each dojo that everyone bows to . The classes are stylised formal rituals that often have no meaning or no meaning given ( regarding some of the strange 'warm ups' ) . the other point was the mention of Aikido in MMA . Its just silly to try and take that stylised performance ritual enacted by two people into MMA HOWEVER , some of the technique, at the right moment , depending on what your partner does AND ... its MMA YOU should not go in the ring with one skill set . At least take a bit of punching and wrestling with you ! DUDES ... its just silly ! I saw one guy trying to do it ... he had a full hakama on ( long divided skirt ) , he did okay and was willing to 'punch on' when he had to ... but that was not 'aikido' and he just looked silly trying to do all that in a 'dress' . ( hint , just tread on their hem ) I have managed to pull of a few 'aikido type moves' in sparring , by doing what I described before . BUT I got training in a few martial arts ... not just one . Sometimes I slip in a wrestling ,ove . Got one guy with a beautiful wing c hung punch .. but I never done wing chung After a while I realised a lot of those moves that are 'aikido' are actually within some of the higher kata I practised , but 'karate people' didnt know their application . before karate got degraded and modernised a lot of that stuff vanished . So now karate and aikido techniques seem very different . Also, look at this way ... it all depends how good ( experienced and smart - able to learn and apply that is ) you are : Mny years back I watching a medieval battle thing . One guy was HOT ... very good fighter , I wa surprised at some of his moves that looked familar . later I asked him if he had ever done aikido or the type of karate I had been doing ., " he answered " when you have been training and fighting long enough , its all the same , we are all constructed and move the same way , we all got the same type of joints , strengths and weaknesses , we all got a centre of gravity . " Really, it would just be insane to go into any type of bout in MA ; MMA , ju-jitsu , karate, etc and think you can do well by performing your 'training rituals' in there . Even in sword ... I learnt a lot about sword in aikido, yet once when a local club close down , the last training session the instructor asked me to stay back . He wanted a sword match to see 'if I could really kill him' (he knew I trained elsewhere as well - in training he often restricted me as a lot of my stuff was 'not aikido ' ) . He attacked rushing in cutting down from above his head , before he got half way to me , i just side stepped , went sideways and did a one hand lunge . Got him with blade sideways between his ribs right over his heart , before he had even cut down . he goes " Oh , that would have done it ." . Then he wanted a another go , so I decide to attack . lifted my sword up above my head and rushed in , but then kicked my rubber crock off my foot into his face , he baulked , lost concentration , tried to bat it away with his sword. I cut down short and then thrust in .... blade sideways , between his ribs , over his heart . he said he had never seen those techniques before . In class they would have been called 'rude' . They do a 'sword ritual' and it can be enjoyable . My other style will match... one handed , undrawn , practice sneak and treacherous attacks , practice with sword in scarab , etc etc . Oh yeah ... much of aikido actually comes from sword technique and just those things we practised , eg, 'stop draw' - someone is about to draw and you try to stop them , eg by seizing their wrist as it grabs the sword to draw it out from the belt . Several ways of doing this are classic aikido moves , including the body movement / placement and even the hand position is still the same as - if you where holding a sword .

Yes, you could ascribe them to those principles . I believe they symbolise many things , being a ' pattern of the ideal ' ; examples are given by AC in his writings . Eg, the 'Trimurti' in HInduism , the interaction of the time/space continuum and the 'point event' . I have listed several pages of similar applications. Sub-atomic physics even .

Thats a curious statement . Another curious statement - or a novel syntax . I am supposing it means that you ascribe to both systems . Oh well, why not , he 'creation ' of the G.D. 'came from' Masonry . You can be a Thelemite and a Mason ( ie. your 'Sacred Book of Law' in Masonry would then be 'The Book of the Law' . Yeah . I guess my overriding take on Thelema though is more based on Ch 1 than the stuff supposed about the 'Abyss' in systems like AA and GD .

On my history forum, its simple : disagree or 'attack' the opinion ... not the person posting it . " the information contained within in your post is rather stupid because ...... " - close to the line . " you are stupid because .... " - 3 day ban .

OKay ...... I will deal with ALL of that .... Cobie style .

Ahhh , but the thing is .... Australia has no pre HSS hominid paleontology .... so I would be a double inaccurate human .

Great story . I wont repeat mine ( too many ) - just a fav one - as I worked as a motor cycle postal courier ( Honda 90 , loaded up with two large saddle bags, a front carry basket and a rear rack ... on a 90 cc ! ) in a rich area , waterfront houses down crazy steep driveways ... many a time having to negotiate all of that , while trying to escape the dogs . One came at me while going up a very steep drive , so I just kicked it in the face with my boot , but it managed to bite the boot and hang on ... so now I am going up the driveway dragging a dog by its mouth as well .... he didnt let go until the gate . And your doggy jump .... reminded me of one time at work , moving location , crazy busy .... I know the slackers would not have secured the contents inside the catering cool room I had to tow, so I jumped into it, in a rush to check .... but someone had already lifted and secured the support legs so it was just on the main wheels and the front dolly wheel , as soon as I stepped on the back step, down it went , flipping me backwards and out . A few people where watching ... but instinct kicked in , apparently ( from accounts ) I flew backwards,. hit the ground , did a beautiful aikido style backward roll and stopped facing forward on one knee one hand on the ground in ready position ..... perfect ! Except .... then all the ( yes, unsecured) stuff in the cool room followed me ; bowls of cream, custard , fruit salad ... all over me . I looked pretty good .... for a moment there .

In the A.A. you dont get a grade unless you have been examined by your superior in the order ... if you are talking 'Thelema' and 'grades' as your citation in the Book of the Law, and constant reference to Thelema , that is the three grades as described in that book . if you are talking and claiming grades as you set out , then that is G.D. and that is not Thelemic .

Note Ch 1 Line 40 and then compare it with the posts in this thread (considering the thread title ) : " For there are therein Three Grades, the Hermit, and the Lover, and the man of Earth. " No abyss in there , What you cite as 'Grades of Initiation' are A.A. Maybe true Thelemites have no need of things like 'abysses' and other ' A.A. complications ' ? Why ? You cited it yourself : " 58. I give unimaginable joys on earth: certainty, not faith, while in life, upon death; peace unutterable, rest, ecstasy; nor do I demand aught in sacrifice. "

And I would like to point out ...... that was 8 years ago ! Now,add 8 to today's date and time and divide it by my local longitude and latitude and all will be revealed .

This one had me in stitches .... especially the 'assistant's ' sound effects ; Master Wong - 'How to defend against dog attack '. " Now ...... you got a pwoblem ! "

Ahhhhh ... I dont mind him . He can take it as well as dish it out . I agree with him about modern 'DOJO' martial arts ... well, a LOT of them . My teacher never had a dojo , wore white pajamas * , not even had a real name for the style . Virtually unknown to the outside world . * I have seen him in them, usually when OS visitors come and want him to pose with a group photo , or some official type photo , but training he usually wore loose slacks and a singlet or topless . Then again, in Okinawa ... thats basic old school peasant dress . I'll tell ya how far that BS goes ..... a guy I knew kept his rolled karate uniform with black belt tied around it on the back shelf of his car below the rear window ..... just in case anyone 'gave him trouble ' .

Ahhh the delights of being 5 ! I have a new friend that age ... her father lives OS and she only sees him every few years so she has sorta latched onto me. She turned up here yesterday dressed as a mermaid . It is a delight to spend time with her and experience those 'abundant attributes of Dao ' . - We went to feed the fish in the pond , I noticed I had a belly up floater in there .... Oh-o ! her : " What wrong with the fish ?" " I think it died . " " Oh ." " Poor fish ." " Yeah ..... poor fish " " We could give him a little ceremony and thank him and bury him and put a flower on top ." her; " yeah ....." but then she sparks up .... " Or ........ we could eat him ! "

" Logical "