Nungali

I clearly stated that . and demonstrated it mathematically as well . But not perceivable by us ; can you perceive anything else in 0 ? yet +1 and -1 can come 'pout of' zero . of course, anyone can argue with me , but when citing the TTC you cant argue with what is written there ' The Tao begot one.One begot two.Two begot three.And three begot the ten thousand things. if you go against that you still have to explain whrer the 1 and the 2 came from . Well. I could argue that potentials are unmanifest . but I dont need to ( taps Ch 42 again ) Depends how you look at it ; eg , in science , we look at 'nothing' and see nothing ... its not 'manifest ' yet we know ( from observing other things - perhaps like Lao did ) that 'empty space ' is full of virtual particles and quantum fields .. What was 'lao' thinking of when he said 'nothingness' ... or did he actually say 'The Way ' COBY ! So it may not even be 'nothingness' at all ! IMO it is a word to describe the fundamental natural order of the Universe and an all pervading principle ; 'The Way ' or 'the Path ' . The no naming and no speaking of it describes the 'issue' that it is beyond normal human comprehension , communication and observation ( at Lao's time ) . bringing its influence down to human comprehension and behavioral emulation ( ie its human application ) means living in harmony by applying the principles of nature and the 'natural flow' of things instead of applying forceful human actions that then lead to conflict or imbalance . You then need to define what this special 'logic' is first , otherwise I have to run with standard definitions . Logical thinking will not describe the Dao, void, the way of the universe, quantum fields or virtual particles . That is 'Classical Logic ' ( the principle of non - contradiction ) yet we have quantum physics and Schrodinger's cat and also even some philosophical views on that ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Hmmm .... we seem to be hopping all over the place ... how did this 'creator' get into it and why would any creator need to abide by logic only , when even the Greeks saw an alternative ? I dont think we can insist what any creator , the Way of the Universe , The Dao or nature MUST conform to such human insistence . Which is precisely what Lao infers and states . I can give you many examples where observe 'nothingness' ( from our limited perceptive point of view ) , yet it is FULL of potential . One can be electromagnetic fields . Can you see it ? can you feel it ? ... can you detect it it by using equipment other than what you have naturally ? No, but we can detect its effects ... just like quantum (and astro ) physics has done ... just like Lao did . The 'one' fits in between the 0 and the 2 . Perhaps you are a monist trying to claim that's what Dao 'must be ' ? ... and that ^ is a manifestation of the two that came out of the one, that came out of the Dao and ... dont forget you need to include ... generated the three . In your theory , if the '' ... “1” here means the display of the Creator '' , then I assume the Creator is the 0 ? We have two things ; creator and the created . 0 or Dao postulates a pre state to that . if the creator 'created' they must have existed before the creation ( as 1 'thing' ) and then created OR creator and created ' generated ' together . - either way , they are potentials that came out of 0 . Let's say there was a 1 creator ( which you seem to call 0 ? ) , first you would need to describe how that came into existence ... aside from void , 0 or Dao (according to your theory ). In any case there is a stage where we have 1 or 'creator' then creator creates your ' 1 - the display of the creator ( I am assuming you mean 'the creation, ie the '10,000 things' ). Now we have two things ( your 1 and 0 ) BUT that creates a third dynamic that didnt exist 'before ' , now creator can observe know and be aware of creation , something that could not have happened before the split into 0 and 1 ( minus 1 and positive 1 ... actually make that n+ and n- ) . So now the third principle comes into action, forming the basic primal 'ideal' ( not yet 'real' - physically manifested ) triad . and from that comes the fourfold world of 'the real', the 'material' , forces and principles - the 10,000 things . Literally ? Well, is it actually about nothingness or the way 'heaven' works ? Hang on , why should we accept that ? Do not all who proclaim to be Daoists use a 'Daoist method' in their actions and beliefs ? Ie they try to emulate the way of heaven / natural order . Well ... you can say that ... but you might be wrong I'll let 'one of those guys' answer this for you . Tracking our originating information and interpretations that lead to the arrival conclusions is a way of seeing the validity of those conclusions . . if they are at fault , well ..... Of course the 'two' are obscure as they pre-empt the 10,000 things . The 3 is also obscure as it resides 'above the abyss' in the ideal triangle that generates manifest realities . Its all in CH 42 .

Yes ... I think that is also called having a 'God Complex' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex Nah ... Enlightenment is usually described in other terms ( a profound state of spiritual awakening , wisdom, liberation from ignorance and suffering - stuff like that) . You seem to be describing some type of religious emulation via sublimation . Yes, that seems to be about the idea that true power and influence come from humility and yielding, not dominance - The greatest leaders attract followers by being humble and putting themselves below others, just as rivers collect tributaries by being the lowest point. It seems advice for rulers in the way of the Dao ... not advice for the people to become like Gods ... which seems to be what you are now suggesting ? Again affirmed by the use of 'King' - the perspective here is not aimed at 'the people ' ( here , the rivers and streams are 'the people' ) NOT in Christianity ,,,, not at all . Jeus is clearly the Shepard ( John 10:11 , Mathew 25: 31 - 46 , Hebrews 13;20 , 1 Peter 5 : 4 , - I will put this down to yet another Christian trying to juggle Daoism into the 'Christian Box' of their own belief system . ... or perhaps there is some other 'motive' ?

Moving onto your comments (about the 'confusion' or 'contradiction' ) in Ch 3 ... this is the 'verb ' ; advice on how to act in the 10,00 things ie . 'Way of Dao ' .

May as well start here ^ . This first mention of Dao is the 'nothingness , with nothingness but potential' out of which comes pairs of primal 'contrasts ' which underpin everything else . 0 = 1- + 1 + Thats it , nothing else no 'way of causality response' . That is a dynamic involved after creation . As though the first were a noun and the second a verb . Dao is one thing ( concept ... as its actually no thing ) 'The way of Dao ' is another thing that would involve influence on our inspirations > thoughts > responses > actions if we choose that way . However , I dont understand what you mean by 'all being read ' . And I would dispute your last sentence ... except for the inclusion of ' force' which would not be the way of Dao , in all things . At most ; 'gentle force along with the direction of the natural forces in question ' , again its an action , a verb and not the original essence of 'no thing' . I would say however Tzu understood the fact that attempting to use this knowledge to create or 'bring about ' positive outcomes creates positive outcomes.. A perhaps simpler way of describing it is , the other day after much frustration watching people do ;the wrong thing' and causing problems all around , when the solution is ( well, to me ) blindingly obvious ... and bored and over the continual crap over it , I 'came out ' and said ' Look ! ' I am a Daoist Magician ! I can show you the easiest way to get to the best outcome that YOU want .'' Of course strange and weird look at me . I asked the main person involved ( not an Aussie ) ; ''Do you go to our beaches and swim in the surf ? '' '' Sure ... what's that got to do with it ?'' '' What if you get caught in an off shore 'rip' , on a remote beach with no life savers , and get sucked out to sea ?'' '' Oh wait... I remember this , when I got here I did a course on beach safety ..... ummmm ... you dont swim or fight against it, heading straight back to shore , you swim across it to the side ... and you might even end up in a current that brings you back to shore . '' Me ; '' See ... you are a Daoist Magician too ! ''

I suppose , as time goes on, we will be seeing more of this .

Normally when possums are asleep ( on the shelf above my bed ) they tuck their legs under , head in and appear like a furry ball . When its hot though ... everything is reversed

Ho Ho Ho ..... .... Ho t - its 38 degrees C here .

This isnt real at all ! Santa would not have even got into their airspace ;

'Europe's Atlantis ' : Doggerland , , a vast fertile country with hills, rivers , settlements that existed during the ice age which gradually sank beneath the waves and was finished off by tsunami ( the Storegga event ) . * side note , see the blue 'lake' near 2 ; that and the water behind it , as the sea level rose , the valley between British Isles and Europe had all this water rushing down it and carving out the English Channel ....... a sight to behold ! https://medium.com/@tudorfinneran/doggerland-europes-atlantis-02d6a70e2507

and the 'Specky ' ? You got freckles ? If so .... I think I know who you are https://www.tiktok.com/@jinksyeats/video/7458989048787373345 No Specky ... it ain't ' just sausage in breadcrumbs ' , apparently it was ... raw sausage in breadcrumbs (watch to the end ) .

Before our court case , near everyone abandoned us ( being 4 in number ) and even people on our side ( meaning they would be severely impacted by a decision against us ) had not only that fear , but joined them in their prosecution of themselves .... I know , nuts . Our solicitor and 'big knob' solicitors headed for the hills . Everyone told me to back off . . '' Thats the Attorney - General !!! '' I did a divination from the art of war ; it was about not fearing those in high office with robes and trappings of authority ; they might be dressed up idiots , maybe they got there through bribes, relatives or corruption . I could not have got a clearer message , so I went for it . Tore 'em a new one , I did . [ and yesterday while looking at what AI had to say about our community , it was wrong . I argued with it and it insisted (it said under 'cy-pres' doctrine the Attorney general can seize a communities land and assets if it was set up as a 'spiritual community' and the AG considered it no longer was fulfilling its aims , or they had changed ... what 'spirituality does not evolve or change ? ) . I referred it to our court case and it acknowledged its mistake . I asked if it would change its entry on the subject, include it and show its significance . Now AI shows we had land mark case and win and this has protected all spiritual communities in the state against land and asset seizure by the Attorney General . ] .... you're welcome communes ! ( sarcasm , as no one except a few people can even dimly comprehend the issue and results, even people that were threatened by it ...... roos in the headlights* ! ) * It means a person is so frightened, surprised, or confused by an unexpected situation that they freeze up and are unable to move, think, or react.

No ... it won't . My life doesnt get changed by watching f***ing ' animie clip ' - is this what its come to now ? My life gets changed by observing life . and , by the way , I would have caught the butterfly instead and then released it to fly away ... and spiders dont die if they dont eat a butterfly , plenty of others things for a spider to eat . But you won't learn that from watching animie .

Lucifer means to carry or bring life and was associated to Venus as the 'Morning Star' while Venus as 'Evening Star; was called Noctifur - bringer of night . The name did not have Christian association with their 'Devil ' until the Latin Vulgate bible mis-translation of Isaiah 14 : 12 ; helel . (הֵילֵל), ' shining one' , 'morning star ' - referring to the King of Babylon ( sort of ; you are bright now but will fade and disappear when the Sun rises . ) In theosophy Lucifer is sort of opposite to Ahriman - specifically in anthroposophy - which has its own take on Ahriman . But christians see them as opposites , however Christ and Lucifer are the same linguistically and in Rev 22:16 Jesus claims to be 'bright Morning Star ' - Lucifer . In the later Avesta Ahriman is the destructive spirit ruling over all 'bad ' things and opposing the 'Lord' Ahura Mazda . In the old Avesta 'spirit' is 'mind' (mainyu ) and Ahriman is that potential for our minds to become negative , opposing , evil , selfish, anti-social .

Same in my case .

I already have , in other older posts , in detail . Do a google seach asking about the key words and terms you want to know about including a narrowing that they are to be from daobus forum . As I said above ; if people in refugia (or even larger areas ) didnt (or even still dont ) have social systems that support survival under pressure ... they probably are not around anymore . here is another one , going back to lake Baikal and further east in the Russian Steppe ; veneration of the dog . Not only did it spread over the top to Nth America , traces of the tradition are evident in Zoroastrianism ; which had strict legislation about the dog protecting it , in various levels of 'dog classes' and ( as outlined in the first part of the vid below ) associated with soul transmigration , a bridge crossing and a dog guardian ( here the difference is , on the 'Chinvat Bridge ' you meet your 'Daena' who is accompanied by a dog ) see from 8:27

Who do they look similar to and where did they originate from ? - the women often had lip tattoos , but if one can ignore that ; origins : Basically ( ) they came a 'basal people' ; a very early split off from east Asian hunter gatherers , before the east Asians split into North East Asian and South East Asian people forming the Jamon people who moved further east and then became isolated due to sea level rises during the end of the last ice age . Then they were admixed with people from Siberia , particularly Lake Bikal ( a place I have made many posts and conjectures about ) and also the Tibetan Plateau . They are Japanese people ... the originals .

Errrmmmmmmm , well ..... .

Above it is stated how these people (or the ancestors of the modern Ainu ) contribute to Amerindian populations ; as a curiosity , check this out ; '' Northwest Coast designs are a bit easier to read, sometimes. For example, certain designs such as bears can be identified, but other designs on the bear can be very difficult, for example, frogs coming from the eyes, or wolves on sea bears, both very abstract. More difficult are design elements known collectively as “formline designs.” The known individual elements have been given names such as Ovoid, Tertiary-S, U-form, Split-U, the Salmon-trout’s head, and negative and positive space. Each design element may have countless variations. We don’t know the Native terms for the elements if in fact there were Native terms. '' Historically, other possibilities for east-west artistic influences existed through personal contact or through trade ‘brokers.’ My research reveals oral narratives on both sides of the North Pacific that tell of early contact with each other. Based on interviews of Ainu and Northwest Coast elders from the Tlingit area (now southern Alaska), the Aleutian Islands seem to have been the most logical trans-Pacific route for the Ainu, Aleut and Tlingit peoples. The Aleutian people, neighbors of the Tlingit, certainly traveled east and west, and they no doubt traveled to Kamchatka where the Kamchatka Ainu lived.'' https://apjjf.org/chisato-kitty-dubreuil/2589/article Haida ( Indigenous people of America NW pacific coast ) Some textiles show varied influence ;

You could read Dmitry Ermakov's book as a replacement for the experience ..... eventually he took the journey ... part of it talks about how infamous some trains were around there - due to 'inter ethnic' knife fights on the train .

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I shall look deep into your intestines ..... No, they are full enough of unwanted behavior of other people here . I suggest you top up on what you really want or ... instead I could punish you for not wanting more unwanted behavior ?

and the moral of the story is dont listen to your kids words , astral visit their intestines and see that they are not full but require more of something else so in the future give her less porridge and more of what she wants ?

You mean like the first degree Freemason penalty '' ... and having my throat cut across and my tongue torn out '' 'Symbolic meaning ' of course

No problem .... I do it here all the time, several posters got this from me over the years ;

It does ? I must have missed those wiggly red lines under my clumsy typing