Nungali

Ahaaa ! In that case , I should direct you to 'The Demon Lover.' (somewhere on this site ) . Ohh , then maybe not direct you there . Unless you have switched on to a the opposite form of the succubus ? Your 'Daena' , Nuit, ' The Goddess', your ' Animus Superego' .... or whatever term one chooses to describe it . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daena

It isnt the 'dark energies' used for this work , not for a 'smart' magician . That should have been taken care of long before approaching any magical 'tantric' working : O Lord, deliver me from hell*'s great fear and gloom! Loose thou my spirit from the larvae of the tomb! I seek them in their dread abodes without affright: On them will I impose my will, the law of light. I bid the night conceive the glittering hemisphere. Arise, O sun, arise! O moon, shine white & clear! I seek them in their dread abodes without affright: On them will I impose my will, the law of light. Their faces and their shapes are terrible and strange. These devils by my might to angels I will change. These nameless horrors I address without affright: On them will I impose my will, the law of light. These are the phantoms pale of mine astonied view, Yet none but I their blasted beauty can renew; For to the abyss of hell I plunge without affright: On them will I impose my will, the law of light. 'The Magician' - Eliphas Levi . Perhaps the best use of it is to bring more enlightened and spiritual beings into this world ?

Yes, which is why a fraternity or other similar group has 'its own' ethics . The responsibility of ethics , in magical training, increases via degree ; it starts with fairly simple obligations ( . " ......... , which I swear to uphold " ) and become more specific and particular as one advances eg ' the 7 bonds of brotherhood' attached to and sworn to in a higher degree ' . Morals are more personal, although probably instilled from an outside source earlier , morals are usually a combination of this , with personal interpretation modified by experience . They are instilled ( or not , eg in the case of a sociopath ) via the level of parental / social interaction , and specifically ( but not primarily ) by deep (or lack of any, in the case of a sociopath ) eye contact . Deep loving eye contact therapy has turned around young kids that have started to develop sociopathic tendencies .

Crowley wrote, in Liber Aba that Helpful Demon writes bullshit . Its in there but 'my kindle cant find it ' .

Oh rubbish ! Look, go read Liber Librae .... for a start / I must have posted that up here , including for you , over 10 times !

Yes , so why think you can 'mantra' your way out of it or 'magically escape from it ' or 'cancel it out' .

What ... like you are lying now ? Crowley never said that . If you insist he did , quote and cite , as simple as that . Again you making it up to try and justify your current mood . Morals and ethics are different fish - look it up . Crowley has many books / papers published regarding the subject and each degree ceremony, some to a large extent, have ethical instructions in them . Even by simple outward definition a fraternity must have an ethical code , or it isnt a fraternity . - and in case you didnt realize , the magical groups Crowley was in or ran where fraternal organizations.

if you never felt it like that before , your practices have created energy in you and 'it is filling the voids' . Sexual energy is linked to creativity , it needs an output . Art, create , craft ...... give 'birth' to something new , outside or inside yourself . This will help balance it and not repress it . Learn to transform energies in your self .

You got confused about who you where talking to ? Even though you had my quote in the box you where typing your response to ? Still .... that does not divert from the fact that balanced magical training requires one 'do a course' on ethics and morality . Which, by the way are seen as two entirely different things . Magical training clearly separates them , religious indoctrination tries to blend them together.

Okay thats a pretty weird thing to want to do - he could have picked a smaller animal . .... but any way, as well as what' the Divine' can do with a couple we now have what the Divine can do with a woman and an elephant .

I have done that several times in threads you started , I explained them and why and posted up the documents . This isnt the first time you have asked this either . Not the first time this happened either , fopr you not to know about it, after several communications about that is indicative of ( yet another ) problem . One week you know about it, the next you dont , one week you 'hate God' the next you dont , one week you have given up on magick , the next its your prime philosophy . I have glven up trying to show you or explain things , I merely correct you now for the advantage of new or naive readers that might think things like ; one can practice magick successfully and develop your own morals and ethics or have none or 'decide them by an act of will ' ... or other excuses . Just like anyone would correct another in another forum here ... say on yoga or pranayama if someone was telling people , 'sprouting ' or 'teaching ' to hold your breath and count to 5000 . If you dont like that , you can get a personal page / bloggy thing and post whatever you like there .

Well, at the 'top of the scale' , we are told, God sends a prophet or teacher every so often , and unless one believes Buddha's father was an elephant , or Jesus' father was a dove, 'God' is going to need a couple . At the bottom of the scale , well, it could be EVERY birth ... IF everything is 'according to God's will ' ; إِنْ شَاءَ ٱللَّٰهُ So, unless one can create an homunculus ..... Now now , dont be so uptight ...... would you like a free tantric massage ?

Not only that he didnt even consider the issue that he started off with , that is , " A big part of philosophy is discovering morality and ethics. In Magick, it is left up to the individual to decide what those are. The magician declares their moral truth and acts upon their Will." This is entirely WRONG AND FALSE , and only applies to 'self appointed magician guru enlightened delusionals ' and Chaos Magicians ( same thing really ) . I can affirm my magical training CERTAINLY required me to not only learn about , but to take magical oaths regarding morality and ethics . Actually , previous to that I had not encountered a system so 'interested' in not just ethics but actual actions in ethics as opposed to just empty words saying and writings ... ie it has to be put into practice .

Nah , that not gonna create real wealth ... for 'sufficient' wealth ..... Magick ! Oh ? So, you are an 'economic rationalist capitalist' , eh ?

NO WAY ! Our most important workers ( nurses, paramedics, firemen , police, etc . ) are some of the most underpaid ... the most scrupulous have the larger amount of money under control . Mea culpa .... you just cant keep your head above water comfortably by merely working for money .... it doesnt generate enough . They are often seen as undeserving or having 'bad karma ' .... by those who have more Its just nuts ! A HUGE load of money got injected into my account , I didnt work for it or earn it or anything like that , so I could not really comprehend its value. But it means I can go to 'the hole in the wall' and type in a code and money spits out . One thing you can do though .... try dropping a 50 note occasionally into a paper cup , make someone happy for a day . And they will take it without 'stuff' . I tried sharing some with friends but there was all this stuff associated with it .... they thought they would have to reciprocate in some way , or that I would regret it later or something , or that I was secretly tabulating how many coffees or meals I paid for for them or ..... wtf , I dont know .

Antares ! Brilliant ! That is what we need ! A 'New Age teachers ' forum , separate segment . That would actually SAVE DAOBUMS ! Instead of them 'practicing their teaching ' on Daoists that know what they are talking about , or our vedanbta friends, Yogis, Buddhists, Hermeticists , Martial Artists, etc . They can have their own section to carry on their ..... 'art' there . And when they do what Lairg continually does ( and some others ) their posts just get moved to there . Why did no one think of this before ... and why did it have to take a member that has 'anchored here' from Antares to come up with it? Us Earthlings have to learn to do a LOT better !

" ... and some believe antennas are their leaves that span beyond this galaxy ... " Stevie Wonder - The Secret Life of Plants .

I would LOVE to hear how 'the planet' moves into new astrological signs . This is getting better as it goes along ... and this is in response to : " Can you provide a citation from daoist texts ... "

So NOW you are asking me ? I dont think I can answer the more 'interesting' question though as I have have never had more than two people in a couple relationship . What a great pick-up line ! " Hey baby , wanna help me anchor a star system to planet Earth ? "

The five electricities ( or was that the five eccentricities ? ) ... no , it WAS the 5 electricities : one for the head and two each for ankles and wrists ;

Dude ! Look up 'highway hypnosis' ! Next you will be telling us about the strange state you enter at night where you feel really tired , your body lies down, eyes close and awareness leaves you, yet your mind still imagines things because your 'chakras' are still working . .

Oh yeah . that is a great job for a human tree spirit ; Tree spirits must be rather aggressive, destructive, self - destructive, serial killers against their own species and potentially violent to other humans ( when it comes to protestors trying to protect the trees ) and really bad fighters when they try to beat up protestors ( that have trained in martial arts ) . The weird thing is , tree spirits are not like that at all ... until they 'become human' , then some unusual change comes over them . Perhaps the cosmic wisdom of Lairg can explain that one ?

Ummmm .... yes . I found it hard to take the question seriously and that someone would NOT know about this .... also that 'divine usage' can be with a single person .

He used to be a pool cleaner .

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