Nungali

No . and thats just what I thought when you suggested 'consciousness changes weather ' ie.. some new age stuff . Not what mcoolio was suggesting (unless I got it wrong , I assumed it was a change in conscienceless from that consciousness that got us in the climate change mess in the first place ) . Your suggestion reminds me of my last wacky but beautiful GF , also a great songwriter and singer . She was singing one of her songs to me and one line stood out : " When I am sad I make it rain and when I am happy the sun shines ." I asked if that line was not the wrong way around ... answer : " I know what I wrote ! " New new Age Hippy Song : " I let the sunshine , I let the sunshine in, I le - eet the Sun shine in ... [ Remember the first part of that song folks ? This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius Age of Aquarius Aquarius Aquarius Harmony and understanding Sympathy and trust abounding No more falsehoods or derisions Golden living dreams of visions Mystic crystal revelation And the mind's true liberation PS . That 'unbelievable facts ' web page on Coober Pedy didnt list a single unbelievable fact ?

Fascinating language I dont mean ALL their languages .... THE language they use to communicate wit each other PNG Pigin ... developed from trying to understand the English of the first Aussie 'overlords' that went there . Heyoo boi , yoo pickimup carry , no buggerimup ... yoo fuckimarse , no pay, no kai kai ! hey, you ... boy (even if its a man. 'Pidgin' ... in pidgin.... is tokboi ' how boys talk ' ... 'boy' as in ; " Boy! Get my bag, carry it for me ! ), pick up that stuff and carry it , and dont you drop it and break it ..... if you keep breaking it and not doing the job right , no money of food for you . " ( or an old favourite - a Highlander explaining to another what he saw in the city .... his first piano : " Big box, with black and white teeth, you hit im, fellah inside sing out nice . "

I resent that ! Most people would put me in the top 3 . Well that could be another discussion, but I was referring there to something different . it seems an inability to maintain, or a deliberate attempt to muddle, communication , in the way I outlined . For example some people do not exhibit a trace of that ... you dont .... I see it as something fairly easy to identify in someone's writing 'style ' or inability to connect logic reason research facts etc . Its the modern IT disease . Look into it , interesting and rather scary ( for the herd) . and these are just the people that had a mild influence when young .... now little babies are being exposed to it, imagine what they will be like as adults ! " I was amused when I saw her looking at a magazine cover photo and trying to enlarge it with her thumb and forefinger. Her look was one of perplexity, as she realized the image couldn't be manipulated using the pinch-to-zoom motion, such as when using a smartphone. After a few tries, she gave up and walked away. " https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2020/04/29/technology-is-on-the-rise-while-iq-is-on-the-decline/?sh=6f860230b103 What I practice now is ultimately connected to environment ... Aboriginal 'Shamanism' ( for want of a better word ). The 'weather Gods' thing reminded me of some old posts I made here , about the 'Lightening Brothers' and other stuff .... its probably in the inaccessible depths of the DBs basement by now . I am not sure about your last question regarding processes here in the past .... ancient past . In the recent past we have done things like that with a larger community . I have a plan to re install it to some extent . The part of the commune I live on has 4 sites associated with it , I won;t go into the past chaos problems and all that , but recently , two of those sites have been bought by new people - both single women, capable, intelligent and care for the environment ... and they have money - the development of gardens, house site , house extensions facilities, et. is rather phenomenal ( yesterday my next door had 3 different teams of tradies there ! ) and now one has asked me if we can get together as a little hamlet , pool resources and start paddock management and regeneration . I could not be happier about that . Then I told them that I did soil science at Uni, used to be the preparations maker for Biodynamic Agriculture Australia , have research papers I wrote ( and now they are reading them ) on development of local geology ,type and structure of soils , past soil test records , etc etc . Anyway, my point is I plan to do exactly as you outlined above ... for this little group , we are all going to get together and make a ritual offering to 'the environmental forces' by using BD 500 and an 'offering preparation' as the first stage of repair . Its simple easy and a good way to start , we can stir it together , sing into it together ( those girls love singing ! ) and walk around and sprinkle it together . ( We have plans to draw a fourth in who wants to buy one of the other empty houses in this part of the commune , another single woman , with a great little girl .... and she just sold a house so has money * and she is capable too - runs bee hives and produces medicinal products .... these three women in a matter of 2 weeks turned the defunct and near derelect old tofu factory into a bright happy clean sterile alchemical honey lab ! I have to say it : I got sooo sick and tired of male dickheads here ... basically wrecking the place ... these new women ! and the guys associated with them .... are not the boss of the household , they are not full time residents here , they come, work accomplish, help dont interfere , friendly , NO rivalry or .... WTF ! have I died and gone to heaven or something ? Changing / developing human higher consciousness is probably the ultimate aim in magick, of course starting with the self . * Money has allowed good development ... this place has had years of hippies with no personal funds to look after their patches properly .

For goodness sakes man ! Put some colour (scales) in to 'your' work .

I hope all this hot air we are generating isnt heating the atmosphere more . But you did remind me of something that happened during our extreme bushfire crisis . It wasnt just one threat ... it was weeks long imminent threat , extremely hot and dry and ferocious winds with the surrounding country burning and hemming us in . The wind was bad as you knew if one spark or ember came into that ... well, you would not want to be anywhere near it . So I did 'my thing ' * . The weather didnt change . The first thing that happened though was I was 'removed' from the situation . A mate who lived some 100km away on the coast , used to live in our valley and was in the VFS ( nearly all rural firefighters are volunteers here ) and was asked if he would return back to the valley to help fight fires . He asked if he could stay at my place . I told him I was evacuating (as most had ) and said yes and he said I could stay at his place . And ow my place now has firefighters living in it ... if any thing is going to be saved , its going to be where the firefighters have made camp ! So, all of a sudden I am removed from danger , have a holiday house in a beautiful natural place - beaches , lagoon , cafe for breakfast , even old ruins to explore , a beach house, a bedroom with cool sea air blowing through it at night and the sound of the surf to lull me to sleep . ... and my own beach More unusual events unfolded , including an unexpected change in weather and gradually the danger subsided . But as I said earlier , I didnt want another summer like that so did 'some thing ' * and its been wet ever since . But this is 'within the system' of climate change though . I dont think it did or was supposed to address that . And yes ...... okay then , that IS a big 'ask ' ; to change the planets climate ..... maybe if we just nudge the planet's orbit a few 1000 km out from the Sun ....... - your argument seems more valid to me now . I guess I wasnt looking at the impersonal aspect - generally ( but then again , if someone can magically change the massive momentum of my opinion ..... maybe they CAN shift the planet ! ) Anyway , my next ' trick' - gonna stop the tide coming in ; - Damn ! Got wet socks now . * The 'stuff' I do is probably NOTHING like what Donald does , I would not even call what I do 'weather magic' and the events that unfolded didnt have much to do with me ( except the initial vague 'ask' to fix the issue ) .

I have viewed three of First Contact ' films ; the first films ever made of American Indians and first contact films of PNG and also Australian Aboriginals ( anthropological studies ) ... magnificent , well worth viewing ; Full sets are hard to get due to censorship ( embarrassment of white people , they shot some people there and then dominated them) But this section of the PNG part of the trilogy - Mount Hagen - is 'gold' : Big bird is coming !

Dude , that isnt the problem ...thats the function of definition ! Hang on , this was qualified in your first sentence , ie relating to definitions as a mental construct ... not all mental constructs . If a word has too limited definitions to contain an expanding mental construct , then add more words , or adopt some from another language . Unless you didnt mean that at at all and where actually asking ; what if a mental construct limits things beyond mental constructs ( which is actually yht literal meaning of what you wrote ) . If you are still talking about 'the reality' as something beyond a mental construct , then I would suggest relating to it with those faculties we have that are beyond mental constructs . Or you could just go with the whole above mish mash in some type of new agey teaching / justification to be able to 'validly ' 'teach' , declare 'wisdom', twist meanings or even change the meaning of a single word to suit your own ...... whatever it is that is going on for you . " I thought you said you where ready to leave 15 minutes ago ? " " What does 'ready' actually mean though ? And time is a non spiritual construct , besides , the Buddha nature of my make up allows for possible alternate universe cross fluctuations .... and how do you know that watch of your is not really running backwards ? "

Good . I said 'not necessarily' and it was in response to your statement . My example is general and is one approach , that is what I meant , I was in no way suggesting that Donald was doing that . But I find your two above sentences a little confusing - you asked , " say we do manage to use some kind magik thing to restore the balance " and then posed ; " Did we really give a 'nudge' in the source? " That would depend IF the type of 'magic thing' we did , DID work on nudging the source . Look, I have NO idea whatsoever IF that is part of Donald's workings or not . But I have no reason to assume he is ignorant of all this . Like I said , who knows even what his working was ? He did outline concern and a need to address a dangerous situation . Lets say he has already rung for the ambulance and is now trying to staunch the bleeding due to the immediate threat ..... for all I know, he might also work as a medic ... or be sitting on the climate change council , or be a front line lobbyist or protestor or .... I think its valid ..... impersonal questions ... to do with the ethics of magic ... and I might cane some idiot or crazy person here that is posting and respond as you have . All I can say is read his stuff and then come to any personal conclusions . Of course, that is what I do too ... but it took bloody hard work and magical 'trickery' to get there . However , when bushfire seriously threatened my community .... in a climate change event .... I certainly didnt hesitate to use 'weather magic' . It is, sadly, human consciousness , yes, it generated in part by 'lower unconscious forces' . Perhaps what you mean is , humans do not generally operate from the 'superconscious' ? Yeah . That is the idea generally . It is good if its valid . But some times its .... cyclical .... and that gets us old timers cantankerous sometimes No ? What is it ? I have practically ZERO experience in Avestan spiritual components whatsoever , I have no idea what I'm talking about

I specialise in number 3 ( and how it is the basic pattern of the 'ideal' world and generates a '4th principle ' that causes a 'leap over' into the basic 4 pattern in the material world .... yeah, I know its five in traditional Chinese system ) I dont know much about the Chines system at all, but I bet , since this 3 : 4 system is universal , I can quickly find some . I will go with Daoism as it is the simplest (ie it contains THE wisdom but in a very basic and essential form ) : The Tao begot one. One begot two. Two begot three. And three begot the ten thousand things. Various ways of looking at that . But essentially The Tao begot one. One begot two. Two begot three. That's the essential 3 step principle of the 'ideal' world ( or mental world of concepts without form) It causes 'manifestation' in the 'real' world of the four-fold elements : ... And three begot the ten thousand things. In case you are interested in 'threes' in other systems and traditions ( Hindu Buddhist, astrology, Tarot, Kabbalah, hermetic, etc ) :

Finally, I am glad I am getting old . And find such casual modern 'non-speak' not worth interpreting . I'm gonna go and sit by the river instead ... and enjoy the sunshine . ( Update - yes, our rain went away , to the east ... off towards 'that midpoint ' - the 'el Nino / la Nina ' swap over ... in diagram 2) . Be interesting to see what happens to the next lot of supposed rain predicted in a few days .

I'd be looking a little deeper into Donalds 'published' work here on DBs before making such a statement . Not necessarily .... this IS a Daoist website . Would I use magick 'downstream' to change the course of a river when I can 'nudge' its source in a spring a 'little to the left' . and you say its against nature ????? Ummmm .... how do you think the present climate change situation came about ? Look at the the three diagrams I posted . What would ideally be required is a RETURN to the natural balance ( the top image ) Well, I suppose that could be ONE definition of magic . The other one is ALL ABOUT change ... but making change in the way you outline . Think about my above analogy of changing the course of a river . Take your idea too far and ...Down here we call that ; 'Not giving a shit' . I cant see Donald as the Nero type You must have a 'unique perspective' on what magic is then ? I would hope we can help change consciousness with magic ( which is what it should be about ) so more people want to take on the personal life challenges that addressing climate change is going to entail ... for all of us . ( Well, not me , I'll be dead before that really kicks in .... good luck guys . ) Do you realise what unbelievable HAVOC that would cause ? Just look at the power of human consciousness though out our history ! It reads like some type of violent psychopathic monster ! You would need a ' mass mind sieve ' first too get rid of all the bad crap . Then lets all stop the usual Daobums BS and give him a chance fer Gawds sake !

he is one of those new guys ... the 'new consciousness' man ! I'll have to explain it to you becasue you are SOOOO old school ... get with it dude ! It works like this : you write on a subject you have studied and have experience in .... lets say eg. Yoga . I read it , rush off to do a google search, find whatever ( it doesnt matter what ) 'stuff' on the internet and then plaster your thread with it . if you respond , I will talk illogical unconnected nonsense back at you GOSH ! Its getting so bad here that one might be driven off to another forum that doesnt allow crap like that

Well, if you are going to sample and plaster such stuff in this thread ..... I am going to sample a bit of of your plastering lets see what does your 'reference' state .... " I’m not a weather witch, but I am gifted at whistling up (or blowing out, since I can’t whistle) the wind ." That says it all and I might suggest he isnt the only one that is 'gifted in blowing out the wind' . By the way ..... I am a gifted magical singer ! I cant sing though , so I just mouth the words .

I remember once during a bushfire ' someone's consciousness' thought we needed big rain so they asked an Aboriginal shaman to do something about that . His response ? " No , everybody getting bad ideas and making bad spirits ... they all need a big smoking ceremony ." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_ceremony

Ummm .... that was a response in relation to your comment " I am one step away from being a master of Wisdom" The obvious ( to anyone ) connotation is ... ahhh , forget it !

But you won't . In any case the set has what Gems has in it so its full of Magick too . I tell ya what might be easy and more accessible ! dont bother buying all those expensive books or re reading your old pdfs (if you ever read them in the first place ? ) If you a are feeling a bit clearer ( today ) just simply re read everything I have posted in response to you

Ohhh HD ... what are we gonna do with you ? Do you realise what is in Gems from the Equinox ... it has rather a lot of 'Magick' in it .

No, not to me it isnt . That is the standard definition .

You're welcome .

You believe it but dont know any details about it . Okay then . - this thread has a 'curious' title .

That is why I was constantly reminding people to 'check the tense' of the phrase : Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law In other places Crowley says very clearly that it is a state to come after a lot of training development and balancing . And in society at large , the same ( if such a thing is possible ? ) .

Look, we hear all sorts of BS I doubt anything gives EVERYONE who practices it, a stage of cancer . Anyone that believed that , I would suggest, needs a large dose of discernment BEFORE investigating ANY system . Then if you dont plan to practice it ... just drop the interest and start working on what you DO plan to practice .... if you have a plan .

The rain predicted here for the last few days did not manifest . Now they say we have a week of sunshine . Another batch of rain is supposed to come after that . .... we shall see I suppose . Australian meteorology says La Nina has ended .... but they are giving high % it will start up again soon .... ? for those that dont understand why I am citing this or how USA and Aussie weather are related ;

At least you seem to be getting the concept that 'Do what thou Wilt' requires some advancement in consciousness , thinking , practice and training and it snt a license for all to engage in a free for all murder spree / sex brawl in the street - that you started off with .