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What exactly is carlos castaneda's "personal power" ?
Nungali replied to waterdrop's topic in General Discussion
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Nungali replied to Jamyang Khedrup's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Connection of Neter to Sirius would be Sop-det not A-set ( Isis) . maybe you are referring to the ' Isis temples' alignment t at Dendera and Philae to Sirius ? -
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The boats sterring wheel is connected to the eagles heart . Interesting , what do you think that means . My question was actually more about ; why do you connect this picture to " depiction of the ruler of Shambhala - greeting a relative from the dog/wolf star (Sirius). " ? -
Well, we could go down that avenue . Aiwass or a version of that can be a first name in Egypt . Crowely says the 'voice' that dictated to him' seemed t come from an area of the room (in Cairo ) near the curtains . That voice also called itself 'The Waiter' Was the hotel waiter called 'Aiwah' hiding behind the curtains playing with Crowley while he was clearly out of it . ? others see in the diary at the time that it was actually Rose's voice . Ww have to remember NONE of this was crowley;s idea ,it was insisted at by his wife Rose , he claimed it was all rubbish, the messages she was getting in Egypt ... she was carried away by it al and started getting messages in museums from statures and thngs . otlining a ritual he should do he said it was all imaginatuve women;s rubbish with no deep hermetic understanding of the principles but he would do it anyway to prove to her nothing would come of it . he toght nothing would, tolde her 'See ! " and tossed the ntebook i with his other books and forgot abut it . Perhaps Rose should be the 'Prophet of Thelema' ? Here is another of her with her 'Supremus Magistimus' husband You think so ? I am always giving insignificance to what is given to me from 'on high' . Sometimes it takes me years to accept, process and realise . I am often cursing myself for being such an idiot ! Like a goanna , you toss em food, they know its about, they can smell it about and searching, sometimes going right past it ! then eventually : " There it is! Right under my nose all the time ! " I am glad they' are SOOOO patient with me/us !
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Nungali replied to Jamyang Khedrup's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Ta - DAAAAR ! Not these days, but more recent than old Leo ; Swedenborg . https://swedenborg.com/emanuel-swedenborg/about-life/ and Scientific period The Flying Machine, sketched in his notebook from 1714. The operator would sit in the middle and paddle himself through the air.[22] p. 32, or on the video clip at 5:48 on its timeline.[23] In 1715, aged 27, Swedenborg returned to Sweden, where he devoted himself to natural science and engineering projects for the next two decades. A first step was his meeting with King Charles XII of Sweden in the city of Lund, in 1716. The Swedish inventor Christopher Polhem, who became a close friend of Swedenborg, was also present. Swedenborg's purpose was to persuade the king to fund an observatory in northern Sweden. However, the warlike king did not consider this project important enough, but did appoint Swedenborg to be assessor-extraordinary on the Swedish Board of Mines (Bergskollegium) in Stockholm.[24] From 1716 to 1718, aged 30, Swedenborg published a scientific periodical entitled Daedalus Hyperboreus ("The Northern Daedalus"), a record of mechanical and mathematical inventions and discoveries. One notable description was that of a flying machine, the same he had been sketching a few years earlier.[21] In 1718, Swedenborg published an article that attempted to explain spiritual and mental events in terms of minute vibrations, or "tremulations". Upon the death of Charles XII, Queen Ulrika Eleonora ennobled Swedenborg and his siblings. It was common in Sweden during the 17th and 18th centuries for the children of bishops to receive that honor, as a recognition of the services of their father. The family name was changed from Swedberg to Swedenborg.[25] In 1724, he was offered the chair of mathematics at Uppsala University, but he declined and said that he had dealt mainly with geometry, chemistry and metallurgy during his career. He also said that he did not have the gift of eloquent speech because of a stutter, as recognized by many of his acquaintances; it forced him to speak slowly and carefully, and there are no known occurrences of his speaking in public.[26] The Swedish critic Olof Lagerkrantz proposed that Swedenborg compensated for his impediment by extensive argumentation in writing.[27] New direction of studies ahead of his time During the 1730s, Swedenborg undertook many studies of anatomy and physiology. He had the first known anticipation of the neuron concept.[28] It was not until a century later that science recognized the full significance of the nerve cell. He also had prescient ideas about the cerebral cortex, the hierarchical organization of the nervous system, the localization of the cerebrospinal fluid, the functions of the pituitary gland, the perivascular spaces, the foramen of Magendie, the idea of somatotopic organization, and the association of frontal brain regions with the intellect. In some cases, his conclusions have been experimentally verified in modern times.[29][30][31][32][33] In the 1730s, Swedenborg became increasingly interested in spiritual matters and was determined to find a theory to explain how matter relates to spirit. Swedenborg's desire to understand the order and the purpose of creation first led him to investigate the structure of matter and the process of creation itself. In the Principia, he outlined his philosophical method, which incorporated experience, geometry (the means by which the inner order of the world can be known) and the power of reason. He also outlined his cosmology, which included the first presentation of his nebular hypothesis. (There is evidence that Swedenborg may have preceded Kant by as much as 20 years in the development of that hypothesis.[34]) In 1735, in Leipzig, he published a three-volume work, Opera philosophica et mineralis ("Philosophical and mineralogical works") in which he tried to conjoin philosophy and metallurgy. The work was mainly appreciated for its chapters on the analysis of the smelting of iron and copper, and it was the work that gave Swedenborg his international reputation.[35] The same year, he also published the small manuscript de Infinito ("On the Infinite") in which he attempted to explain how the finite is related to the infinite and how the soul is connected to the body. It was the first manuscript in which he touched upon such matters. He knew that it might clash with established theologies since he presented the view that the soul is based on material substances.[36][37] He also conducted dedicated studies of the fashionable philosophers of the time such as John Locke, Christian von Wolff, Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, and Descartes and earlier thinkers such as Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus and Augustine of Hippo.[38] In 1743, at the age of 55, Swedenborg requested a leave of absence to go abroad. His purpose was to gather source material for Regnum animale (The Animal Kingdom, or Kingdom of Life), a subject on which books were not readily available in Sweden. The aim of the book was to explain the soul from an anatomical point of view. He had planned to produce a total of 17 volumes.[39] -Wiki. a piece on using Swedenborg's system within 'possession' cases in psychiatry ( which also reflects magical principles of evocation ) https://selfdefinition.org/hearing-voices/articles/wilson-van-dusen-presence-of-spirits-in-madness.htm -
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DUDE ! I know WHO Leonardo is As I said, I am unfamilar with THAT picture - the Tauranardo comment was a joke referring to the ' bull pilot ' as opposed to a Lion pilot as in Leo (lion) nardo . -
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Nungali replied to Jamyang Khedrup's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Oh my Goodness NO ! Doubts ? About American education system ? Nooooooooo ! I'm a full blood Aussie from the era of FREE university education . Just turn up, sign in for whatever you want to study, all free . God bless Goff Whitlam ! -
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Nungali replied to Jamyang Khedrup's topic in Buddhist Discussion
Anyway , to summarize this thread so far : My idea about Shambala and location; Jamyang Khedrup's idea about Shambala and its location MONGOL EXPANSION UNDER HULAGU 1258 (H3) -
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Nungali replied to Jamyang Khedrup's topic in Buddhist Discussion
It is ? Who is who ? The 'ruler' is atop the World I guess and Sirius is a bull in ship going through the heavens ? and its a Leonardo ? Which Leonardo ? You'd think he would have made the bull a lion ... uless it was actually drawn by 'Tarunardo ' . -
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Nungali replied to Jamyang Khedrup's topic in Buddhist Discussion
No, you are not talking about 'Old Bon' and its horrible human sacrificing cult . You are talking about Ghengis Khan's grandson who had human sacrifice at his funeral being a great Buddha and a Universal Messiah . Any wonder I am laughing at that ? And you write this after quoting a bit about Shenrab Miwo , who is clearly acknowledged as a Buddha ? Black or White Tengri ? Lairg and myself seem to be the only people monitering this thread ... and keeping an eye on you and reigning you in. The efforts are not to bring this to Bon ... they are to bring it back to Shambala ... the real Shambala as described in the texts - not his one you making up about it being the western mongol Empire all the way to Turkey, and claiming a violent Mongul Warlord is Universal Maitreya and all given validity becasue some distant relative of yours held a minor place of servitude in some court , and your claim to be able to speak Tibetan . I can say the same . So who is right ? I am sure the reader can make up their own mind here . I am going on the info in the texts, you are going on ... well, what you have outlined here . You also might have noticed that no one else is interested . I see, he became Moslem, was Moslem all his life, was a war lord, had human sacrifice at his burial ... but that was all a 'sham' so he could infiltrate Islam and destroy it from the inside to save Buddhism and the world from the hideous faith of Islam . And you are not being political here . I suggest you read up on where this whole concept of a 'new world order ' - 'Shambala to come ' - 'new Jerusalem ' and where it came from : in history, the Zoroastrian concept of the person, Saoshyant and the place ( to come - the new world - the civilisation the Sayoshant brings ) Frashokeret this is where historically eschatology came from https://www.britannica.com/topic/eschatology Prehistorically, it arrived in Central Asia from the Northern Steppe , via IE and east Siberian migrating pastoralists ( and their shamen ) along with many core precepts and ethics we still hold today . originally it probably came from their homeland refugia during the ice age and memories of that place ( like a Garden of Eden amidst the ice ) and a promised return to such a society and place . In that regard I would suggest looking into Lake Baikal ( and not just because I had an original whim , but becasue years of research often pointed in that direction, and which I had previously known nothing about ) . -
... and I might add You have jumped miles ahead of our 'Old Bob' here . - Isn't 'Old Bob' another name for the devil ? * ( Crowley ain't the only one that throws in some bitchiness sometimes ) * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_the_Devil
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Reading the Book of the Law 'by itself ' and attempting to interpret it , WITHOUT the authors further explanations is BOUND TO led to 'difficulties' - Crowley warns about this continually . Still , at times, he admits he DID interpret it wrong .... he didnt even credit it at first with any significance , it wasnt until later, that subsequent events seemed to indicate to him it had some validity . I dont recommend studying it alone ... and he even forbid discussion on it ! I think we know why now .... look at the trouble and confusion its caused here ! IMO it a blend of some prophetic vision , some insight about the times to come , a lot of his own 'psychological surrealism', some valid hermetic symbolism and a bit of bitchiness . Just like most 'scripture'. But you might have showed him a thing or two HD ! here you where railing against it .... and now, after much perseverance you have started to see , perhaps, some value in the concept ?
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Oh ... my ears started tingling It does not " promotes doing one's Will at all costs " .... you dont understand the system that is in place to help with all of this ... you are trying to sail that stormy sea with no charts, compass or knowledge of the stars, waves and wind . Just one example - 5o is a 'Rosicrucian degree' and in that one may choose to stay and not advance in rder to serve and assist others up to that level ... sort of like a Bodhisattva 'trip' ... in this situation one puts it 'on hold' to assist others ... i all sorts of ways . But you could be right, as this might be an essential stage .... I know that after my 10 years working in the hospital , nursing the sick, helping the infirm and elderly , washing their old bodies , changing their soiled beds , bringing a little joy in their lives .... things really took off for me after that .... and my 'dreams ' really started to manifest . I had no idea at the time why I was doing it though . Now I have come to the realisation that there is a greater reflection in all of this ... much of our life experience is probably geared towards 'training' for 'which is yet to come ' ... beyond this life . As fas as ' slaves serving ' ..... nothing wrong with that , as long as they are treated well and liberated if they want to be ( not even if the Will to be ... one has to be flexible with others 'wants and wills' ... otherwise its oppression and oppression is the exact opposite of the 'Law of Thelema' .
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You hit me with a lot of questions that would be interesting to explore ..... I wanted to get the above out first though to avoid a mish - mash of answers to your many interesting questions , we can look at these later ... after the above has been liked, hated, discussed, abused, twisted, or ignored ... depending on who responds.
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Okay , if you read that italicised bit , thats in the the post I was referring to - I started looking for it , in this thread , from the beginning .. But ... .... this thread .... Oh well, 'masked' is gone now ... moving along ... In the past during conversations about this subject in our group we came up with the following questions that seemed revelent to us regarding finding one's True Will. First we looked at trends in early childhood - a parent should watch for them and an individual should try to remember them ... significant unusual or 'magical' events that stand out ... especially multiple ones that link together over time . Baby might have a fascination with something , Eg. I used to have a market stall , a couple with a baby in arms, not ye a toddler come up to it , baby looks .... well, like a little Mongolian Buddha ... a lot of babies kinda do but this one had thick very dark hair and complexion and looked very unlike the parents ... he sparked up immediately when seeing the stuff on my stall ; bell, dorjes, tingshaws, etc . started jiggling up and down and giggling . I was talking to the parents ; What a beautiful baby , he seems very aware and in his body, for his age . And they are saying ; Yes, a few people have commented on that , and no he isnt adopted , he doesnt look much like us , and yes, he is very calm , amazing actually , never gives us any trouble . I tinged the tingshaws for him and he LOVED it, stretched his hand out for them, so I gave them to him . The look on that babes face ! The parents even commented " he likes those ! " Then the conversation turned to the babies looks, they laughed ' Oh yes, our friends call him 'The Little Buddha ' . Oh, others have noticed that, it isnt my imagination . I ventured into a converse about reincarnation , they seemed wary and a bit incredulous " What ? You think he might be a reincarnated monk or something ? " I said I thought a LOT of Tibetan Buddhist monks have been killed in the last decade ... a LOT , temples razed to the ground , etc . I would not be surprised if they started showing up in the west , its a bit of a safer environment now . " I guess that was a bit much for them, they decided to leave and take baby away from the strange man and went to take the tingshaw off baby to hand back .... nope . A tug of war ensued , baby was determined , they tried to coax him but he resorted to screaming and a tantrum, he wasnt gonna let go of those tingshaws. parents are freaking out ; " Whats wrong with him, he never behaves like this ?" Me ; " You should buy them for him . " , struggle struggle ... bawl ! ... " or I could just give them to you ." Nope . Parents can be weird sometimes . They fought the bub, prised his little fingers open got the one remaining tigshaw off him and carried him off crying ... away from the strange man and his 'sales ploy ' . yes, a story but , to me, its these type of indications that we should pay attenton to ... and why should not bay have a tingshaw if tats what he wants ? Now some mght say , a little boy that sees a fire engine, falls in love with it, always wants to be a fireman and then becomes one - that is not his True Will, its just psychological programming . Let's leave that for the moment ( but at this point I will sy , there might nit be that much difference between the two , the urge might create the program in the first place . Look for things in the child , or try to remember your own proclivities, attractions, gravitations , what does or did the child like, feel an affinity to, want to be a part of . Where they or you a loner, a group person , easily taking the role of a leader etc . Look at their natural abilities and co ordinations , what they are good at and / or attracted to . Patterns are probably more important than single instances . Then there are external factors such as luck and 'coincidence' ..... maybe little Johhny did want to become a fireman just because he saw a fire engine race by one day and he was impressed by the men and the uniforms they wore and wanted to be like them ... maybe we could discount that ... but if a whole lot of other things happened connected 'randomly' to it ; maybe he wins a prize not knowing what it is and its a fire engine, somehw he gets offered a ride in a fire engine . Some thing catches on fire when he happens to be there and he puts it out with the hose .... 'indicators from the Universe' - something like that . Sometimes its like a jigsaw puzzle , we spend years going from thing to thing, maybe acquiring different skills that seem urelated and in later life we realise they are all needed for a single thing or course of action - the Sufi story ' Fatima the rope maker ' is an excellent example of that . I particulalry like that as it reflects my process . In the ppast I was often 'hurled' into something, some area of study or practice . I had no idea why at the time , then when I switched to something else I thought I had been wasting time . later they all came together ... the fractured kalaidascope resolved into a stuck back together jig saw and then I saw the picture it was depicting .... it was rather an enlightening and insightful process ! Its like a different example : I spent many years studying 'unrelated ' subjects, without knowing why . It wasnt really a choice, I was 'driven' to it, attracted by them. Later I realised they where all the essential subjects of anthropology ... and after I studied that more, I realised it was but a node of the bigger subject . So I would look at things like what we are attracted to and love , and what we love doing ... I mean, on a deep level, something that gives us real satisfaction and joy in doing ... something that makes us feel 'fulfilled' . Try to collate that with the 'magic indicators' ( like the stuff mentioned above ) look for inherent skills , talents and attractions . The 'theory' also states 'every man and every woman is star ' - every person has their own true Will and path, that is, each of us hides or expresses a gem of genius within . There is only one of you, in the whole Universe , your particular gem and what you bring to offer may be entirely unique . The idea of magical training in Thelema is to bring out this genius and realise your full potential . It might be to be a painter, a builder , a mother ... what it is is not important , what is important is finding and doing it . the result, if it all works is ; imagine doing the thing you love most, which gives real satisfaction in life , and particularly , this current life - YOUR life ; this incarnation , its you view, your genius tat is contributing and you are valued for it . Your creativity is being expressed - your spirit and soul has a 'creative and appreciate output' - its the opposite of depression, wondering why you are here , or feeling caught up in a senseless and pointless system . - The thing is many societies worked this way previously , especially indigenous societies ... you dont need a complex society for this to work . Another point is, we should not assume all need to find their True Will ; 1. Some are just 'born into it ' and know about it already ... I have even had a kid become very affronted about it . When I was teaching , I introduced the idea to a year 10 class ( in a Steiner School, so unusual subjects where already on the table ) , some where lost in the concept , some got it and had a burning desire to peruse it but this one kid already knew what t was , what it was going to be when he left school, he had already started setting it up .... he virtually told me off for me assuming he didnt know what it was and should be trying to find it and basically , told me off and 'put me in my place ' ... it was a good experience and demonstration for the class - see ! Some of us already know clearly what it is . Crowley recommended an in depth examination of past lives ; how could one know any trend in 'education' or 'service' (over incarnations ) without realising the previous chapters and overall plot . he has some complex meditations and exercises to that end . Anyway the resultant is hopefully like that passage I already quoted the other day ( here ? ) " ... thus we gather up all the threads of human passion and interest, and weave them into an harmonious tapestry, subtly and diligently with great art, that our Order may seem an ornament even to the Stars that are in the Heavens at Night. In our rainbow-coloured texture we set forth the glory of the whole Universe--See thou to it, brother Magician, that thine own thread be strong, and pure, and of a colour brilliant in itself, yet ready to mingle in all beauty with those of thy brethren! " Some have observed that they like this concept BUT ... 2. ... most people feel they would graduate towards the paths and careers I mentioned above ... who is gonna man the factories , do the drudgeries ... press your clothes and offer you tea ? Well, I might be veering towards a 'libertarian precipice here' and this might open a whole other can of worms for some but ... Not everyone wants to be free - I would urge generally for individual liberation ..... if that is you Will , but apparently it isnt for all. We should not FORCE peoples freedom on them . I have seriously known people to willingly not want to advance , to stay where they are, do something menial and be taken care of . Thats okay, not all of us might be ready yet and need some care and assistance . I think this is what is behind the 'big miss' in Crowley's writing ; " The slaves shall serve ' and the kings shall rule . That doesnt mean some rise up and become kings and make others their slaves against their Will . It should be a call to greater liberation ..... but every 'slave' or 'servant must be given every opportunity and assistance if they choose to work for their own advancement . Marcello Motta had two servants . Being a renown Thelemite, some visitors where shocked to have two full grown men wait on them - what a horrible way to treat a human .... he should 'set them free' . And then what do they do ? This was in south America , would they go back to the poverty of their village or town life and no longer be able to support their family . One visitor even challenged Motta on it and called him a hypocrite - he touted True Will, liberty, freedom , yet here he was sitting in his house getting served drinks by menials " His response was very interesting IMO ; 'They are not menials , we are all equals. I hired two servants and made them both the same offer , one accepted , he could work here, get accommodation and food, some time off, an allowance and his medical taken care of . If he wants to study and expand his career or for a profession he can get extra time off for that and I will pay for the tuition . One of the servants took up the offer and has passed the study for his entry into electrical engineering . The other thanked me but politely refused , he is happy just to be a servant, have roof over his head, not be hungry and fed . If thats what he wants , I should not interfere . ' We should not force or concepts of true Will onto others and also in the area of what OTHERS want we should be flexible with definitions about want , will and True Will . But with ourselves we should be very particular not to confuse our own wants, wills, and True Wills . I'll end there, its a much bigger subject, this was just a few words to answer the original question, and besides, I would be surprised if more than three people have read this far through this post .
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Good. That gives you a head start . If it where not the case , proceed the same way ... it might be easier or harder . Okay, I guess I will have to go searching for it and then post it here - to give a clear concept at the beginning .... and something . Yes. But the 'formation of some guardian angel like thing ' is a bit different from exploring what one's True Will might be. The two concepts are crucially connected, but for now, to explore that might complicate things .
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I think its all a sham . -
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Nungali replied to Jamyang Khedrup's topic in Buddhist Discussion
I dont have to . I also would not even have to have written and shown all I did in my articles on Shambala to discredit you .... ... you are doing a fine job of that yourself . -
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Nungali replied to Jamyang Khedrup's topic in Buddhist Discussion
You would like people to judge for themselves ? Okay, lets look at some issues that might impact on that judgment : You are claiming a rampaging Mongol Warlord son of Genghis Khan , that swept through west Asia , killed and conquered all the way to Turkey, was a Moslem (until just before he died ) and had human sacrifice at his funeral .... is the 'Universal Messiah of Buddhism' and his resultant Empire is Shamballa , even though it in no way fits the descriptions in texts . You validity to claim this was your supposed 'connections' to royalty ... and now you are claiming to officially represent a view of a royal house to give your wacky ideas some weight . Its laughable ! Then you start this post with " I'd like to know if you'd like to make a new thread about the many names of the King of Shambhala with seven different examples of the name Shams al-Din cropping up in various parts of Hulagu's empire during his reign ? " Then you tell me what I should call that thread . Then you say will start the new thread right here now ... by adding a post to THIS thread . I should not be surprised , all sorts of confusions and mix ups are throughout your posts - I should realise that someone who is so confused about Shamballa and is obviously morphing the truth to suit their own prejudices is going to have a general confusion about most things - including not being able to communicate properly ... on a very basic level . Then things start to get even wackier ! We should believe YOU apparently but not historical records now ..... becasue , ummmm you know " fake news ' ; " news is manipulated and lies are perpetuated under the guise of being so-called "the truth". From JFK, to 9/11, to the fake COVID pandemic, and the trumped up Ukraine War, " WTF ? Are you reading this people ? This guys a fruitcake ! Tgen you actually admit , you throw research, science, logic, intelligence out the window and rely on searching the word 'Sham' and bingo ! you find something like that in another word and your 'solution' is revealed to you . Not that used a sliver of any linguistic theory or information to come to your conclusion ... just the theory of 'sounds like ' Dude ! Do you know how many words across the world sound like Sham ??? THIS thread is actually a 'sham' as well ! Eg. sham /ʃam/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: sham; plural noun: shams 1. a thing that is not what it is purported to be. "our current free health service is a sham" North American short for pillow sham. adjective adjective: sham bogus; false. No, aint that a coincidence Anyway, you gave it all away when you complained about using the internet for research ... any scholar knows you dont use the internet for your research - at best it might be able to point you towards a source or document. -
Oh damn ! That ^ should have been
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Nungali replied to Jamyang Khedrup's topic in Buddhist Discussion
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A lot of blah blah .... but no trace of a circular river surrounding the central capital . You 'conveniently ignored' that bit So it isnt Shamballa . And the issue isnt you not being friends with Bon people , the issue is saying the stuff you said about Bon previously . Would you tell them Bon is cannibalistic too ? if you are referring to a very early time in their history , what changed their practices to the better ones ? As far as your Universal Messiah Helagu Khan goes .... its 'interesting ' to note ; " His funeral was the only Ilkhanate funeral to feature human sacrifice.[28] " -
Yeah, that was probably it . We would not want to 'stray' into what 'another religion' said about it . Butt because I am a curious goaty , I peeked ; https://biblehub.com/isaiah/14-12.htm How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! and similar all through the different version that site quotes . It's interesting because , is this 'one' addressed as Lucifer, the one later identified as Satan, Devil, etc . ? Especially when we get to an extended version of the passage ; “How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning [light-bringer], son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, You who have weakened the nations [king of Babylon]! or even moreso ; " Context Downfall of the King of Babylon …11Your pomp has been brought down to Sheol, along with the music of your harps. Maggots are your bed and worms your blanket. 12How you have fallen from heaven, O day star, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O destroyer of nations. 13You said in your heart: “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the far reaches of the north.… Berean Study Bible · Download Is Isaiah talking to / about the King of Babylon here ? This would not be a prophecy about the fall of Babylon , would it ? Sometimes it helps to read other parts of a story to get the context of a single passage ... or even a single passage from the start might help : I suggest reading the first four , for a start . " you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended! " Isaiah 14:4. In other words ' let's taunt the king that oppresses us , he will fall , he was like Lucifer rising in the east, but he has fallen , he tried to rise to heaven and make himself like God , he oppressed the nations ... etc . The far better part is towards the end when that 'whore woman' defeats the power of the (corrupt) 'religious' power brokers . She's the 'real devil' of the story
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Well, I dont see it that way . 'keeping such forces on a leash ' . The forces are inside us , connected to us, making up part of our psyche . We have had some since birth and developed some after . You can try to banish and push them away and try to subdue them by force .... you can try . But Magick should be about integrating those forces within you , taking control, using your 'king' aspect as a wise and benevolent ruler of yourself ... taming your 'demons' and 'inner wild dogs' . Not capturing some wild dingo and trying to leash it and get it to conform to your base desires . No wonder you dont approve ! You have entirely the wrong perspective on it .