Nungali

Does not 'mortality' make life even more precious and valuable - more important to live and enjoy each moment ? More cause to celebrate and experience it ?

A variant type of 'box'' engine - Ariel 'square 4 ' ; tended to over heat at the centre of the block ..... ..... a novel way to fix the issue

What makes a Triumph Bonneville Engine such a sweet ride . Its a 4 stroke twin cylinder BUT, the pistons do not not alternate , both pistons go up and down together , like a big 750 single . But to 'even the power out ' the stroke cycles are opposite . Stroke cycle Piston 1 Piston 2 1 .......................... Intake ........................ Combustion. 2. ......................... Compression ............. Exhaust . 3 ........................... Combustion ...............Intake. 4 ......................... Exhaust ........................ Compression . So the pistons go up and down together but the spark alternates from side to side . Makes for a deep torquey smooth ride https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adtUd7T7N_g

Careful ...... you will end up on his ..... ' ignore list ' .

Mr Dictator Head ;

Okay, here is a funny lame egotistical comment for you to continue giggling at ; ' In fact, nothing is hidden from those who know how to observe correctly.'

No . And that was an even lamer attempt to try and 'save face' from your above embarrassment .

It took 5 months to come up with that lame comeback ?

Yeah ...... but can ya do this !

I wondered why that seems to happen to some more than others ..... they are the type I like to sit opposite to .

I probably told this one before here , but since there are new people ... and many of you ; in one ear and out the other Pastor in the pulpit ; " And I say to you all, as Jesus did ' You must forgive your enemies ' . People, I urge you, do not hold any bitterness in your heart , forgive your enemies .... forgive them . " Voice from up the back ; " But I ain't got any enemies ." The Pastor peers through the congregation , " Ahhhh .... Mrs Smith , what was that ? " She stands up ; " I said , I ain't got no enemies . " Pastor ; " Did you hear that everyone ? How remarkable , Mrs Smith , a woman of 92 years old , has got to that age and does not have any enemies ..... not an enemy in the world ? " Mrs Smith ; " Thats right . " Pastor ; " Remarkable , Mrs Smith , would you please come up to the pulpit and share with us how you came to be in this spiritual state . " " Alright then ." She slowly walks to the front of the church, the Pastor steps down from the pulpit and helps Mrs Smith up the stair to it . She clears her throat ..... " Its because all them bitches is dead now . " .

Yes ..... but you have 'powers' ( and probably not a 15 year old lap top and down in an ancient subduction fault with a weak 3G signal . ) P.S. how did those freshwater seals get into Lake Baikal ?

Ahhh ... 'beliefs' . have you considered putting the above post to music ?

Oh yeah ! VERY ! ( And the researchgate link I posted above is also written by that author ; he is an intrepid fellow ! One section he talks about being nervous going to a certain area for more research and teachings , he has to go by train and on that train he says it is notorious for knife fights breaking out between the Mongolian and Chinese passengers - 6 died that way last year . At some stage he was the victim of violence , some crazy dudes trying to beat him to death , but he says he prayed and invoked one of his protectors , and for 'some reason' , they stopped beating him and left . ) - actually yesterday I was going to post (but got distracted and neglected to ) ; Thanks to our very own, famous, 'Steve on the Internet' for the book recommendation . There are a few historical issues though ; the author seems to somehow equate (as far as I can tell, so far ) Zang Zung Empire and an influence from BMAC . But the dates do not match . In any case , I think the Pamir area is still the most likely candidate . Tonpa Shenrab Miwoe ( or various other spellings ) bought an advanced and enlightened teaching from Pamir area ( 'Tagzig' ) TO Zang Zung ( as the Tibetans then where not 'ready for it ' , yet . ) The dates do not match for physical transmission ... but this does not rule out the transmission of a 'myth' (or 'oral history' ) , which may survive over a greater time period . As far as we know BMAC was an advanced culture ( only recently discovered as recently as 1970s ! ) , within that it appears that Zoroastrianism ( Mazdayasni Paoiryo-Tkaesha ) evolved via a refinement of, or return to, 'higher principles' from an older pre-Zoroastrian religion (Paoiryo-Tkaesha - meaning keepers of the original ancient law.) Either this influence passed into the Pamir 'Knot' (see below diagram) , or, as I prefer, it may have been an original 'homeland' ( 'Airyana Vaeja ' ) of BMAC people (or at least that segment of them that made up 'Zoroaster's tribe ' - whoever they where ) . As I said before , they point to 'wisdom' coming from the east , and Zang Zung , Tibet, etc . from the west . Airyana Vaeja ( Zoroaster's tribe's original homeland ) description matches Pamir Knot , Shamballa description matches Pamir Knot ..... no where else I can find a circular river encircling a mountainous terrain , with various centres of settlement and rivers radiating out into the ( then ) known lands around it ; bottom right : Buddhist thangka showing Shambhala with Mount Meru & a temple in the centre The two circular mountain ranges remind us of the description of the Hara and Zeredaza Mountains in the Avesta's Zamyad Yasht "lying all around" - the Zeredaza being the outer range. One issue is the 'break in the record ' , the Avestas 'break off' and we never hear of those people or those teachings again until the written history of the Late Assyrians record 'Parsua' coming down from the Iranian Plateau into the Mesopotamian Plains to join in with others to throw of the oppression of Assyria . It could relate to the 'Late Bronze Age Collapse' , which effected places all across western Asia into the east Mediterranean . These events could also have bought ' Shamballa ' to end or transition . In any case, this is not the main thrust of my search , when I finish that book and some others, I will be able to collate more info on the REAL issue ( that is, what good is 'academia' , history, etc if we do not have things we can draw from it and improve ourselves ?) In this case it is I suspect that an influence from Pamir region was significant in BMAC . I also note that an influence from Pamirs created '2nd stage Bon in Tibet ' ; attributed to Tonpa Shenrab , from 'Tagzig' ( 'Tajik' - Pamirs ) . Certain 'advanced / enlightened teachings from this place and people in Pamirs influenced Tibet , similar teachings influenced pre Zoroastrian Mazdayasni religion and they speak of a 'lost homeland' that could be Pamirs . Descriptions from both Avesta and Tibetan Buddhist sources indicates this place as the mythic 'Shamballa' or 'Omo Lungring ' in 'Tagzig' . Other sources indicate a strong influence of Siberian Shamanism in Tibetan Bon . I am hunting the people and source of these teachings and collating what the teachings are ( for example both Zoroaster and Tonpa Shenrab taught people to substitute their animal sacrifices with non animal 'offerings') . Zoroastrians where the first people to LEGISLATE animal rights and protection of the environmental elements , Lake Baikal people had ( and some still do ) very strong tradition of non pollution of environment ; both Zoroastrians and Tibetans do not bury, burn or otherwise pollute an environmental element with corpses . I am collating a set of beliefs and practices that helped these various peoples become more spiritually advanced . Where they went , these principles and practices helped people develop and maintain societies that respected and did not want to abuse animals, respect and look after the environment , develop mental and artistic abilities, move towards equality of sexes , etc . Its the one thing that seems to link this vast jigsaw puzzle together. Also what seems significant is both peoples had similar funerary practice and both Zoroaster and Tonpa Shenrab are credited with reforming the old religion away from animal sacrifice and towards 'offerings' of foodstufs, plants, flowers, scents and ' art ' .

Nah ... its just another misplaced definition of the occult . The occult is very general concept and many paths considered occult do not honour the animal and the sensual at all . A good system acknowledges we are an animal and that the sensual has influence on us but does not forget the spiritual aspect ... and likewise , does not consider us wholly spiritual but recognises our animal / sensual nature ..... and therefore SHOULD come up with a way of dealing with this . Historically, that way was via initiation ; essentially , if we strip off all the temporal and locational cultural clutter - across all societies and times , initiation is essentially a gradual process of leading the human animal , into a developed member of a tribe society or culture .

- the dreaded 'fist salute'

No ! ( Let us let it . ) I know that is against the grain here ( and also certain subversive moderators have made it like that ... by fiddling with the controls ! Note how the settings will not allow me to post a map explaining academic principles ..... but a silly meme or picture or gif is super easy to post and comes up every time

Arrrgh ! Okay its here ; https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Zhang-Zhung-BMAC-and-the-Andronovo-culture_fig4_343322293 ( and now, yet another paper from Dmitry to peruse - which is fine, since it is pissing down rain all day here ) - I'll collate all this into a little piece at some stage

Damn it ! I cant get that map to show up I can see it in my post box and when I hit submit reply it reverts to this Hmmmm .... maybe if I do this ; .... nope , absolutely nothing happened maybe this ;

Hmmmm .... since you commented that after quoting this ; " And he probably got those traditions from Bo - Siberian shamanism , which had certain very advanced spiritual teachings and practices " In that context it would not be a 'reverse influence' from Tibet to India , more of an influence from Tonpa Miwoe / Pamir area / Omo Lung Ring into Tibet . And an influence from BMAC area (next to Pamirs ) into NW India with the 'Indo Aryans' 'importing' certain aspects of Vedanta . And a later influence from India importing Buddhist religion into Tibet . - it seems there was an advanced people operating out of the Pamir area and they may have influenced the formation of, or at least supplied a 'religious philosophy and practice' that 'lifetd up ' BMAC and Tibet (or more correctly Zang Zung , which passed on the influence to Tibet ) What started me off on a section of this research was communication with a Tibetan guy who told me that historically , in times past , and still a bit today , the Pamirs area is considered the 'India of Tibet ' ..... meaning ; similar to how many westerners see India as a source and origin of spirituality , Tibetans see that similar influence from the Pamirs .

Pollen and tree ring analysis indicates the Chang Tang plateau in Northern Tibet had a far more liveable environment than it has today - one that could support a primordial civilization - until the climate become colder and drier starting around 1500 BCE, a climate change that caused the population to migrate out of the northern plateau. The world was a very different place back then ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhangzhung

They all a mash ... even going far back . Buddhism came to Tibet to Influence Bon to make Tibetan Buddhism, but way before that, a Buddha , before there was Buddhism, went to Tibet to teach and make native Bon more 'Buddhist'. And he probably got those traditions from Bo - Siberian shamanism , which had certain very advanced spiritual teachings and practices , which travelled down into Central Asia where the 'Masdayasni ' religion was established , fell to 'bad ways' and had to be reformed by Zoroaster into Zoroastrianism , which bought back in the good principles ( which lasted within it until the fall of the Persian Empire ) OR got a bit different cultural version and turned into Vedanta and crossed down into NW India .... eventually manifesting Buddhism, that went back up to Tibet . Then there are the Siberian 'Good and Bad' Bon - Black or White Tengri ( the white where the ones spreading these teachings , the black, sorcerers doing evil works ) , possibly the seed source of the Zoroastrian concentration of good and bad powers of spirits and 'the mind' ( principles and practices on how to develop and maintain 'good mind' ) . Ahura and Div / Daeva in Avestas , Asuru and Deva in Vedas.