Nungali

Wow ... what a mix up ! And its getting worse as you go along . there is the incoherent rant again about the west Mongolian Empire being Shambala ( that alone is enough, ask anyone about that and see what you get , and if you dont understand how crazy this is yourself, dear reader , just ask another that knows anything about this subject ... and watch them laugh . Then in the middle of all that, inexplicably you switch over to your 'grand descent ' , One paragraph on your topic ends, the next one, out of the blue and totally unrelated ... you start raving about your ( maybe descent from the King of Norway WTF ? and not only that , you claim this somehow makes you right ! Then you end off in messianic complex as if you are about to save the world and reveal the secret of the apocalypse . Errrmmm .... okay .....

They are not books .... that's 'book wallpaper' . Woman moved here some years back, came in a truck with little furniture but heaps of books and big book cases . Set them all up, and then moved out a few months later . She wasnt a librarian, or a researcher or anything . Dont get me wrong, I like books .... very handy, their batteries dont go flat , but most have been given away or in storage now . usually, I need to look something up or read it again, I look the book up on line , except for a few scattered around the house . This woman had huge bookcases of them, so having some interest I had a look . What a god aweful boring collection of mundane crapola ! Now I hear she has moved back here and is staying at someone's place .... they said she bought the books back with her . ! Going camping must be difficult

He operates the local cosmos in an enlightened manner .

Good ! How does 'doing the right thing to do' make you feel ?

No . Bon WAS like that but got reformed way before the 2nd Buddhist reformation of Bon . Look into 'The Central Asian Buddha' that bought Buddhism to Tibet way before THE Buddha was even born . Who happened to come from 'Tagzig' . I am sure you know who and where that is . As far as the uneducated modernist slander you sprout about Bon , I suggest you read this work ( and then tell me it isnt highly informed and researched (and by the way, the author does speak Tibetan ). https://www.amazon.com/Bo-Bon-Shamanic-Traditions-Teachings/dp/9937506115 It jells very well, in the posts I have made on this site , they contain ; history, maps, quotes of scriptural opinions , comparative mythology and religion.. relating to the ORIGINAL concept and ideas . Not your later politicised hijacking of the story . And I can prove its a hijacking political thing because you yourself are still doing it : You claimed your knowledge about Shambala related stuff in latter history , could explain today's political 2 war party in China ! if that aint modern politicising , dont know what is ! I explained years back and up to months ago why mine is right and your view ; the , modern , hijacked and politicised one is ... errmmmm wrong . So , you have been well 'beaten to it ' . By me , that is . No No ... everyone ... rally around me .... it ME ... your Nungali ( I'll give you free beer ! ) Do you realise how silly you have made yourself look now ? .

I think it was passing interest , many more where there and a LOT stronger . We could also crucify Leary , Huxley, etc etc . Perhaps the Vietnam War had a tiny influence ? I guess drug use has risen .... the pharmaceutical companies are doing well . Sydney Harbour is full of pain killers and anti-depressants. If you mean illeagal drugs ... maybe that too ... but the British DID push a LOT of opium into China before Crowley's time ( Then got outraged at him for sampling drugs ) . And back then cocaine wasnt even illegal , it was marketed , so can we count that as an 'illegal' back then . I dont think its such a clear case of 'Crowley's fault' , hmmmmm ? Anyway, enough about nasty old drugs eh .... ( especially those natural ones ... that no one here would ever take .... ) let's get on to the more serious matter of ........ sexual promiscuity ! Sexual promiscuity warning ! .

Thats the kind of thinking Crowley copped it for ! In many circumstances I agree with it . I remember a story from some Thelemites let's say, in this case they where people with similar sentiments ) and it was around this very subject . They where talking about a junkie friend that kept messing up, near OD ing , no money etc . pick him up out the gutter and 'reform him' . After the third attempt he told them to F off " Dont you realise I WANT to be a junkie ? You are trying to turn me into something you think I should be . " And they did ... and in retrospect agreed with him . That, and other 'feedback' led me to change the 'Do unto others ' thing to ' Do unto others , as they would have you do unto them.'

Lucifer was the light bringer , the dawning of Venus, the bringer of knowledge and illumination ... way before you Christian dudes got jealous and tried to smear him with your own shit . besides old Bob , you spat the dummy earlier in this converse (after offering no substantial contribution of any tye, nor any understanding of the subject, nor indeed of hermetics itself ) and declared you where out of such a discussion . yet here you are again , throwing shit from the sidelines and offering nothing substantial again .. then running off . Even you would realise how lame that is . As much as your ilk will not like this ... it undeniable : " Perhaps no one single person has had such widespread influence on modern magic , the countercultural turns of the 20th century, and probably the most renown of magical and occult writers of the 20th Century as Cambridge-educated occultist Aleister Crowley. " That alone should warrant any serious students interest . And surprise surprise that an in depth investigation into hermetics, the history of magic and occultism should have looked into any 'Black Arts ' ...... tut tut tut !

I love the way YOU claimed its neurosis . PS . Dont listen to that folks ... he is a demon pretending to be helpful .

hang on ... I gotta pick myself up first ... from falling over . MY GOD ! Someone actually asked the relevant question ! I'll get back to you on this ( I go online , study, research, write from pre dawn till sunup .. sun is up , nice day . outside, chores, sunlight, farm work and road repairs await ... and the tractor has broken down .... Eee - I - ee -ee- oh . I'll get back to you later .

No, not really because ...... - yet in another thread today, you said how you had learned from arguig with me and it helped refine your ideas more . You are a bit of a 'to and fro' guy aren't ya ?

And I would NOT venture to say that the above is NOT your own True Will . Some are here to learn compassion , others, to receive it . Some are here to heal and some to, perhaps, offer opportunity for them to healers to learn . Some are here to help us value possessions and others here to help us realise material acquirements are transitory . Some are here to help with tecnical advancement and innovations , others are here to help us appreciate nature .... some are lucky enough to find a job that encompasses their paths ... imagine getting paid to do that ! Some do . And just to annoy 'Old Bob' I will quote Crowley : " Such is a brief outline of the government of the O.T.O. It combines monarchy with democracy; it includes aristocracy, and conceals even the seeds of revolution, by which alone progress can be effected. Thus we balance the Triads, uniting the Three in One; thus we gather up all the threads of human passion and interest, and weave them into an harmonious tapestry, subtly and diligently with great art, that our Order may seem an ornament even to the Stars that are in the Heavens at Night. In our rainbow-coloured texture we set forth the glory of the whole Universe--See thou to it, brother Magician, that thine own thread be strong, and pure, and of a colour brilliant in itself, yet ready to mingle in all beauty with those of thy brethren! " ( and I might add .... where is the nastiness and wickedness and all the negative Crowley stuff , in this passage ? ) "

is there something wrong with that ? You would do good, someone else would benefit , now you feel better . Isnt that a win win ? . You dont strike as a masochist or a person racked with guilt that needs to 'sacrifice' for others , or any of that stuff ...... have I missed something here ?

It might even grow if you or any other person doesnt do those things .... beep beep ! It helps to try and understand the context a reply was written in , separating it out from what it was responding to and then responding to that itself , without the relevant content is ...... .. what daobums be all about ... wheeeeeeeeeeeeee ....

'That' count ? Nah . It looks like you counted it ... or tried to ... with a potential 100% error . You should keep better records. I kept track of how many acid trips I had by putting a mark on the door jamb . If you look at my door jamb (back door, on the inside ) you will see a series of gnaw marks going from the floor up .

Yes, its best here on Daobums NOT to quote any authority ... we dont like that here ... we seem to prefer the lone postulations of nut , random connections and antiacadamia

Okay ... I will laugh as I murder my own parents . Thanks for the spiritual advice !

.... and women . You left that bit out . But it was nice to see the woman left out of the first part of the story , where she is tempted and gives in, where she eats the apple first and where she 'makes' Adam eat it . And then Adam merely 'confesses the truth ' - she told me to ' One of my 'fav' bits from Ovid , Metamorphoses : Apollo's raven reports he has seen his GF with another , 'beautiful' Apollo, in jealous rage lets fly an arrow at her , which kills her ; he then curses her for it , blames the arrow, the bow , the raven ... everything but himself ... if there was a snake there , he would have got blamed to .

Once upon a time there was this little boy called Terry . He didnt know it yet, but a monster lived under his bed ... and late at night when he was asleep and helpless , the monster .......

Hang on a minute ! let's do that properly ..... You should start with a fanfare ... " Hear Ye, hear Ye, hear Ye ! I annunce and introduce the Right Honourable Jamyang Khedrup (aka Fred Jones ) : a relative of the Royal Mistresses of the Robes of Norway, Else Werring and to Nils Werring her husband, a member of the Steering Committee of the Bilderberg group. And due to that relationship I hearby declare this post be a n official publication ..... to a very certain degree. " ( You write better sarcasm about yourself than I could ever come up with ) So all this came from one lead and that was a similar sounding name . yet I have tracked multiple leads of different tyes , all pointing in the one direction to the same location . and you are not interested . That pretty much settles it then and shows what this thread is all about . . . for those that have insight .

You keep repeating that . I dont see what it has to do with the location of Shamballa which is what you titled this thread and started writing about .... sorta . Dude . I didnt send you any information . I said above that I have posted a wealth on the subject elsewhere, including potential locations and matching satellite imagery with description form scripture . You say I sent you info and you read it . I didnt send you any info and now you say its in MY imagination and I have not located it . I have situated it, its not from my imagination and I didnt send you any information ... yet you have read ot and think I have not situated it . Errrr .... wot ? Tell ya what .... go tell anyone that Shamballa was the west Mongol Empire all the way to Turkey and see what response THEY give you . By following the texts that where written about the myth much later and used for political ends by interpreting events into their modern times . The traidition of Shamballa can be traced back a lot further ... this is a latter politicised tradition , a type of propaganda ... which should be clear to anyone that sees a ' conquering bloodthirsty Khan ' - Ghengis Khan's grandson as a spiritual hero / 'Universal Messiah '. And that whole aspect of messiah comes from a more ancient myth ( that Judaism and Christianity ended up adopting ) comes from ancient Zoroastrianism ( The Sayosant ) , which holds an original version of the that Kalachakra was developed from . There is clear geographical discretion in there ... it does not match the western Mongol empire . You seem to be relying on one one indicator ... a matching of who killed the King of Baghdad ... my matching is on multiple fronts and comes with comparisons, on many level from information within the text . You are trying to argue against something you have not even looked at yet . Why ? When ? Under Byzantine or under Islamic occupation ... what period of it, what area ? What has the east bank of the Med got to do with it ? I did google it ... not sure what you are on about I dont see it all as the same name as Shamballa ??? Its a totally different linguistic root anyway . But I doubt your comparison of words was based on any linguistic principles . This is getting much worse now . You arent any type of scholar apparently ; Shambala is a Sanskrit term meaning "place of peace/tranquility/happiness." - 'Sambu ' You just outlined how YOU matched words by sound ... with no linguistic evidence of a transmission , you identify the very term of your writing subject here - Shambala , with a far off place becasue it SOUNDS like it ... you dont even seem to realise its Sanskrit and yet ... I am the one going on hunches and impressions ? Now we are VERY far from academia on this and the above is rather ... well, frankly wacky . First you said I was way too early and it was not in the Bronze Age (after I suggest you look for hints there ) . Now you say I should not say it does not refer to the Bronze Age and old antiquity . DUDE ! You where the one that said it didnt and I was the one that said it did . WTF ? and then go on with more wacky word sound matching ... well not even that , now you introduce anagrams as valid ! Baal is Shambala or balshamin backwards and that is because " mongols were subverters who's mission was to overthrow, and overcome." ... even tough they are also ' Universal messiah's ' W O W ! Fringe writing and wackiness often goes off on such bizarre tangents as this . Its very indicative . yeah ... like I said , they used the story for political ends .... you just admitted it ! he was a nasty mongol murdering warrior with a 'gruesome heritage ' and then after all that , for political reasons , as you say " " was later purified into a deified form by Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo who totally pushed back the military aspect of Hulagu and turned him into the world Savior of the Kalachakra. " And thats how the dates got mixed up ... i like I said, they used a myth and projected it on to people of a latter time to further their political ends . Nah .

Oh - O ! https://publications.dainst.org/journals/efb/article/view/2596/7095 Comments : This is a paper about the last years findings in Gobekli Tepe. To put it simple: the entire extraordinary hypothesis of this site is now under heavy criticism after excavations in and around the site. There has been something odd in this story, to begin with the "all hunter-gatherer" society starting point is wrong, as datation point to Pre-Pottery Neolithic A, as other Neolithic sites in the Near East. The structure of the site is now totally challenged, with stratigraphy altered by water flows and new buildings below the monumental area. Everything said about this archaeological site is probably wrong, or should be heavily reformulated. I found the mention of round builds being modified to become more rectangular over time very interesting. I’m glad to see some more conservative interpretations being publicized. The whole idea of religious institutions being the driving force behind the whole Neolithic revolution never sat well with me.

I see .... you where 'chosen' specially for your 'divine initiation' . I am sure they are not the same as wordy ones. Wordy ones have this ......... objective validity .... if you know what I mean ? And if you think 'worldly' initiations are not necessary FIRST, boy do you have problems coming fast ! The proper sequence - across the board [and by that I mean I have experience and knowledge in various cultures across time history and location regrading initiations - in my specialist area of cultural anthropology- not just A system , and certainly not a 'system' that involves only oneself and some 'divine' process experienced ( and that you experience and now give some validity too , even though your adventures here started and continued the way they did - that is confessing psychosis, mental health treatment, depression, psychic tortures, all offered up info from yourself) ] is a worldly level nearly all ; three degree system relating to worldly mysteries in the sequence of birth life death . If you miss that, well ... simply ... disastrous , and even moreso to attempt to build on top of this non foundation with higher practices ! )The next series is not worldly, as it relates to the after death worlds and experiences . I dont think you know much about initiation. I am sure you had an experience ... and you have clearly outlined it ... its a psychotic experience and the thing is .... its a fine line ... many people who are clearly psychotic, even to you yourself, will show indicators relating to the fantastic, occult magic, etc . It is fairly clear to the reasonable outsider though who is confused and who is .... less confused . And also, if you think anyone gets through the doors to actually achieve a REAL initiation and it wasn't an invitation and a choosing , you have not a clue what you are taking about - all initiation candidates have been 'chosen', it doesnt happen otherwise . And if you are not 'chosen' no matter what you and others do on any plane ... it doesnt happen . One of the values if undertaking proper magical training is it has very clear warnings abut and essential practices to help protect people from these confusions . of course, without them one can easily tip over the edge ... but everyone knows that ! Would you fix your house electricity by fiddling with the wires without an electricians advice or knowledge ? Again, you are like the guy that bought that car that broke down . And telling me you are sorry that I was not chosen for my initiations isnt going to change any of that , and neither does it address any of the points in my post that you used for that response . Perhaps you should stay within the range of those alternating diatribes of acceptance and outrage against this psuedo Christian type childhood monster God you say is torturing you and stop trying to pretend you have some special insight ( due to your psychotic experience ) regarding this subject .... which you clearly dont have . You type of guys come through here all the time ... over the years . I even know what you are going to try on next .

One could even postulate that doing you true Will gives you the best feeling . ... let's see now, going on memory , its actually a promise ... of Nuit , I think the word used is more than 'feeling better' its 'ecstasy' . Memory ....m he ! I thought I better look it up; its actually ' unimaginable joys ' ... since I was referring to this life / incarnation we have now , ie for 'the living ' . Here is the line ; " I give unimaginable joys on earth: certainty, not faith, while in life, upon death; peace unutterable, rest, ecstasy; nor do I demand aught in sacrifice. " A little different to your standard male God . .

..... achieved enlightenment and surpassed the need for further incarnation ? No , I will suffer more, become a Bodhisattva , return and try and help the others . Why ? Out of compassion, of course, and love and consideration . But why are you interested in that stuff ? ..... because that makes me feel better .