Nungali

What type of professionals ? Oh wait ... this is where we where several weeks back and you neglected to answer . And I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad ... When people run in circles it's a very, very Mad world, mad world ....

Sure there is a better option for such people as have a job like that ..... make a TV series . . . ( with catchy theme music )

Since 'we' all know that a stage illusionist (or even one on the street ) can fool a whole bunch of people , in real time / life , all this discussion on believing what we see in a video - which has MUCH more potential for fooling us , is rather defunct , isnt it ?

Doctors ? What ? Someone with a doctorate in video editing ?

'Us' . Its already 'settled' for 'us' .

What I like best about the empty force Starjumper video is his excellent control of his own energy ..... especially when he stumbles to the right in his 'empty force stance ' ... but that is probably due to his lacky ... I mean student who, no doubt has an imbalance on his right side , and as Steve's 'empty force' surges towards him,, some is defected to one side , casuing a backlash, reverberation in Steve's chi cosmos ... Besides , as Bart Simpson says ; ' Well, there is bound to be some splashback ."

There IS a reason some people that think they have seen UFOs will gather their friends or interested parties to do a 'UFO watch' . I guess with all your focus on suggestive 'evidence' on how valid a video is ( motivated by we all know what ) ... you missed this obvious bit .

" Now is just as good a time to violate rules " ? .

Thats actually an extract he wrote in The Book Of Lies , the book I mentioned earlier that was my teenage introduction to the author . And that is crystal clear ( compared to some other chapters ) . I particularly like it as , back then I was a long distance runner . I woud get int an altered state , unaware of my body , just 'looking out the windows of my eyes', actually, no body sensations at all ... and I would marvel at the 'view outside' as my body, of its own accord , jumped logs, hop-frogged between boulders , lept over gaps .... a bit like watching a film . Then one time, when camping , a fair way from a fresh water source , I elected to be the 'morning runner' going to get water . Most of the run was along rocks by the surf - same thing . How on earth am I leaping and running from rock to rock, negotiating rock pools, and all that , while keeping balance and not 'casting my eyes upon the ground ' ? reading that passage made me realise it wasnt just me .... it was a 'process' we can develop . I suppose some can relate to the process with art, music or specifically drumming ; one time after a voodoo session someone was amazed at my drumming ; " I never knew you could drum like that ! " Me; " No ... but that wasn't actually 'me' drumming ." But those days are far behind ... except for a surprise resurgence a few years back, when I did it with the twins , one on each hip ! No chance now though .

What ! You suggest my 'manlihood' has a limit ! How dare you Sir !

Nah, you got that totally wrong . I am not putting up sources to support my biases . I was putting up a link to my own writings to explain further about the Khavaranah . But carry on with your erroneous assumptions .... its got common here nowadays . .. I wouldn't want to stop a trend

I see, you cant answer any of my rational questions, you make all sorts of diversionary and undermining comments in insinuations , you will not engage sensibly in the actual topic here ... and now you accuse me of projections and are going to block me . Thats probably the best course of action for you , since you seemed to have jumped in the pool WAY BEYOND your depth . And I will add ' good riddance' ! At least we will not have you trying to divert the topic here any more ... and I will also add , it is a topic of high spiritual importance to us all ... so its REALLY curious why some want to divert our subject matter .

AH ... that magic team of 'professionals' again What where they again ? I forgot ... a professional plumber , a professional car smash repairer and a professional salami maker ?

I worked for years in the film industry and saw first hand how they do all that stuff , including on the Matrix movies . But here is the thing ... if its in a film, although we might get 'carried away' while watching it , we know its staged , and film technology 'trickery' . But when its a youtube ... well, gosh ! That MUST be real ! People get SOOOOO sucked in by an obvious fake thing ... as long as it has visuals . I have a friend that often makes comments , when we are watching a doco or such , like ; " Wow, Imagine being out here all by yourself ! " Me : " Yep ... just him and the film crew . " " He must be starving , living off grubs and insects like that ! " Me; " Just as well he gets a catered meal between shoots ."

It certainly seems that way after reading some and looking at contents ; he talks about 'Indo European Bo ' , sort of, any type of Siberian shamanism that travelled down into Central Asia and outwards , but also Central Asian Bo , a specific type that went into Pamirs and seems a type of 'Pre-Buddhist' Buddhism . It is the ' good principles of Buddhism and early Zoroastrianism ' thread that I am tracking back . Its all a bit detailed though and secondary to the main aim and conclusions (of this study) that I hope to extract from the 'historical interest ' - after the research is done .

Native Tibetan shamanistic Bonpo is supposed to have had three different phases. The first phase was the native Shamanistic religion, the second was the Pamir/Sogdian influence and the third was the Buddhist . Does anyone have info or sources on the second ; the Pamir/Sogdian influence on native Tibetan shamanistic Bonpo ?

I'd say , only slightly and perhaps due to cultural clothing . But I would agree that the results of following either , one will deal with much less ' Universal opposition ' .

Dont be vain . ( actually , the meaning of Solomon's Biblical term 'vanity ' , is more like our term 'useless' or 'pointless' . ) - anyway, its only relevant to a Jew a few thousand years back . I mean ... if it is your True Will' to be a dancing girl , who am I to pas judgment

Sterny .... stop takin them blue pills ! ( of course, do keep taking them if your Psychiatrist prescribed them for you ) PS ... they just cereal powder , courtesy of props dept . ... wait , I knew some of those guys , they might have slipped some mescalin in for a 'joke' .

I will leave that bit to But in many 'primitive' societies this concept is a given ... 'pre ordained' virtually . It works via ancestry, totems, etc . Eg, in traditional Mayan society ; one could, by analysis of your name , understand you ancestry, 'totemic' associations, natal astrology , and reason and purpose / role in your society . An atrophied fossil of this still exists within our surnames like ; Mason , Carpenter , Greatrex ( a topographic surname, which was given to a person who resided near a physical feature such as a hill, stream, or in this case a ridge. ) . You might remember my story abut the Aboriginal guy I was talking to around fire one night that was mystified by wetsreners asking him what the purpose of life was and saying they did not know what they where for . He also commented that , working under that handicap , no wonder ; " Whitefellah so fucked up ! "

I hate to say it ... HERE , but with these strange new terms and language ..... thats one reason why Crowley simplified the terms to things like 'True Will ' and 'Holy Guardian Angel ' . Just be thankful I am transliterating it for you - otherwise it would be in Avestan

Nungers attempts to be graceful : Oh? You must have missed the link I made to the further explanations I made about this . its back in post .... .... ah crap, I aint gonna look that up ( Nungers has returned from his 'Sterny possession " ) .... JUST AS I THOUGHT ... you guys arent looking at my explanatory links are YA!

Interesting .... but its out of my experience though ... I have never suffered such a rejection from either God nor ' lesser entities ' . ( Ya know, some people dont even think they are possessed by anything ! HA! ... I imagine that ! )

Do you understand what a 'straw man argument ' is ? A lot of your posts seen like running pot shots , straw man comments , and then you flee from further discourse on any point you made , to then pile more of the same on top . I did expect a bit deeper converse from you on the actual subject here , but if you need to continue trying to blur the REAL subject here with your smear brush .... whatever .

Oh ... hot potato too hot for you, so you toss it back ? Okay I will answer ... he didnt find anything - ALL IS VANITY . Do you think I have not studied Solomon or the Bible ? I was YOU who bought him up , but a pertinent question on it causes you to bail out ??? ... but , whatever ... I will go on with the sub topic YOU started , but dont want to follow up on Solomon was a bit of a 'psychonaut ' in this respect ; " Solomon tried many other "research experiments" in the laboratory of life in his quest to find meaning and solve the vanity issue. " His conclusion ; " I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and indeed, all is vanity and grasping for the wind. ' - ie. he made this statement AFTER he had " seen all the works that are done under the sun." First , any in depth reading needs further background and extra sources to comprehend what is meant ; ie the time and place , what people believed in and knew back then . Have a look into what Jews back then thought about the afterlife ! Not much at all , they didnt have the rewards of heaven and eternal life ( like Christ taught ) ... and we wonder why Solomon thought all this was vanity ! The 'Jewish afterlife' is very 'gloomy' if existent at all ! They didnt have concepts like the Zoroastrians did ; the crossing of the Chinvat Bridge , meeting your own 'Daena' and entering the 'House of Song' . . . reincarnating or even going off to live with ancestors in 'happy Hunting Ground ' . " You may wonder, "Why didn't Solomon look forward to heaven?" The answer is that in those days there was no widespread knowledge of the afterlife among the Jews. God had revealed Himself to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and had given them laws to keep and promises of blessings in this life to those who did. But references to the afterlife in the Old Testament are few, scattered, and veiled. There were no plain references to heaven. For this reason many of the Jews believed that this life was all there was. Serve God and receive your blessings now, but don't expect anything beyond that. Or, as Solomon would put it, "a live dog is better than a dead lion." https://www.spiritofgrace.org/articles/nl_2013/various/00_vanity_of_vanities.html ( Just to show I am not 'making stuff up again ' ) The only hint of a conclusion, ' the least of vanities' , he offers is ; " There is nothing better for a person than that he should eat and drink and find enjoyment[c] in his toil. This also, I saw, is from the hand of God, 25 for apart from him[d] who can eat or who can have enjoyment? 26 For to the one who pleases him God has given wisdom and knowledge and joy, but to the sinner he has given the business of gathering and collecting, only to give to one who pleases God. This also is vanity and a striving after wind." The best thing a person can do is eat and drink and find enjoyment from his toil , please God and he will give you wisdom Knowledge and joy . I would add to that , the greatest enjoyment one can have , is doing the work they most love (often an indication of the True Will - note its connection with 'love' ) , feeling you have accomplished a good days work , in this area - sit back, have a beer ( or wine or cup of chai , what ever ) and feel joy in the ending of a hard days work , well done . I dont scoff at gaining wisdom knowledge and joy either ... actually, that seems like a 'side effect ' of doing the previous . How are you going to 'please God ' ? For the Jews, it was mostly via fear and obedience .... I think we may have moved on a bit since then ? ( for some ) Perhaps it is by fulfilling the actual reason we incarnated in this life in the first place ? ... and in a way, it relates to Daoism ; a person not following their True Will is ' wading upstream ' , ie. when following 'you way' things can 'unfold' and 'manifest ' rather 'magically' . Conversely , one who has been 'enmeshed' in paths ' not on their evolutionary path' , and is trying to 'get back on track' may experience 'certain difficulties' during the 'refining and elimination' part of the process .