Nungali

No, I am telling you you cant have it both ways and I am not going to revist and hash out what that means as I already explained it .

In Africa ? Start a thread on it then, I am not getting sucked into your moor diversions and continual arguments that are irrlelevent to the overall issue . They are called stalling tactics . I will post fuller info later . Good , it also is a handy way of avoiding admission that some of your past arguments , which you base YOUR ideas on are now admitted to be wrong .

Our Lady Star of the Sea... catholicnovenaapp.com - look under her feet

You should move down here to the southern hemisphere . Days are longer down here .

Thats a common image of Mary in the form of Stella Maris - 'Our Lady Star of the Sea ', patron of navigators and all who travel upon the sea . Mary is often depicted as standing on the Moon , sometimes its just a subtle shape, but it is there . Both Moon and 'Great Sea' are symbols of the unconcious , the 12 stars are usually the houses of the Zodiac . The Moon is (supposedly ) the regulator of those forces that brings them to earth . ( via and modified by the angular arrangements of the planets . Wach out for her ! She is said to be destructive force in scripture ... and dangerous to the era of patriarchal rule ! Yes. A dark Moon is 'conjoined ' with the Sun , 'conjunct ' ... or even 'Moon combust ' .

You wrote all that in relation to my 'black ham ' joke ? Well, .... okay then . I thought the more relevant part was when the scripture defines black skin as an affliction . Which is rather an unfortunate way to get out of some silly old scriptural theory about if we all from Noah... how come black people ? and note, before you go off again and start changing things ... I said 'some scriptural theory ' , and NOT 'Jews are prejudiced against black people '

I like that ! Its hard with 'tricky kicks' but we tended not to use those ..... slow mo with chain whip ? Thats a good trick ( ) . Bit I found doing that pretty valuable , and it was part of how i taught people forms and the subtlies of applications of those forms techniques . That was one of the learning blocks ... bad instructor would never slow down , or really explain ... just 'floor you' for his explanation, so people stopped asking . The I would later take them aside and show them . Of course the guy has 0 students left now . I would often imitate those old lame '6 million dollar man ' action 'speed' - that are supposed to represent fast action but are actually just slow - mo ( who thought of that ! ) Yeah .... I would make the noise too ; " ..... th th th th th .... " " Shiho - nage ..... oooops ! "

He is a bit busy at the moment ..... on a trip .... and having difficulty with those damn foreign toilets ! Whoever came up with this 'bidet' idea !

The kentsugi artists are like the angels that fix us up in the afterlife ... and I am reminded also of Ecclesiastes 12 : 6 " , Remember your Creator now while you are young, before the silver cord of life snaps and the golden bowl is broken. Don’t wait until the water jar is smashed at the spring and the pulley is broken at the well. "

Mmmmm ... sort of . I think perhaps, living an 'unconscious' life with an unconscious death might be the 'unraveling ' . Learning, and allowing it to sink in and permeate the 'immortal spirit' .... we might be able to bring our beautiful cloth with us into the next world , and if we choose, 'come back and make more ' with the experience .under our 'spiritual belt' . " ... thus we gather up all the threads of human passion and interest, and weave them into an harmonious tapestry, subtly and diligently with great art, that our Order may seem an ornament even to the Stars that are in the Heavens at Night. In our rainbow-coloured texture we set forth the glory of the whole Universe— See thou to it, brother Magician, that thine own thread be strong, and pure, and of a colour brilliant in itself, yet ready to mingle in all beauty with those of thy brethren! " - from 'The Constitution of the O.T.O. ' .

On a more serious note ; I have to question myself on ' WHY' and 'HOW' .... I can not leave that out . In all issues my brain wants to know these things as well . Why would Judaism need to be constructed, sourcing some info relevant to them and a whole lot of appropriated cultural stories and other histories and how could that have been done ? Regarding suggested timelines ; I find it hard to come up with scenarios for the view that this happened in early Hellenistic times . However I can imagine some dynamics that seem to point more towards an exilic and post-exilic times . So my next focus will be on ; What was going on in the middle east around the time of and after 600BC The same, in Mesopotamia - 'neo Babylonian empire ' - ie why did Nebuchadnezzar invade ? And what was the area like HISTORICALLY (not 'Biblically - or in scripture ) . What where bot areas like after exile ? What where the dynamics involved with Cyrus' decision to return the Jews to 'homeland ' and help them set up an empire there ? And , adjunct to this - what was going in Egypt then , and between Persia and Egypt ? ( eg. did Cyrus' need a 'buffer state ' ) How did the people in the middle east feel about a swarm of people coming into their land from Babylon ? What effect could that have had . I am thinking along lines like " Dont worry , we are not 'migrants ; we are your long lost ancestors that are going to educate you about a history and a greatness you have lost ... and we got wood, gold and goodies too ! " - just an idea at the moment . But I will start at point 1 soon As I am having holiday season too ( being retired ..... every day is a holiday ! From boat : " Dont do that ! You are near 70 ! " ... 'Ahhhh .... shut up . "

In some instances - Yes ! Ever hear about 'Hamitic ' people ? Hamites is the name formerly used for some Northern and Horn of Africa peoples in the context of a now-outdated model of dividing humanity into different races; this was developed originally by Europeans in support of colonialism and slavery.[1][2][3][4] The term was originally borrowed from the Book of Genesis, in which it refers to the descendants of Ham, son of Noah. 'cause, ya know ...... Ham was black . ... and Judaism has a prohibition against Ham

You are right . I have not considered 'common ancestor through Noah '. This is , as I keep saying, not a' faith based' thread . And I am not seriously going to consider that the whole world's population came from Noah's family . And I think it is rather obviously ridiculous to try and say that any similarities between the formation of Judaism and the other cultures they borrowed things from to construct their own ethno-nationalist 'history ' (especially when you previously denied and excused all that ) is now put down to be a 'similarity ' due to the idea that we all came from Noah's line . I mean really Daniel .... really ? Thats your latest tack , is it ? -------------------- In any case - have a nice holiday season with your family .

I have uncovered more ..... but I think I better PM you the answer .

Stuff people picked up from 'our instructor ' (I've since left ) , including ; Not being able to learn a form , even the first one , after months of training .... 2 hrs with me and they got it . Suggesting inappropriate techniques for self defence , eg. very slight , small Asian woman , told to do this, do that or whatever , then follow up with punch (which she was never taught to do properly anyway ) . She thought she could defend herself so I "Punch me ! ..... harder .... harder ! .... as hard as you can ! " Nope - very frustrated . Try again and kick me in the groin ...... OOOOOF ! ... now run ! " And her friend , similar : Too scared to hit . " Slap me upside the head " Nah ! .... eventually " Look ! Pretend I am Tony Abbot ! ( then our current anti-migration / sexists PM ) .... " SLAP ! ... " Oh ! sorry ! " Crazy bunkais that didnt work either . I introduced new ones that did ; Instructor ; " You have been 'moonlighting ' and gong to another instructor ! " And his unarmed defence against weapons ! My God, where would I start !

I felt sorry for him .

I need breakfast now .

Absolutely ! and try sleeping under this ! One place I camped was flat all the way around to all horizons . Now, most places I have been, sunset and night spread from the east ; the east sky is dark and can have the first stars while the western horizon might still be light and a bit blue . Out there , the middle of the sky starts to get dark with stars and that 'drops down' all around , 360 degrees , to leave a band of light blue sky circling around the horizon with a dome of blackness and stars overhead .... then that last ring of light winks out . and how many prophets spent time alone in the desert and wilderness and then came back with an experience to communicate .

Daniel does not 'catch up' - he passes by 90% of it , selects some thing or two he feels he can discredit and then goes about that badly . One assumes he is now busy listing every thing that was left out of the Egyptian prayer that Jews didnt adopt . Seems to have missed the point that if anyone is going to appropriate someone else's story to their own ends they will adopt only those parts that support their own ends and not the parts that do not support their own ends . Obvious , no ? <shrug> but that is how he chooses to run his arguments . A lot of belief and 'belief proof' seem to ignore certain basic underlying rational principles and understandings .

Lost in the desert 40 years ! Man ! It took me ONE DAY to get out ; The Pinnacles ... what a place ! I was so vibed and amazed I just kept walking , stared out on dawn . After a while, and a lot of meandering in wonder , I was getting hot, need water , shit ! How do I find my way back ? I started out with the rising sun on my right but now it was nearly noon . I soon realised that with a bit of loose time calculation, watching how long it took the Sun to move and considering the direction of shadows , I was able to go back the way I came ... it worked . The Pinnacles :