Nungali

After a a few more more hours of climbing Prince Luke saw a grass clearing ahead , behind that was a rock wall with a cave and sitting in front of the cave , cross legged on the grass sat The Hermit . The Prince approached , "Wise one , I have found you ! I am Luke and I .... " “I know who you are. I’ve been expecting you. Come, sit.” The Hermit patted the ground beside him and prince Luke sat down next to him . Prince Luke began immediately; " “They say that the Wise One knows all and can answer all questions.” The Hermit noded smiling. “What happens to us when we die?” The Hermit laughed , " O, young Prince, not even I know the answer to that one! No one knows … until they die.” Prince Luke contemplated the view in silence for a moment. “Wise One, what is all this?” he sweept his hand out over the view. “Life.” “But what is it FOR, what is it all about?” “THAT is what it is for! To ask that question. You have to work it out for yourself.” Prince Luke meditates a bit more; “Some say that all life is a stage on which we are players.” “They do.” “Is that true?” The Hermit looked a little uncomfortable and shuffled in his previously composed posture. He goes to say something but hesitates. Then he slumps, as if in resignation " Yes. " Prince Luke looked up at the Hermit with surprise. “So it IS true! … Then life … well then, life must be play on a stage.” “Oh yes, life is a story.” agreed the Hermit But Luke went on ; “Yes, but not just metaphorically. I mean, if say, this, is part of a story it must mean somebody has written the story.” “Well, logically, yes.” “And they would have written the play so people could read it.” The Hermit looked cautious .... " “Well, I think you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself there Prince Luke .” Another thin fish swims past in the air. Prince Luke goes to make a grab for it but stops. The fish scoots away on the air. Prince Luke's stomach rumbles, he rubs it as if hungry. He looks around slyly and then suspiciously at the Hermit. “But that wouldn’t make much sense would it?” The hermit looks relieved; " “No, no, it wouldn’t.” “Because the writer could just write in whatever he felt like …. making stuff up as he went along , he could make up crazy stuff , and us , we in the story ... life , well, we would be having all this crazy stuff happening to us , and thinking that was 'normal' and really confusing us . " A fish, the same as the others but very fat, swims past on the air. Prince Luke grabbed it. " Ah a! At last!” He put the fish’s mouth in his mouth and sucked it, the fish shrunk. He stoped and looks at the Hermit and offered the Hermit some ; "“Fish-sup?” The Hermit held up one hand and placed the other hand on his stomach and shook his head. “I’ve had my fill today thanks.” Prince Solomon finished the fish and now it is as thin as the others were, he lets it go and it swims off through the air.

After many days travel our little band of seekers had finally come to the Sacred Mountain where the Holy Hermit lived . Camp was set up at the base and it was decided one member of the group should attempt to scale the summit and reach the hermit in his cave , put to him the questions the group had been considering and return with his council . They held a quick discussion and decided Liminal Luke should be the one ( ... I know, right ! ... oh well , that's democracy for ya ! ) Apech informed him ; ' Beyond yonder arched gateway lies Chapel Perilous , there , things are very different , you will need your wits about you . " Nungali stepped forward ; " Here , you should take these ritual symbols of your symbolic princely quest ." He placed an ornate golden crown on his head and belted a sword to his waist . " Now you look the part ! " Luke set off, climbing the steep hill . As time went on the hill became steeper , but not too hard going , it was mostly grass with some smaller trees and rocks to negotiate . Prince Luke was tired so sat on a rock to rest ; " I which I had bought some food , " he said to no one in particular , " I am getting quite hungry . " Just then a huge fat colourful fish came along , swimming through the air . ' Ah! " Thought our Prince , " I must be at the beginning of 'the strange realm ' . He snatched the fish out of the air and examined it , it appeared to be smiling at him but also a little uncomfortable . It burped and a bubble appeared around its mouth and then burst , some went on the princes hand , he noticed the smell was pleasant and familiar ........ ? ... what WAS that smell ? ...... Tacos ! ? ... NO . He smelt it again ... yep , Tacos . He dipped his finger in and tasted , definitely tacos ! "Oh well", said the prince , " I am hungry enough so he stuck the fish's lips in his mouth and sucked . " Wow ! Thats good ... its like that astronaut food , in a tube ." As he sucked the fish, it got smaller until it seemed normal of a proportion . Now, also it seemed a lot happier , and swam off happily through the air . Then along swam another fish, it was fat as well and a green colour , Luke snatched it out the air and tried it , " Honeydew Melon ! " He supped , the fish shrank , he let it go and it swam happily away . " What a curious place ," he said , then he arose and continued his trek up the hill . At one place he had to negotiate brambles , they kept catching his clothes and particularly tangling his sword hanging from his belt .... "Why do I even need this thing ! .... was it a joke ?" He stabbed the sword in the ground upright and hung the crown from it " I'll get them on the way back " .

any one for some squid randori ?

.... and then slowly as they where drawn down the Great River unto the Great Sea , the post mortem hallucinations began ; my time in the jungles of Colombia ...... my one true love .....

Indeed ! Apech is soooo Barbaric ! Putting pics up of a penis ..... without a kynodesmē ! ..... disgusting ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kynodesme

Pssst ... Apech , have you noticed, all of a sudden , everyone else left ? I wonder why ?

! " Video unavailable " with a further explanation under that which says " This video unavailable " - just to make it clear it is THIS video here that is unavailable ... not another one somewhere else . Moving along .... 'Gidim' - ancient Sumerian : gig - to be sick , unhealthy , unwholesome ; dim - a demon . or Gi - black , dim - approach ; to approach darkness .

Yes , If you need to say something like that , or get it treated go to Traditional Chinese doctor . Tired and without mood indicates you need MORE drugs ..... my GOD ! Sound like one of those 'add two spaces guys ' ? I hope you are feeling a LOT better now .

Well ....... I've never had any trouble .

Curious . You see the Earth's electro-magnetic axis as its sushuma ? Venus in he role as Proserpina , of course . I was just about to answer , just to give you a peek . But I now realise, its not an answer you seek . If I may make a suggestion ...... you have put the answer before the question . .

Well, that just plain silly .... if me and Apech had a fight it would not look like that at all , and his low tactic would not work . Because I been practising iron ball Quigong ..... you start small , then work your way up ;

Nah ...... no mate , I'm not gonna hang on to that !

I am sure someone could make an artistic music video about it . or ' just art ' ;

' Sitting d own ' . Here, the standing half lotus is very common ( and yes , we do got 'em )

This thread is 'at a distance' to the other one .

Watching a doco on tv last night with friend . Adverts come on , I switch my attention to the fish tank . She doesn't . The she comments sarcastically ; " Oh good ... MCDonalds is 20% off this week . Me ; " That's a change , it used to be 100% off ! "

“The best laid schemes o' cats an' men. Gang aft a-gley”.

All from 'unrest in your stomach ' ! ? ? ?

What do you think it is ? I just wrote a bit about this recently . I have said this a few times ; I live in an area which I and others think (and people from elsewhere - the media, etc ) has a LOT going for it ; healthy, pristine, services , beach forest rivers , activities ... 'everything', let the local pharmacy has one of the highest rate per population of distribution of anti-depressants . I am the opposite . So this stimulated me to investigative the phenomena of modern high rate depression. Also, as an anthropologist, I study the subject in relation to displaced indigenous , where it is a HUGE problem and sometimes gets to an extent that is frightening . I also encountered bad levels of it in my work in refugee relocation . The progression , in cultures in crisis, concerning the individual ; they go through certain preliminary states - moving towards the crisis level + Substance abuse ( note abuse , not use , many cultures used drugs to their advantages ) . + Self harm abuse ( ie, not as scarification , initiation practice or 'mourning' - I have seen some horrible self inflicted 'mourning wounds ) . + Terminal self harm ( can include cutting off parts of the body and face ; nose ears, etc . manually ripping off the testicles - this indicates an unconscious urge to only destroy the self but the whole genetic lineage of the tribe ). + Suicide and death of the individual and eventually the culture .

It depends on the medication of course .... in some cases PLEASE keep taking it , in others ; chuck it . I'll put my experience here to clarify things . yes I have 'seen' many of the things Shadow self talked about ; the suicides, the self harm, etc etc . But also I worked in a public hospital for years (not as a professional ) which included the psyche ward and before that worked a youth 'drop in' centre where many times people with 'mental problems' or having a bad drug experience would turn up . One experience stood out ; Young woman turns up late at night , I am sitting at the desk and she " I want to kill myself . " She sounded light and half joking ... ho-hum, we get a few of these a week . Me ; " Knives are in the draw in the kitchen ." - that stopped here . " Oh ! I never got that answer before ! Just as well you knew I was joking because ..... look ." and shows me her writs, which are a mass of scars .... and not going across the wrists either , some the other way . This looks serious . Anyway , lovely girl it turns out . Had problems since adolescence ( surprise surprise ! ), 'treatment' and a regime of psyche drugs for years that really messed her up . It all started when she drifted out of her body one night and could look down in the room and see it . It scared her so she told her parents . Then it kept happening , she did a few trips around the house , then she started to feel like she was 'slipping out' while awake and walking around kept telling her parents so it was off to the psychiatrist . My work partner gave me a curious look and asked her ' Have you ever heard of astral projection ?' She was totally ignorant on such matters . She was given a couple of books to read , came back a week later beaming " I dont I was ever crazy after all ! " Every so often she would come and talk to us about issues . Eventually he was off meds. She even admitted herself ; "I have a LOT more work to do getting rid of this stuff out my system - the drugs AND the stuff they said and put into my head . " In other times she would have been considered a Priestess and her advice sought . In other times again, she might have burnt as a witch . - Poor old humanity

I hope the first paragraph is not based on personal experience ! Man, if mere pot did that to you ... dont go near psychedelics ! You are in no condition whatsoever ...... with those 'wires' torturing in your head and the other stuff you claim to experience .... to go near them .

I'll support that in ; my indigenous shamanic teacher never even bought up the subject of psychedelics .... those guys are half in the 'other world' anyway .

I got benefit from them . I am glad they 'broke the ground' . I claim to I have a strong, balanced, happy fulfilled and healthy psychology . https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20080227/antidepressants-no-better-than-placebo#:~:text=Antidepressants vs.,of the journal PLoS Medicine. Really ? There is a plot amongst psychiatrists and University faculties to dope up the unsuspecting to try and cover up some dodgy research in other areas of psychology ? Okey dokey ! You do realise such 'expose' can be made in all the sciences , even the hard ones ? Even against the whole way the current 'scientific method' is worked ? 'Soft science' , I do understand it isnt maths or engineering . Nah . I know people in other fields of science similar complaints ! Well, if you feel you really need to .... actually all I did was ask " Wot , not even Robin Carhart-Harris, " . I think you answered 'no' to that. But hey, if you need to pick a trial apart - go for it .... you can even pick the trial . And I bet I can top it with some of the stuff I was served up at Uni ( eg . regarding fossil reconstructions ... they are supposed to be a science to .... or I could direct you to a paper on 'Outdated Empire based interpretations in archaeology .' )

Even Jungian ones ? Hmmm .... I guess, thats why I dont 'administer' the substances . However that is exactly how I went into it myself .. and here's the thing ... due to that I now have a lot of 'clues' on what it is and how it works . . . . well , my mind that is . Not someone else's I seen how some people CAN react already . Actually , I already have enough problems in the past with people visiting and informing how much better they feel ...... now they have stopped taking their medications .... Beep ! Beep ! Beeeeeeeep ! Mmmmm ... yeah I suppose so . For me , it would depend on the type of psychiatrist , individually . They can always 'supplement ' from other sources . I would prefer that happening rather than what IS happening around here ; self styled shaman distributing it , some 'kung fu spiritual master ' who a very disturbed woman I know is getting it from ... wot a mess ! A new 'centre ' opening (illegally and underground ) offering all sorts of experience ; Ayahuasca weekends ( with 'shaman' present )

Its not a new thing actually . . In the 1950s and 1960s, scientists published more than 1,000 articles on using psychedelics as a psychiatric treatment; the drugs were tested on around 40,000 people in total.