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The Christians . But they should not have ... they should have said it leads to hell and eternal damnation ! And that is without examining the whole historical concept and understanding of the term . I guess the Christina demonologists left that bit out ? Ya never know .... walking down the street one day and ..... Dr Wilson Van Dusen in his article 'Presence of spirits in madness ' observes that psychiatric patients that complain of possession or similar conditions are often previously 'normal people like me and you ' that have a strange event 'happen to them ' ... you need not have a history of 'psychosis' . and of course, as you hint, there a variety of other reasons to study as well .

There are many reasons that are valid , but I assume they are beyond you . And if one is going to study this , I would not recommend 'Christian demology' at all . No wonder you got a biased education on it !

better than getting a high from retaining and accruing and selfishness . I believe it is the essential interior human motivation . Sure we dress it up in all sorts of dignified clothing but ... if one can have honest and accurate introspection . As the saying goes " even Sister Teresa did all that because she wanted to ." ... and on examination , her whole 'service' now seems in doubt . Just because I help an animal does not mean I am its master .... that is entirely sus ! A dog is capable of finding his own water in my environment . As are the animals I share food with . Possum can find honey , but I enjoy feeding her some , not to be her 'master' , not at all . I think that is a very strange concept . By they way , I only have 'feral' pets ... we share the environment here 'naturally ' ... with the exception of a few fish in a tank . However I think I understand what you mean ... after observing some with pets . being master is not a good way to relate to animals ... all the good experts ( like horse whisperers and good dog trainers ) only use that approach with an animal that has a natural hierarchical instinct ( eg the head mare of a herd ) , and even then , the relationship is not based on force .

Daily Dao .

I do and I will thank you to NOT put your overall judgement on me that was formed within and from your own limited experiences . All you have accomplished in acting like an idiot here ( for some time ) is to add more stupid to the stupid soup and made people think you are not capable of anything smart or insightful . ... which you now claim to be capable of ? In any case it's an admission on your part so I feel justified in writing you off and not seeking to penetrate into the diamond quality I believe each possess - but a few deny or cannot find within themselves . - But maybe I am just too much of an optimist .

However there is a magical teaching that might relate to this ; " when a man sells his soul for gold " The relevant passages : " ... Be thou therefore prompt and active as the Sylphs, but avoid frivolity and caprice; be energetic and strong like the Salamanders, but avoid irritability and ferocity; be flexible and attentive to images like the Undines, but avoid idleness and changeability; be laborious and patient like the Gnomes, but avoid grossness and avarice. 20. So shalt thou gradually develop the powers of thy soul, and fit thyself to command the Spirits of the elements. For wert thou to summon the Gnomes to pander to thine avarice, thou wouldst no longer command them, but they would command thee. Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee. ... " - Liber Librae

The high mass is also interesting , it has all the aspects of a magical ceremony. Some say that's because magic is a blasphemous copy of Christian ritual . BS ! As you noted, the church has picked up a whole lot of ritual and regalia from elsewhere ... that's an interesting study ! There is more than one version of the Eucharist ceremony out there ; The simplest ; take a substance , charge it / make it holy/ invite God into it and then eat it . all the way through to ; - personally I much prefer a beautiful woman on the altar than a tortured dying man . But then again, I am in 'the cult of life' not the cult of death .

First look into the word 'devil' and then the origins and history of the idea . If you believe in such concepts why does it follow that certain beings want payment and others not .... unless you have the idea that 'they are just bad ' without examining the origins of that idea . In folk traditions it usually comes from the mines ..... underworld : underground .: mining : IE. where the goodies are . Its dangerous down there , many died . Making an offering to the underground dieties might help you keep your life (and your soul attached to your body the more modern ideas come from 'Dr Faust 'and 'Faustus' popular stories in their day . The modern icon of the man that 'selss his soul to the Devil' has been tagged generally as the 'scientists ' . I think it would be better and bear better fruit to examine the dynamics involved in the modern manifestation of the myth . ... oh yeah and consider what 'soul' can mean ; not just the end version of (one of them) Faust where he is literally dragged down into a hell but when a living person on earth has 'lost their soul' ..... or something is "soulless " And this Devil idea was generated by those same people that want to have control and power over you . I guess you mentioning a credit card threw me off Here is one idea ; you give a dog a drink of water and you enjoy watching him drink the water . His enjoyment of the experience is enough . Another idea is that the 'transaction' is constantly being enacted ; the Gods are not corporeal, they need our incarnations to experience the 'wonders of the physical ' .

I see ... its deliberate then is it ? Why not 'jazz up' the internet a bit then and grace it with something better than cartoon comparisons with subjects some here take rather seriously ?

Yes you are wrong ... and so where the 'saints and Christian scholars' ( if that indeed is what they taught us ? ) . In some religions magic is permissible as long as it is attributed to its deity or clergy . For other to get involved in magic it is considered evil and attributed to evil forces . Figure that one out ! No . Did you ever have to pay your Mother back ? ( I mean, for all the stuff you where given and asked for as a child . )

I had to quote this in case you come back and edit it out . This is the 'best one ' you have posted so far .

Rare sea star pet

I am cute when I get woken up ... The second time , it's a bit annoying ... The third time , now I'm getting pissed ....

Ring-tail possum (s) .

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Did So Sahn absorb the Hideyoshi invaders into the palms of his hands ?

It appears you are not capable of forming a proper sentence, yet alone a response . Maybe constant cartoons have fried your brains ?

1. Honey is the best thing there is . 2. Keep the noise down in the day time, I am sleeping . 3. Don't bang the door ! I am trying to sleep right above it . 3. Don't eat more than a a few tid-bits of fruit during the day time .... you will wet the bed and it will run down the window . 4. Yes you can see the baby ... as long as I get some honey to distract me . 5. I smell like puppies and gum leaves . ( any guesses ? )

Zero . 'Various alien sources '

Or its evidence of .... a whole vast range of other stuff . But you stick with that one ... if it makes you feel better

Christian God freedom ? Like . you are free to disobey me if you want ....... but expect eternal spiritual damnation and agony forever for being disobedient .

Oooops .... I jumped one there (Sorry about that Mark Foote - - went back and fixed it ) . .

words flow unconscious from the unenlightened hand worse than misplaced feet .

You cant compete with a whippet . That's more like 'cat scampers up fence and then jumps when it doesnt have to and head buts barn wall Stoopid cats !