Nungali

No effin way ! its a state thing . Used to be able to grow some in S.A. .... dont know what happened with that . A few years back , my neighbor got busted ; helicopter with 3 crew flew around her garden { $ cost ? } , then a 4WD with 4 crew turned up and spent over an hours there { $ cost ? } and gave here a charge for cultivation ( she had one immature plant in veggie patch ), she had to go to court { $ cost ? } and got fined $100 . The worst one I heard about was a mother who had a badly epileptic son, she was at her wits , her physical and emotional ends ... until a friend recommend M . Then she got onto a Doc who supplied . She was amazed at how their lives turned into some normality . But then Doc got busted . Anyway , they made a tv doco about it and how stupid the law was and the woman said she now had to get it from other sources . next week she got busted , and not a normal bust but cops in riot gear, armor ... heaps of them , descended on her , like an anti-terrorist operation . Cant remember the punishment , it was over the top . Now we do have some medical M permissions , but its difficult .

What made me laugh today ? Some of the 'wisdom' I read on Daobums . (particularly that guy that didnt want to have any sexual identity ... because thats kinda sexy )

No-thing : " I dont want to be a man or a woman .... a sexless alien is ........." ( wait for it ) " ......... kinda sexy . ' Ummmm wot ?

Oh, okay , I get it , thanks . Scientists from ancient Lemuria went and settled on Mars . https://www.lightascension.com/arts/Lifeonmarslemuria.htm (I love this bit ; -Boris, why do our space stations crash before they reach Mars?

Who is the accurate Lois ? Please put your hand up .

Accurate ? Like the images of 'The Mystery of Life ' and 'Lois the Dao Bum' ?

Type in any text ..... to get a picture of it . here is another way of doing that ; https://images.google.com.

Thing is, so did I ... and got a totally different picture . I think you got scammed Lois ..... that program is just throwing up random pictures unrelated to what you type in .

Okay ... I typed in 'Lois the Dao Bum ' and got ....

'Nothing' - is when you make a post in white lettering

But you are the one yourself that talks about having a mental illness . I listened, smiling , once to a Buddhist Monk that gave a great little talk to me on "Everything you think you feel is an illusion of the self, and only you know it and feel it. " I nodded in agreement and then added " Of course, there is the question of 'consensual reality. ' " - and then he began smiling . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality

But who can solve .... ' The Mystery of Lois ' ?

How does that work ? 'Ancient Lemuria ' made an image of itself in the form of a planet and projected it into orbit ? 'Ancient Lemuria' went to Mars and settled on it ? ' ( I never heard this one before ! )

Nope , totally wrong ! If you are going to use the 'Magick word' it does have a specific definition ... and yours is NOT it . and the rest your post is confused and contradictory .

You are sooo confused (about a lot of stuff) . You state there is no protection against it and in the next sentence talk about defending against it .

Wow ! ... just wow ..... I was gentle about something ! ?

Re the bolded bit above . Read up on the Wiki article on NLP , its heavily debunked there . (not that I am suggesting fake stuff will NOT work on the susceptible - it will .) Also, I tend not to deal with things as valid if they are NOT a 'law of nature' . If I examine something and I cant see it is a reflection of the laws of nature , then I throw it out as some aberrant construct of the human mind .

I noticed a couple of bumped old threads and read back through them . Those where the days ! The 'glory days' of Daobums ! Deep thought and intellectual knowledge coupled with practical experience , novel relevant ideas and experience. Interesting people . WTF happened ? I see this spread through many (if not all ) aspects of life . (And no it isnt due to 'pandemic' this trend started way before that ) . Now , even if such treasures are bumped .... I am sorry but .... not much of significance or depth is offered , maybe a one line comment ; 'I had one of those ..... them things are good ..... oracle decks are magical .... ' or worse , some insane concoction of confusion fantasy ego and non learning ..... ..... or just post a you tube . Often a logical conversation can not be had , people can not communicate like they used to, illogical, bad syntax to the point of non comprehension, dishonesty in discussion, avoidance , diversion etc . ; ' What the hell are you trying to say , are you using an online translator ? - no , English is my first language ' . I am not picking just on Daobum people , its rife, in many forums and many areas of life .

Because most people are not very aware of what is going on - especially in 'subtle realms' . Not many are aware of their True Will - and that has repercussions 'all down the line' . 'The Daze of Our Lives ' Yes . That knowledge should be part of a valid tradition in Magick, awareness, self development , etc . Its a combination of things I mentioned above plus a healthy dose of reason and sense , an understanding of the different influences in our psyche ( mental, emotional, etc and their influence and power ) and their balance , criticism , humour and also the whole underlying view one has , ie. what's you aim? Why are you doing things ? Eg to practice certain 'magics' for the wrong reason can be a real pitfall . Also their are dominant and submissive 'types' - victims and perpetrators . Studies have been done on that , victims can even have unconscious body language that unconsciously attracts the criminally dominant . Even their gait , some serial victims have had 'how to walk different' lessons so they do not attract victimisation, robbery, etc . Then there is the dominant type , particularly those that have 'compelling powers' , or eyes, as they say - ' Animal Magnetism ' .

It looks like you are now talking about 'spells' - as in 'folk magic' ; love spells, curses , etc. things like that . If so, yes, some who call themselves 'white magicians' offer that service ; removal or reversal of spells , some shaman do it too . But there are many ways to influence and control others . Nowadays ( in the scientific era - since the 'dynamics of transference' have been shattered , along with the old concept of the Universe ) the explanations have defaulted , mostly, to 'psychological reasons' . Hence the 'native' is cured or cursed by the witch doctor becasue the native believes the witch doctor can harm or heal him - putting the cause back on the 'victim' . In other cases , where I have seen ' magic work ' , that appears to circumvent any psychological explanation , I cant explain the process . Then again I use electricity constantly , I can rave on about the theory of it and how it works , I installed and built my own solar power system but I dont really know actually how it works or understand it . One of my first teachers said to me ; " If someone asks you a question you can not answer , tell them ' It's a mystery.' . " Eh ? Not sure what that means either . A spell is there all along but has no result ? Or a spell doesn't work or doesn't have an effect ? Again, I am not clear on what you mean , so I will guess . How would one know the real and true intent behind someone you are going to let influence you ? 1. If you are old enough and smart enough, you do as much preliminary research as you can . 2. You learn as much as you can about yourself ; your strengths and weaknesses . Especially in your emotional realm and realise its significance and influence on you . This includes your psyche and psychological make up . 3. If its a 'spirit' or 'disembodied / personified ' force there are ways to test and analyse them . ( That's basic ' Magic 101 ' and akin to the electricians 101 lessons about what different colours on wires mean ) 4. One should be a bit 'forearmed' anyway and be able to handle interferences , or even 'onslaughts' - thats like 'Magic 102 ' 5. Hopefully, you have good 'guardians' - to guard you as you 'grow up ' , on several levels . That can be common actually . People can sort of 'freeze up ' when danger threatens or happens . Others actually perform better under danger and stress . Ah , thats clearer to me . If something is against your will but you are being somehow manipulated into doing it and / or you dont have the will to resist , is there any way out of the situation ? I would say , perhaps , for some . Those that can address some of the stuff I mentioned above , cultivate some type of self development and insight , then as you progress, certain dynamics should start to reveal themselves to you . I should point out, that to an extent , every single human 'suffers' this dynamic ( ie. being manipulated into something you dont want to do and seeing no way out of the situation ) . Look into behaviourism , programming, etc . ( Magick is supposed to be about all this stuff - self development, improvement and awareness of your situations , obvious and subtle .) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-circuit_model_of_consciousness (Exopsychology) 'Boyfriend' ! Ughh ! I cant imagine what goes on inside a relationship between 'normal people' . Some even beat up their 'lovers' ! How the fuck did I end up on this planet ? Sure ! Many have realised that even Gurdjieff ; “In order to awaken, first of all one must realize that one is in a state of sleep. And in order to realize that one is indeed in a state of sleep, one must recognize and fully understand the nature of the forces which operate to keep one in the state of sleep, or hypnosis. "

The other thing is , if the average person was not walking around in some near type of hypnotic programmed trance anyway ( ie. 'normal consciousness ' ) they would not be so susceptible to such influences in the first place.

Well, they are all very different things globbed together . So I dont think you will get an informed answer about whatever this 'whatever they call it ' thing is . Even looking at one of them ; 'occult magic(k)' , the definition would be obscure . However one can define magick as Crowley (Oooops! there I go again ) distinctly added the k so as to give the word a specific definition . So the 'how and if' of that could be explained . The how and if of NLP is different , as is 'black tantra' . Maybe its better , and if this IS actually your focus , to ask , how do people get influenced to do things by others ? That would seem to encompass the collection of things you sampled above . Obviously I do not always mention him . But when the discussion is about modern magic and occultism , to leave him out would be a bit like leaving Einstein out of a discussion about physics . And actually, I dont particularly hold him in high regard . But I do hold some of 'his' system in high regard , and some of that is a development of others works or outright plagiarism . Some of his stuff I would not touch with a 10 foot pole . Sift for the gold and discard the dross, I say . Again, asking if 'that stuff' works is too obscure . What 'stuff ' ? Since it is not defined , I will choose something out of the vast field of 'Crowley stuff' about " how it could influence people on a subconscious level ' . The best example here is probably 'dramatic ritual' , it is used in initiation systems (and has been from the early Palaeolithic, through all times ( eg of the 'mid range' - Mithracism ) right up to the present ( Freemasonry, G.D. , O.T.O. , etc )' . These dramatic ritual rites are seen in initiation ceremonies , public performances or rites of celebration ( as in Elysium ) Mass , etc . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_Mysteries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rites_of_Eleusis Basically it 'imprints' as it imitates a 'significant life experience' , it is hoped it becomes 'an imprint' that helps to guide you throughout your life . Things taught to us in other ways ( rote or textbook learning ) can fade into insignificance . The senses and emotions are stimulated , colour form and symbolism is used ( and symbolism, being 'the language of the unconscious' ) provides a direct route into unconscious influence . Well, thats why it is often seen as 'effective ' . If you dont know .... how do you know ? Ever tried to convince a crazy or hallucinating person they are crazy or hallucinating ? ..... Nope ! . Its better to 'catch the bird' . Sometimes , people get a hint that something isnt right eg a member here wrote that they realised they where thinking about harming their beloved pets . Things dont gell or are different . Some get a check up' every so often via scrying , by self or a trusted other person . Friends may point out different or unusual behaviour in you , etc . There ! I wrote that bit without mentioning Crowley once ........ oh damn !

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