Nungali

No , not only are you now making stuff up , you are quoting 'me' from 16 hrs ago ; and responding with this post , yet looking at the record, I never said that in ANY post marked 16 hrs ago , which means you quoted a 16 hr old post, removed my text from it and inserted your own words to make it look like I said that , so you could lay your trolling game also I note, at the time of THIS post yur above 'illegal post ' shows it is unedited , so dont run back and try and change it now No , by doing that ... YOU have actually lost ... and soon you will find out why .

This seems to be the limit of your comprehension ? Really ? You say you will look into something , you dont , when someone else does and osts a detailed yet simple explanation for your elucidation and to correct your entirely faulty and wrong premise that you base your tantric advice on , you come up with an infantile response like that ? I hope you continue to carry on this manner as it only exposes yu and backs up what the other posters here have pointed out about you and your silly theories . The article explains that the Moon DOES NOT lift water 3 feet . You just made that up yourself . If your brain could work in any logical deductive way , you would realise the Moon cant lift water as if it could, all th water on Earth would have been lifted off about 3 billion years ago . What, you think the Moon's gravity lifts water 3 feet and then somehow stops lifting it ? Very entertaining Carry on , I cant wait to see what comes next .

I agree ..... however I am not a 'lowly mortal ' .

I didnt think they where the same thing ... ? I see jindan ( 金丹 "golden elixir") as 'immortal elixir' not ' immortal seed ' . Here is how I see the 'immortal seed' ; “I am the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star. I am Life, and the giver of Life; yet therefore is the knowledge of me the knowledge of death.” I will not define the 'one great pearl' as I am not " living inside a cave of demons on the black mountain " The question came from the cave of demons - The master answered with a mudball. Beyond telling, absolutely beyond telling, Ultimately we can only nod to ourselves. - Hsuan-sha 300 Koan Shobogenzo, case 15. But we know what that is . I dont need to look it up, I have known about this for decades. ... and it isnt just A crystal each leaves behind that is the 'one' pearl that contains our life essence , it can be several from the one body . So that idea is 'out the door' . But you can look it up , here is a start ; https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/7459/what-are-sariras-scientifically-seen and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Śarīra#Scientific_analysis The 'secret' of its ( the 'seed of life' ) passing is given in most 3rd degree initiations . Its an 'obvious secret ' .

* You said you would do research on how the Moon effects the fluid in our bodies . You either didnt do it or dont want to post the results . I'll do it for you ; How Does the Moon Affect Our Bodies? Physically, the bright light from a full Moon has been shown to affect sleep—which could make us feel out of sorts. However, does it affect our fluids—our blood flow, mucus, and brain chemicals? You might think, “If I’m made mostly of water, and the Moon pulls untold tons of seawater as it controls the tides, why shouldn’t the Moon personally affect me?” Nope. The Moon cannot budge even a gram of your bodily fluids. That’s for two reasons: First, the lunar tides arise mostly because there’s a 7% difference in lunar gravity between its pull on the side of Earth nearest it, and the side farthest away. This difference is the tidal effect. But since there is no difference between the Moon’s gravity-strength acting on your head and acting on your feet, your body is bathed in equality so far as the Moon is concerned. Nothing budges. So you see, the Moon has no attraction for water! Rather, its effect depends on any distance-variations. " and for your further elucidation about the Moon;s gravity effect on earths oceans and tides ( ie nothing is 'pulled up ' ) The above illustration really makes it clear how the Moon creates its three-foot tidal bulge on Earth’s oceans, even if the lunar gravity is far too weak to lift anything—even single atoms—upward in any way. Look at the two spots in Earth’s oceans marked A and B. The Moon’s gravity is pulling upward on each drop of ocean water. The pull is NOT straight up, but toward the Moon, which almost always is in some direction at an angle. This lunar torque thus has a vertical and a horizontal component, each of which is depicted by a thin line. The vertical component has no affect on the water, because it’s more than counter-balanced by Earth’s much stronger gravity in the opposite, downward direction. But the horizontal vector is not opposed by anything. Thus, each drop of sea water is nudged SIDEWAYS, toward the Earthly spot that’s right beneath the Moon. Each bit of nudging is tiny, but it adds up until, at that region beneath the Moon, the ocean piles up to a height of three feet above normal. (When the rotating Earth brings this tidal bulge toward land, the shallowing seabed accentuates it, so that the average coastal tide is five feet.) So now you know why tides happen. Nothing is pulled up toward the Moon. However, all the seawater is moving SIDEWAYS. " https://www.almanac.com/how-does-moon-affect-our-bodies [ even sources like Farmer's almanac know about this ! ]

Well, it actually isnt . I was playing on YOUR field there .... a lot of stuff 'in your field' (of reasoning and explanations ) ' isn't ' eg see below * ... and your failure to offer results of any 'research' you said you where going to do . - that's all very personal and focused on me . I have been frozen , burnt , murdered and other stuff in this thread . Maybe do your experiments on a cat ? Yes, I can honestly say I dont like that . The reason I dont like it is becasue it is illogical and not thought through properly . Here are some real heroes .... rightly acknowledged .... no one had to be murdered for them to exist ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero Except it isn't . Birth is the beginning of an individual's life . I am not 'in ' anything that I need to dig myself out of .... except in your imagination . Since you asked , yes , Procreation and birth are different things . and since you have introduced a new term for an opposite ; procreation is a a term that covers the process of ; procreation noun [ U ] formal uk /ˌprəʊ.kriˈeɪ.ʃən/ us /ˌproʊ.kriˈeɪ.ʃən/ the process of producing young animals or babies: While birth is a part of that process : birth /bəːθ/ noun noun: birth; plural noun: births the emergence of a baby or other young from the body of its mother; the start of life as a physically separate being. ..... as I said above . now ... see below .

OMG ! How did you find out about ...... that ! ???

That is how he works ; I first wrote ; Posted Tuesday at 08:37 AM " Anyway, I will answer you question ; I believe the opposite of murder / killing someone is saving someone's life . Also, on a large scale of murder and killing ( say, a war for example , or a genocide ) the opposite of that is saving people, helping them and offering them refuge and assistance . " Then Leafy wrote : Posted yesterday at 06:37 AM " Cultural genocide(suffering) would make people have a civil war and fight for their freedom and take better care of their books ect. ( contentment) " Note his addition . and now ; " Btw thought cultural genocide was just destroying their history and books. Didn't realize you meant actual genocide. "

... but they always say that . - that gif looks more like he is pulling down a blind so he can spy through it ! .... may I offer a more appropriate 'curtain close ' ?

' Its the ' 5 element theory in some cultures and the 4 element theory in others . What you just wrote would be as biased as me writing ; its the 4 element theory not 5. Fruiting and seeding are an extension of the flowering process . Its part of the reproductive cycle ; the flowers are the sexual organs and the seed ( and its fruit coating or association ) its 'archetypal pattern . A plant has two main modes ; the first is sometimes called rampant growth and is fuelled by, mostly nitrogen , then it changes to 'archetypal growth ', mostly fuelled by phosphorous ( the medium balancing 'fuel' is potassium ) . Just for others info who might be reading and unfamilar with my many posts on this subject - I was the Biodynamic Association of Australia , preparations maker and distributor for some time . However I am open to any criticisms on this ; you would have been better off taking me to account on the 4 things plants need , as I left out atmosphere ( relating to air ) . My post you are now criticising was actually about that . No one 'forgot the dots ' . I have had many conversations here , including with some that posted in this thread that you criticise , on that dynamic ... its a very basic dynamic and understanding most find within Dao101 ... or even just glancing at the image . You also missed this as well . You seem lacking in comprehension of what people write . The one 'force' it all comes from is Dao which is actually 0 force or 'thing' from that comes one , one begets 2 ... and so on , I just wrote that . You seem blind to certain things ... for the sake of criticism . Try reading Ch 42 again , that is the process outlined simply and it, as I did , acknowledge the 'one force' . Go jump off a cliff then Oh dear ? Do you actually know what the strong and weak force is ? These are the four fundamental forces or governors of nature ' . here ya go ; https://www.space.com/four-fundamental-forces.html Also, for 5 forces there is also 'quintessence ' . I have written extensively about all this elsewhere on the site . Why ? So now ..... I hate the dao . From what I wrote , you got ; I hate the Dao . - I think we have a hopeless case here . No, of course not ... you did , several of them actually . and continually . Of course I have , you just choose to be blind and not see it . More than once I wrote that death is the polarity of birth and both are parts of life . I also wrote that death does not have to be murder in this case , it can be any death . I also clearly wrote that the opposite of life ( the 'animate' ) is the inanimate . I never wrote anywhere that the opposite of birth is life . Either you have a big perception and communication problem , or you are trolling . Again, if you have an issue with what I write , quote it exactly via the quote function and then address it . And, for the 3rd time , stop making up stuff that you attribute to me in order to criticise it . Just quote me accurately and then criticise it . Syntax again ! I didnt 'forget' birth is the 'initial spark of life' - that is wrong . Life continues and passes on , life is in the parents , life is in their sex cells, life is in a zygote ,the fetus and hopefully the baby when it is born . You really need some very basic education in biology , physcis and general knowledge , otherwise , in testing any theory or realisation you read about or come up with, you have nothing valid to test it against , except your own misunderstandings . Like I said before [ go talk to a mother about that . ( I cant believe this guy thinks a baby in the womb is not alive yet ! ) OHHHHHH ! Now I get it ! You are struggling to understand Dao, nature and reality under an installed Christian / Old testament programme ! Thats how the God and murder thing got into it . Interesting twist you give it though not that birth and murder are outcomes of God making creation and destruction ( gardens and flood ) and birth and murder 9 Cain and Abel ) are a reflection of this but God made creation and destruction in order to give rise to birth and murder . I see ...... carry on .... Nah . You soooo mixed up about what I wrote . My comment about suicide was in relation to yours about there is always a way up and out for people suffering , I said except for suicides . How on earth did you link that to the 'we need murders for babies to be born ' ? Murder him you mean ...... but that would, according to your murder and babies theory , create a new Universe I like that . Sometimes it seems so ; 'God / Dao' (if you like ) is the 'impetus' to bring somethingness out of nothingness . No, I can see you are trying to think things through . Your issue is not that at all ... its how you think them through , there also seems to be some type of 'programming error' and an issue with communication and taking in the meaning of what is actually written down .

I find this 'cool and interesting ' . Many natural processes are set up in the same way ; one begets two, two begets 3 ( and a combination of those three produces '4' or the 'myriad things )' . In the above case it would be flowers ( and seeds ) . Plants have 4 main ' functional parts' ; roots, stems, leaves, flowers (or a reproductive mode ) . They relate also to the four elements in an 'active and receptive pairing ' . Their requirements are light, moisture, temperature and a growing medium ( like soil) - fire, water, air, earth . Even the earth they grow in needs a balance of nitrogen, potassium, phosphorus and a 4th group of trace elements. Again these trace elements consist of 3 main ones , with a fourth group of micro-elements . ... and so on . So not only is the 'ying yang relationship' evident throughout nature , it is evident within nature as we 'shrink down' to even, the sub-atomic , or further ( eg string particle theory talks about two types of strings ; open ended - like a line , or closed, like a loop or circle ) and way 'up' on the astro-physical level ..... and even the 'immaterial forces' ( the 'charges' ) - the forces behind everything ( the 3 primaries being strong force, weak force, electromagnetic force and their 'resultant' gravity ) . 'Yin yang relationships that are structurally integral in a way that describes life processes' seem everywhere . ( I hope that wasn't mentioning things willy - nilly )

.... I dont believe that is a real picture ; the angle of the shadow on the floor does not ........

Previous : " it's most likely that people entered the Americas around 16,000 years ago. " " The "Clovis first theory" refers to the 1950s hypothesis that the Clovis culture represents the earliest human presence in the Americas, beginning about 13,000 years ago; evidence of pre-Clovis cultures has accumulated since 2000, pushing back the possible date of the first peopling of the Americas.[10][11][12] Research published in 2021 dated faunal bones, mostly of rabbits and associated with what may be stone tools of human origin, discovered in the Coxcatlan Cave, to between 33,448 to 28,279 years old. Such finds indicate that the human arrival in the Americas possibly occurred prior to the Last Glacial Maximum.[13] More recently, in September 2021, scientists reported the discovery of human footprints in White Sands National Park in the state of New Mexico that are understood to be 23,000 years old, around the time of the Last Glacial Maximum, and the oldest record of humans in the Americas. " - Wiki . " In a study of exposed outcrops of Lake Otero in New Mexico, the United States, archaeologists have discovered numerous human footprints dating to about 23,000 to 21,000 years ago " http://www.sci-news.com/archaeology/americas-oldest-known-human-footprints-10100.html

For example ; take these beady little suspicious eyes .... one can easily see a life time of degradation and debauchery etched deep within the soul ;

" I'm Jesus Christ, whether you want to accept it or not" — Charles Manson

I saw a rad doco on psychopaths , it tracked their development back to certain childhood traits . A precursor to many of them was the inability to meet eye to eye . Kids with these traits developing where experimented on with a gentle and continual insistence on eye contact . They didnt like it , avoided it , at first got angry , but then as they did more of it , you could see them 'melt' into it , start to show a different look in their eyes , softer and kinder , and then their indicative traits started to go away and they started developing as normal kids . [ Psychopathy is defined as a mental (antisocial) disorder in which an individual manifests amoral and antisocial behavior, shows a lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, expresses extreme egocentricity, and demonstrates a failure to learn from experience and other behaviors associated with the condition.]

It would REALLY help if we knew who you were addressing . It is a simple matter to hit the quote button and then enter your text in response to what you are quoting . Sexual abuse is 'unlikely' but it does happen . But remember , there is also many other types of child abuse and 'aberrant parental behaviour' ; smoking in front of children is one , I am sure I became tobacco addicted at an early age , the house was full of tobacco smoke . In other cases , alcohol and drug consumption . What ? You think a kid bought up in a house where drug and alcohol consumption is rife will not have a proclivity towards that ? Now you are becoming offensive . Blaming the victim is very indicative of a particular syndrome ! and you are prepared to do this , just to defend (badly ) some idea you have that got into your head about 'spoilt ' people . That is not the stuff that makes you " weird " . Actually, it sounds healthy .... I hope its good pure water though . You just make inane inaccurate statements to support your view . Consider this : what abut all those situations we have had , even recently , where they just DID NOT simply 'have a civil war ' ? " Take care of their books " ..... genocide would make people take care of their books .... and somehow this brackets contentment . Right ..... I am tempted to walk away right now .... but I see this dynamic draws 'certain things ' out of you , so I will continue for the sake of exposing you ( because now I have another reason to ) . You mean , the 'freedom' to own and control slaves ? I see , wars solve problems now and lead to contentment . Again my theory about 'the other virus' sweeping through the western world seems validated ! what ... a 1000 year cycle ? Because Gods like Jehovah and Allah are war Gods . And people that follow them get into war and start wars . Thats why I prefer the 'Gods' of Buddhism and Dao , that focus more on the way of harmony . No it isnt ! You seem to just think things in your head from your own limited perspective with apparently little education or objective insight and far to little consideration of of other people's actual situation . For example , 'back in the day wars were waged with just fists" - thats bullshit ! pure bull and bat shit , if not prove it ! Even here in Australia , which has one of the world most ancient cultures into recent times , wars where fought with spears, shields and clubs . And that was even before the use of bow and arrow ! You dont make things 'valid' just by declaring they are , especially things that come from one's own limited experience More insults then ? So, dont expect people to bother explaining things to you with too much sympathy . Its a combination of ego, self righteousness, lack of education and privileged opinion which tries to justify its own unjust existence and life style .... mhe , we see it a bit here , and they react pretty much like you have when the surface of their self righteous and opinionated ' knowledge ' is scratched . Whatever ..... dont forget that to master your body, you need to master your mind and thinking process , something Drew miserably failed at , and I dont think you will learn how to do that from him or other sources . There is a big pitfall in all of this and many fall into it ... regardless of how 'advanced ' they may be in technique and practice . Obviously you never read the stuff here . I found the guy a raving lunatic , and that is evidenced by my converse with him on a variety of subjects , I dont care about that other stuff, if someone acts like he and you do, and give the responses and opinions you and he have done here , thats enough to tell what type of person they are . What I am talking about has nothing to do with what you just mentioned above . more insults . Which , becasue of your syndrome , you will never achieve . I couldnt give a flying fuck at the moon about your dare ! I am not eve talking about things like that , its basically way below that what your problem is , its an issue with a basic comprehension about life and the human experience and condition . if you dont have that as a base anything you learn or study doesnt mean shit . You seem to not realise that it fluctuates according to how ignorant and rude you have been to us .

Try this then ..... ( the book contains much more info ... it starts before the ice age started ) ; That is a big one ! Its either 'ceremonial' or the type of 'arrow head' I have seen elsewhere , where the bow and the arrow are HUGE , the arrow, virtually the size of a spear . The finder talks about being elated at his find . Imagine finding a shelter, with fresh (days old ) evidence of occupation with a half made stone axe - a MUCH earlier design than this - and tools laying about ..... which has been my experience .

maybe he and many of us think its just too obvious and well known and we are not pushing some personal ego agenda to try and prove something so the need for examples is not there . Anyway, I know of many examples where a family history of violence or even sexual abuse is handed on . I could give you medical and psychological research on it , but then . western medicine is fake and lies , yeah ? Oh, the twists and turns our egos create !

and there is nothing that the magnificence Nungali can not do ! if there is ... I just have not done it yet .

Wow ! You never had sickness cured by a doctor , never had stitches or a headache tablet or pain relief ? Most people that criticise western medicine have surgeons at the forefront of their dislike ! I worked in OT as well , believe me , inside info on surgeons is pretty startling !

I think he read it 'somewhere ' or got it off someone else (which he why he doesnt know the details .... yet * ) ... maybe some guy sitting in lotus at McDonalds ? *

I look forward to the results of your research . here are some other considerations ; check out how the CSF is in a closed system that distributes the pressure in it to various areas of that system and how it varies and what internal mechanisms drive and regulate this naturally and under what cycles,with their internal and external influences . Here is a start ; ' Craniosacral Biodynamics ' .... Did you know that there is also a therapy that physically manipulates these changes in pressure from spine to skull ? Also, check out the medical condition known as 'coning' and the very radical emergency medical treatment for it ( which I have been personally involved with ..... inside a hospital elevator ! )

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I look forward to the results of your research . here are some other considerations ; check out how the CSF is in a closed system that distributes the pressure in it to various areas of that system and how it varies and what internal mechanisms drive and regulate this naturally and under what cycles,with their internal and external influences . Here is a start ; ' Craniosacral Biodynamics ' .... Did you know that there is also a therapy that physically manipulates these changes in pressure from spine to skull ? Also, check out the medical condition known as 'cranial coning' and the very radical emergency medical treatment for it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompressive_craniectomy ( which I have been personally involved with ..... inside a hospital elevator ! )