Nungali

I made a mistake

The soldier and the hunchback ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ? - a question leads to an answer , which leads to another question, which leads to an answer , which leads .... The benefit of accrued experience and knowledge , that hopefully leads to understanding and wisdom . Yes, or , whoever you relate to . Eg . I spent a lot of time looking after a friends small children , during that I lerant patience and tolerance and kindness to children . Now when I interact with children , I apply that . Hmmm ... good point . Perhaps not ....... things do 'shift' though into other dynamics . ' . One needs one's own clarity to be clear with others. Some cover their confusion in all sorts of ways , its rather frustrating ... but a 'truth teller' can be frustrating too ; " Your not even really my boyfriend ! Why are you hanging around all the time, haven't you got your own things to do and your own place to look after ?" Okey dokey , I go and do that then . ... 3 days later , on the phone ( crying ) " Where have you been, why have you abandoned me ! " sorry for confusions , he is Just a guy we make fun of here . the crux of that part was 'oad' ( orgasm at a distance ) in reference to my friend who floated through the window - we never actually touched ( at a distance ) but had amazing energy interaction ('orgasm' ) I too can be obscure at times . ( Hmmm ..... I should look at that ) ...... another reason for 'obscurity' - we have complex thoughts and think others are 'on the same page ' so when we reveal part of or the end of those thoughts , it can appear obscure to others . Good question . None of it might be a mistake . Then again, everytime we think " Damn , I should have done ...... instead ' we could think of it as a mistake . I suppose the main point is NOT if we make a mistake but what we learn . But sometimes there are easier ways 'to make a mistake' - one can observe another's recklessness, say in driving and observe their results ; they have now have a life long disability , and/or have injured others , NOW they have learned to drive safely . You could go down that path or maybe observe the other's mistake and drive carefully yourself or maybe have a near miss ' mistake' and start driving more safely because of that. I hope I havent been to obscure or explained the obvious to you

Congratulations on your graduation then .

I think locational differences , as far as subtle energies go are related to N - S , not E - W , I cant see a dynamic t create that . The other influences here are climate and geography . Here, we have been stable for years yet others live next to erupting magma pits . I think the cultural / earth energetic fields are related , but more by locality . I would be rather nervous living near an active volcano . I[I am remembering camping out at Rotorua, ( highly geologically active ) sleeping on the ground was crazy .... I could feel its 'thinness' and the surging energy down there [ trucks drove past and the noise and vibration felt hollow ] Even the natives seemed 'volatile' and 'volcanic' ! I have always felt more attracted to the western traditions , though they are more esoteric and hidden ( in the east its mostly exoteric ) and a little bemuse at all these Aussies running around trying to adapt to eastern systems - even though my tradition is eclectic - there is no prohibition on 'getting into' eastern stuff, but you 'curriculum' and the way its set up in stages of progress is a western model . . But location is important ... its the land we live on and the enrgy we live in . So My main focus has been ' blood and land' ; my 'genetic traditions' and 'local' shamanism . We are 'top heavy' one notices that with martial arts - and men more so than women . But I suspect it might be conditional - eg this has happened so many times in training ; Me; " Push me " ( or , when they are in an advantages position, at the beginning of a lock , throw or take down ) ... " Now push ! ... no PUSH ! ... push ! surge through .... " Nope . " Right , forget all that , come over to the car ... its stuck on a flat spo with a flat battery . Do you think you can psh it forward ? " As soon as they start to , even before hands on ... ' Stop ! Now look at what you are doing , you instinctivly spread your feet, bent your knees a little , lowered your centre , etc now do that when you 'push' me . People 'face off' puffing out their chests and lifting their shoulders up ..... look out if the appear calmer and 'sink' a little . Well, I think you heard me before on this , my 'raid and run' theory of human aggression . Most societies seemed more peaceful with each other until the Indo Europeans started charging all over the place on their new horse critters - IE and horses and some others ( like Vikings and their ships ) - when one thinks one can escape the consequences of their actions , those actions become irresponsible .

Going out for a Big Wack

Come over here Limi ... I got something to show you ....

Okay , so that one's over - onwards and upwards , its all part of the big jig saw puzzle - we learn as we go along ... and hopefully, whoever is related to next gets the benefit of your experience . Sounds like he is being obscure and cant cough up exactly what he needs to ? Brilliant ! ..... you may have discovered the only safe way to approach Drew ; Sorry, what the whole point of what ? - the picture thing/ your coincidences ? Or Drew thinking he can give girls at McDonalds OAD ? The point of the second is to boost Drew's ego The first ? Jeeze ! Who knows , sometimes blind chance or a mistake can have an amazing effect , sometimes it seems like the whole thing is orchestrated . I seem to fluctuate between the two at different times , although I have to say in my most doubting moments I have been 'slapped in the face ' by certainty of this orchestration .. and even if I somehow orchestrated these events myself ( internally / psychologically ) that suggests other equally fantastic forces at work . Well, thats a whole curriculum of magical training - one way to start is to keep a dream diary . If you are interested about intense relationship dynamic with others that energise us / cause reactions ... and since you seem 'up on astrology' a bit , I would refer you to the writings of psychological astrologer Liz Greene . She has some excellent stuff on anima animus dynamics and how it interplays . Hmmmm ..... thats a BIG one . First, I will give you some hope ; going into it it is like restriction and discipline ( or issues, flows and restrictions related to those things ) but coming out of it is a new freedom . Its like learning the first lesson of initiation all over again ; in order to gain real freedom (in anything ; thought , action of body, physical practice, study, etc ) one first has to learn discipline structure and organisation . Saturn return is like beginning yoga ; we THINK our body is free, relaxed and at ease ... and it might feel better to lie in bed through the dawn - but this aspect of Saturn WILL MAKE YOU rise before dawn and do your yoga - one way or another - eventually you find your body frees up and relaxes and is more under control, etc , than before . (just an example in case I was being too obscure ) going 'down' the Kabbalistic Tree Saturn brings the ideal forces together into manifestation , but going up the Tree she releases form and things become 'liberated' - so she is said to 'dissolve' , ' The Great Sea' , the Cosmic Mother and gateway to life and death . I won't tell you about my SECOND Saturn return ( My God , how did I survive that ! ) ... I am guessing if I make it to my 3rd one , it will probably kill me ....... but the first one is no where near as intense as the latter ones . Hmmm .. I haven't really given advice as to how to handle it . I guess the best way is to try and detect the lesson at hand and act accordingly . Its tough, as often we get pushed in a direction we feel we dont want to go . But maybe that will have a good positive learning outcome , then again it could be 'learning via hammer time' . Both are valuable learning experiences . The way is to try staying on top of things - learning before the hammer time , or learning , not by your own mistakes , but by the observation of others methods that leads to mistakes . .... My friend , who I said was reckless , deliberately avoided this ; " I want to learn by my own mistakes . " Of course, we need both IMO - observation AND personal experience - , boy did she have a hard time and wail and complain about it ... but that was her choice - she ended up okay and seems happy now , although at times she seemed in the pit of despair . Hopefully lucky and beneficial then . In the case of 'demons' , in my story, its just a modern image or concept, the idea being , wrongful actions against others will impact negatively on yourself . Give yourself over to base urges and you are likely to become a manifestation of base urges ... seems simple , but often people dont seem to get that . There is a lot more in there , but that will do for 'story analysis ' . As far as 'demons' generally - I have a lot of posts here on the subject - my views on them are more the classical ones and also I ascribe to ( one of my outlooks ) ' Daimonic Reality ' . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(classical_mythology) https://dreamflesh.com/interview/animated-world-patrick-harpur/

Maybe I should bump my old Central Asian thread That one where Drew mocked and laughed at my 'ignorance' and some facts and theories I posted - so I kept referencing them to valid academia .... about .... , let's see..... 76 times Drew Spew - 0 Nungers - 76 . and now .... the truth about orgasms at a distance ( I finally figured it out .... its pretty simple .... )

... oh yeah .... and welcome to Daobums

Hi Li . Some things 'jumped' out at me when reading your posts 1. " (female, 28) ' and 'going through big changes ' and this gem ; " How do I get back to self discipline? Do I have to get carried by the flow " THIS is the issue at 28 (astrologically ) and 'discipline ' ( and other Saturnian delights ) / going with the flow' and similar issues are being re-arranged and sorted out . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_return 2. "Is there something like uncouncious tantra?" IMO definitely ! - Now, you are going to ge all sorts of definitions , 'corrections' and 'traditional denials ' here , but I think I know what you mean , and that comes from your own associated experiences ; " Kind of like a car crash, filters blowing out like from a blast wave, motion stuff and something like being unconscious (like in a car crash) but rather the opposite, as its not getting dark but light and very comfy still, as the senses are kind of relieved. " If it isnt 'Tantra' let's say you definitely had an experience with someone that shook up your 'energetic body ' . Now, about 'unconscious' (tantra) ; IMO we have large and full lives in areas we are often not aware / conscious of , and similar interactions . Two experiences come to mind ; the first with J. - we had been good close and comfortable friends for some time , we did have sex once or twice, but that was not the focus of our relationship . Then one night , I am having an 'lucid dream' experience and J comes floating through my window , sitting in lotus and hovers over me while I am lying on my bed and well , I'll leave out the details, except that there was no actual connection between our bodies, but our 'energy fields' interacted . Sorta like this, but without the touching ' OAD ... at a distance ' ( sorry , thats a bad Daobums private joke ) Thng is, it wasn';t just a 'horny dream ' , I could tell from the energetic effects afterwards and the changes that came about on the physical plane. And we had sex before and nothing like that happened . And curiously, we never mentioned it , when we met after that we both had a wry smile, but never mentioned it , we both knew something had happened 'in the other word ' . Similar occurred another time or two, but then it faded ..... and that morphed into the second experience a while later - more conscious and deliberate as far as getting into a sexual relationship , and knowing the chemistry was good / volatile / powerful , but, I would say 'unconscious' of its results ( so maybe this is more 'ignorant tantra' than 'unconscious tantra ' ? ) Anyway, with A. it 'went off' to a crazy extent , we where rejuvenated ... shining , and not just us, other people noticed , I mean, we even got stopped in the street , more than once by people, and including once by a total stranger that wanted to know what was going on between us ... and could they have some ! It was just a touch , they sort of rubbed both our arms , some people asked for an embrace , it was all rather unusual . Energy like that can be directed and used , it doesn't deplete as its constantly being generated - 'magick stuff' . However , it turned out A was rather reckless with her energy and a bit destructive with an unbalanced streak . We started to work on that , she ended our relationship , went through a whole lot of stuff (yes, now that I think of it, she was coming out of a Saturn Return as well . Happy to say through , after a few years of perseverance and patience, ( and supporting her , her 3 kids and herself through some crazy relationships she had , and a marriage and another baby AND then the death of her husband (all in 18 months ) we are friends again and she has continued her 'course of development ' - and is doing well. - although living in another location farther away . Regarding this ; " Frankly, I cannot say for sure if the man was or is aware of any than the obvious interaction between us or if there is anything other than correlation (not sure about causality). (...) " - I think it depends on how in tune people are with their 'other life' some have not a clue 'what they get up to ' others a hint and others know , so it depends on what he is 'tuned into' ( me, I got a huge dose of Neptunian natal energy reflecting of Mercury, so I virtually live in that other world , but have been driven 'nuts' by it - a balanced mercury helps there ) . Things is , when things are understood more the other and even both , need not know whats happening , as long as 'the work is accomplished '. But for those of us with a more magical approach - we might want to move the conscious and the unconscious a bit closer together . To finish off, I might address this ; "I'm okay with developing myself, but would be horrified at the thought, that I had or would have any undue influence on someone around me. " You will have to get over that a bit , we are all in it together to an extent and cannot help but influence things around us . however there are rules and parameters , and that applies , magically, very importantly with issues such as these very ones . In a sort of obscure explanation. I will reference one of my 'stories' . ( Damn search engine here ! I was going to link to where its posted here, but the search engine hasnt worked since 2011 so I will just tack it on the end here ;

I think thats still mixing things up a bit . First, to answer your question I would need to know YOUR definition of enlightenment , and probably, more importantly, what you BELIEVE about it . I think he was enlightened a lot about the human western mind and what we call the unconscious . Even so , does someone have to be 'enlighened' to have valuable teachings ? And further , are not many of these so called 'enlightened one's ' often lacking in control and development of unconscious - drives , urges and hidden ego stuff ? But maybe thats a distinction between the real enlightened and those that claim it, or have it ascribed to them ? No, he is referring to the unconscious . And to understand what he means here , one has to understand HIS definition of it Depends on what you mean by 'having an encounter with ' ? In some cases , if that encounter is conscious , then whatever it was has now moved out of the realm of the unconscious . To have an encounter with something seems to imply you are conscious of it . o if you did have an encounter with it , it would not be the unconscious any more . Maybe - a space of examining others unconscious drives and his own at the same time ( as opposed to some others that specialised in just other people and shoved their own stuff under the carpet . I think thats why Jung is often unpop with pros and such . ) I had been having good converse with a psychiatrist ( yeah, all right you lot ! Thats NOT what I mean ! - I mean chatting about human psychology and the like . I got on to Jung and he " I dont do Jungian psychology and I dont discuss it . "

Am I reading you right here Limi ? The world is one and the Dao is one . But what comes 'after' the Dao is one ? You just posted it : One gives birth to Yin and Yang Could that not be the east and the west ? and out of that come all the people of the earth - 'all things' of Yin and yang / 'dark and light'

How did he get a name like that ! ? You think he would have changed it

Oh no, what a waste . Imagine all the reverse insults one coud throw his way to see how HE handles it . "Pleased to meet you .............. Mr Burns. " " Didn't you star in 'Nosferartu ' ? " I didnt know you where a 'prizefighter' ! "

I forgot a LOT of stuff while on these drugs .... but today is the last day .... after a short recovery period I shall be back - relatively speed free ... with my normal dickwit comments and mansplaining.

Okay ... I will nip out and check my southern hemisphere toilet ..... ........ ........ Nope ..... I'll duck over and check the neighbours, theirs is much more civilised .... ...............

Some of my favourite Phil's ; On a visit to a new youth centre ( kids exercising, ping pong, etc in back ground ) " Which are the one's on drugs ? That kid there , is he on drugs ? " On officially meeting head of State of another country ( Nigeria ) " What ? You are ready for bed this early ? " Woman to Philip : " No ... I am actually the Head Engineer of the project . " Philip ; " What YOU ? " Woman ; " yes. " Philip " Well now ! .... Good for YOU ! " "You're too fat to be an astronaut." To 13-year-old Andrew Adams who told Prince Philip he wanted to go into space.

Also, regarding these 'subtle energies' - that some consider too subtle to really be effecting us , consider ..... The 'external driver' The 'internal driver ' (I could not find the pic I wanted to use , its a lot better graphic than this one - there are these spiral forces in the inner mantle that cause the molten, electric, radio - active 'super magma, down there to twist into rotating interlaced super magma tornadoes , driven by some dynamics in the super condensed and pressurised core . These are transferred through the media of the outer core , more of a transference zone than a 'production one ' . And those tow forces meet around the surface zone .... and flow though our own personal energy system .

Oh yes, I forgot to include you Taoist Immortals in this - those that live long enough to experience a magnetic pole shift . I imagine its a slow circular rotation of the LDT with a slight up and down oscillation Magnetic pole reversal would be more interesting, Some have postulated that it could happen rather swiftly when it does so us mere mortals might be able to experience it in our brief life times - if it happens ...... but it is actually a 'patchy process ' * so even Taoist Immortals will be effected differently depending on their location WITHIN the same hemisphere *

But that is not the only dynamic going n with that - . of course we are in a geocentric framework with this but .... . I dealt with a lot of this stuff 'down here' in the pagan tradition ( my 'blood' Euro traditions ) that where transported 'below the equator and also in Hermetics , also originating in the north . A lot of it, being natural science , is related to environment . Things like ; movement of celestial bodies ( similar in both but see below ), local prevailing weather conditions ( the 'traditional elemental directions' seem based on this and come from a Jewish tradition, via kabbalah into hermetics , that is , the prevailing weather on the east coast of the Mediterranean, next down scale is local geography ; mountains, seas, etc . But although the 2 'longitude directions ' never change, they are tricky and a matter of 'time' or 'rotation' , the path of the sun, being the most obvious, but also the Moon and planets , ie the 'path of the ecliptic ' . If you want to look at any of this, or 'align' with this , in the north you face south with east on your left but in the south you face north with the east on your right . This becomes apparent in a normal circular horoscope map ( natal, showing a birth location as well ). As said, about the only thing that doesnt change is the magnetic energy flow . Some cultures bury their dead aligned , but usually in relation to the path of the Sun. The effect is mostly felt by some in how one aligns the body for sleep ; do you sleep head north or south , is the magnetic energy flowing past you feet or head first ? When standing, facing north or south (aside from ecliptic considerations ) can you detect any subtle difference in 'flow' . We have a small atrophied ( for some ) gland in the brain that works like the inner ear , instead of a gravity detector its a magnetic detector . Its still very active in other animals , like birds , but some indigenous people still have use of it . I did write a paper on this and the use of this ability and enhancement by painting patterns on the body in blood and ochre (both high in iron and conductive ) - but then I got told it was NFPI ! - naughty ! (not for public information )

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On an equally depressingly humorous note Aboriginal 'joke' ( that is , a joke told BY Aboriginals ) Father (gesturing out to distant horizon ) ; " One day son , all of this ...... will not be yours . " .....

I got a ' 12v power source ' for lap top - a type of adaptor - 12v in and a regulated computer friendly 12v out .... with a selection of changeable plugs to connect the lead into the computer power source input plug. . The selection had about 15 different plugs on it . Then I got a new lap top and thought to use the same lead . Nope - it doesnt have that particular plug size on it . ..... I know ! I got two of those multi-type plug selection kits in my electric bits box ( left over from other leads I have bought over time ) ... nope , not one in there either . I guess I will have to buy a new plug ..... nope ! Cant buy a single plug . Can I buy the whole selection in a packet just to get that one plug ? Nope ..... gotta buy another whole new 12v power source kit , just to get a selection of plugs, to find one 25C plug in it . I could have gone to 'computer guy's shed' where he had tons of leads, plugs, adaptors and electrical junk , but he died (no, a shelf didnt fall on him, he drowned ) .

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Just a bit of nurse humour . You better not read up on doctors humour .....