Nungali

Lets look at a range of things : Ancient Egyptian Text Biblical Text “At the moment of creation, Atum spoke: I alone am the creator. When I came into being, all life began to develop. When the almighty speaks, all else comes to life. There were no heavens and no earth, There was no dry land and there were no reptiles in the land…” – Hymn to Atum, Old Kingdom (2575-2134 BCE) “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep…” – Genesis 1: 1-2 “The ka-souls of all the living were created in the image of Ptah. All formed in his heart and by his tongue.” – The Hymn to Ptah, 19th Dynasty (1307 – 1196 BCE) “So God created human beings in his own image, in the image of God he created them.” – Genesis 1:27 “Having done all these things, Ptah rested and was content with his work.” – The Hymn to Ptah “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good… By the seventh day God had finished… so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.” – Genesis 1:31-2:1 “He let me choose my own land from among his holdings within the Land of Yaa. It was a land overflowing with figs and grapes. It had more wine than water, honey and oil in abundance.” – Stories of Sinuhe, (1991 – 1962 BCE) “to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey.” – Exodus 3:8; 13: 5 “To: Pharoah, Ruler of the Heavens and Earth From: Biridiya, Governor of Megiddo” – El-Amarna Letters, (1391 – 1353 BCE), letters were addressed to Amenophis III and Akenaten by their govenors in Syria-Palestine “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.” – Acts 17: 24 “Divine plans are one thing. Human desires are another.” – Teachings of Ankhsheshonq, Egypt (c. 4th century BCE) “In their hearts human beings plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps.” – Proverbs 16: 9 “One day a strong man from Syria-Palestine pushed his way into my tent and challenged me to a duel. He was a warrior without equal. He had never lost a duel… Every heart embraced me as the underdog… He was armed with a shield, an ax, and a whole armful of javelins. One after another, I dodged his javelins and sidestepped his arrows. I waited finally the strong man rushed me, then I shot him in the neck with an arrow. With a loud cry he fell on his face, mortally wounded. I finished him off with his own ax, and then stood on his back and let out my battle cry while all the people of Syria-Palestine thundered their applause.” – Stories of Sinuhe, (c. 1991 – 1962 BCE) “A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp…He had a bronze helmet on his head and wore a coat of scale armor of bronze…, on his legs he bronze greaves, and a bronze javelin was slung on his back…Reaching into his bag and taking out a stone, [David] slung it and struck the Philistine in the forehead. The stone sank into his forehead, and he fell facedown on the ground… David ran and stood over him. He took hold of the Philistine’s sword and drew it … After he killed him, he cut off his head with a sword… Then the men of Israel and Judah surged forward with a shout and pursued the Philistines…” – 1 Samuel 17: 4 – 10, 49 – 52 “You are human, not divine. Your task is to live life to its fullest.” “I know that there is nothing better for people than to be happy and to do good while they live.” – Ecclesiastes 3: 12 “Surely, whoever goes to the land of the dead will be wise, will have a hearing before Re the creator.” – A Sufferer and a Soul in Egypt, (2050 – 1800 BCE) “But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.” – Matthew 12: 36 “I, Khnum, say to Hatshepsut, The divine potter says to the child of Amun-Re: ‘I have created you from the divine patron of Karnak. I have made you a divine child.’” – Annals of Hatshepsut, (1473-1458 BCE) “Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” – Isaiah 64:8 “I will extol your name throughout the land…” – A Farmer and the Courts in Egypt, (2134 – 2040 BCE) “I will declare your name to my people; in the assembly I will praise you.” – Psalm 22: 22 “I am you servant. Do with me what you will.” “I, Amun-Re, promise Ahmose, The divine patron of Thebes says to the queen: ‘I have given you a child, You will name her Hatshepsut… She will reign over the land of Egypt…” – Annals of Hatshepsut “The angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, ‘You are… going to become pregnant and give birth to a son… the boy is to be a Nazirite, dedicated to God from the womb. He will begin to deliver Israel from the hands of the Philistines.” – Judges 13: 3 – 5 Hatshepsut, like many rulers in the world of the Bible was celebrated as a child of a human mother and a divine father. “But the angel said to her, … ‘You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of God… he will reign over the house of Jacob forever…’” “I am the Lord’s servant ,” Mary answered. “May it be to me according to your word.” – Luke 1: 31 – 38 “Her breasts are mandrake blossoms. Her arms are vines, Her eyes are shaded like berries. Her head is a trap built from the branches… and I am the goose. Her hair is the bait in the trap… to ensnare me.” – Egyptian Love Song #3, time of Ramses II (1290 – 1224 BCE) “The mandrakes send out their fragrance, and at our door is every delicacy, both new and old, that I have stored up for you, my beloved.” – Song of Songs 7: 13 “Your hair is like royal tapestry; the king is held captive by its tresses.” – Song of Songs 7: 5 “Do unto others, As you would have others do unto you.” – A Farmer and the Courts in Egypt, Egypt, (2134-2040 BCE) “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you.” – Matthew 7: 12 “Birds fly to their nests, They spread their wings to praise our ka.” “The birds of the sky nest by the waters; they sing among the branches.” – Psalm 104: 12 “You massage the fetus in its mother’s womb.” “You knit me together in my mother’s womb.” – Psalm 139: 13 “You count out to each the days of life.”- Hymn to the Aten, (1353 – 1335 BCE) “The days of mortals are determined; you have decreed the number of their months…” – Job 14: 5 “Finally, my students, remember, the wise follow their teachers’ advice, Consequently, their projects do not fail.” “My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, … and applying your hear to understanding… He holds success in store for the upright.” – Proverbs 2: 1 – 2, 7 “Stay away from the women of another’s house. Keep our mind on business, your eyes off pretty faces. Foolish dreamers become causalities of unwise actions. Succumb to love sickness and lust, and nothing you do will succeed.” – “Teachings of Ptah-Hotep, (2575 – 2134 BCE) “This teaching is a light…keeping you from your neighbor’s wife, from the smooth talk of a wayward woman. Do not lust in your heart after her beauty.” – Proverbs 6: 23, 24 – 25 “Do not go to bed worrying, Wondering: ‘What will tomorrow bring?’ No one knows what tomorrow brings…” – Teaching 18 “Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.” – Matthew 6: 34 “Control your temper… Do not let your tongue steer your life. Your tongue may be the rudder of your boat, But Amen-Re, your divine patron, must be its pilot.” – Teaching 18 “Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large… they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts…no one can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.” – James 3: 4 – 5, 8 “Do not bear false witness against your neighbor…” – Teaching 19 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.” – Exodus 20: 16 “Fill your soul with these teachings, Put them in your heart.” – Thirty Teachings of Amen-em-ope (3000 – 2000 BCE) “These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts.” – Deuteronomy 6: 6 Source: Matthews, Victor H. and Don C. Benjamin. Old Testament Parallels: Laws and Stories from the Ancient Near East, Fully Revised and Expanded Third Edition. New York/Mahwah, NJ: Paulist Press. 2006. Author cred : Victor Harold Matthews (born 13 November 1950) is an American Old Testament scholar. He is Dean of the College of Humanities and Public Affairs and professor of religious studies at Missouri State University.

Anyway , moving along and back onto the subject of this thread , I will start this bit with a simple summary and cite J. S Paul , as I think he has an accurate and simple way with words ; " By the end of the nineteenth century scholars were changing the historic landscape in dramatic ways. For one thing, they began to learn much more about the connections between the Egyptians and other cultures in their sphere of influence. Because ofthis, scholars began to learn what the Jews and other cultures had borrowed from Egyptian mythology. "The evidence that Egyptian religion influenced Judaism and Christianity is not far-fetched at all. The Jewish religion has murky Canaanite origins that were strongly influenced by Mesopotamian contact during the Babylonian Captivity. Also, researchers know that Christianity began in Palestine around two thousand years ago as a sect of Judaism. From Jerusalem, it’s only 263 land miles to Cairo, Egypt, the site of one of the world’s oldest and most advanced civilizations. "Even in ancient times, it wasn’t difficult to travel between the two cultures. As an example, the Gospel of Matthew told of Joseph, Mary, and the infant Jesus fleeing to Egypt to avoid King Herod’s slaughter of innocent Jewish babies. " It was a great relief for me to learn that there is no evidence that the massacre really happened. There is also no evidence that Jews slaughtered the Canaanites and or any other tribes as it states in the Book of Joshua. Those seem to be nothing but violent stories to get the reader’s attention and teach cultural lessons. " ... The Egyptians practiced circumcision long before the Jews did, even though it was the distinguishing sign of Jewish adherence to their god’s covenant. "The Old Testament Book of Ezekiel mentions a temple. Some think it was the Temple of Amarna in Egypt, not the Temple in Jerusalem. " The most sacred parts of the Jewish temple, the Holy of Holies, and the sacrificial altar had equivalents in Egyptian religion. " The Ark of the Covenant was similar to an object found in the tomb of King Tut. Historians have also discovered evidence that the Egyptians took a similar “holy” case with winged guardians attached to it into battle for good luck. "Psalm 104 follows the same format and almost paraphrases the Great Hymn to Aten. " " By the late first century, Flavius Josephus, the much-quoted Jewish historian, was already doubting the Hebrew Bible’s tale of the exodus from Egypt. Apparently, Josephus thought the Jews were confusing the exodus with the Egyptian expulsion of the Hyksos people. They were a historical Middle Eastern ethnic group that had ruled Northern Egypt for about a hundred year period at about the time Moses would have lived. " To date, investigator have found no evidence to confirm the biblical exodus actually occurred. The Egyptians kept copious historical records and the closest story to the exodus story they have is when one leader led a small population of Egyptians (not Jews) into the Sinai Desert. " Moses ? " The name Moses is Egyptian in origin. It means something like “child of the water” or “child of the Nile”. It seems the writers of Exodus plucked stories of Moses right out of Egyptian mythology. According to Massey, maybe none of the biblical Exodus is based on actual history. That includes the tales of the pharaoh’s daughter finding Moses floating in the reed basket, the burning bush, the summons from God to free his people, the rod that turned into a snake and parted the Red Sea, the ten plagues, the forty years in the wilderness, the manna falling from heaven, the pillars of fire and clouds that guided the Jews, the golden calf, and even the ten commandments. " Much of this information is very difficult to assimilate into what we learned in church. But as more evidence is becoming available, the story becomes more clear. Now historical scholars know that the Jewish people came from the Canaanite culture many centuries after the Egyptian culture reached its peak. Since they were basically next-door neighbors, Egyptian influence on the Jews was profound. The Jews also borrowed stories like Job and Noah from the Mesopotamians during their captivity. Then, they adapted a significant amount of their theology to Zoroastrianism while in contact with the Persians after the Babylonian exile. The Old Testament didn’t drop out of the clouds as a fully bound scripture. Sages and scribes maintained their mythological history by oral tradition the best they could. The books of their Bible were not all accepted as scripture until around 200 AD. " If people insist on believing in myths instead of evidence that’s their choice. I think it does tremendous harm to our society for people to refuse to trust our cultural bank of knowledge, which comes from the domain of scientists and historians, not theologians and preachers. "

Oh well , I wrote it all out before and did diagrams as best I could , in some thread a long time ago . If you are really interested I could go through it with you . Yes it is different ; I believe the classic one is 'out of whack , Mars should not be 'way up there ' Mars - Man .... but maybe that was drawn up BEFORE the 'fall of Man ' .... stick mars down in lower triangle and everything falls into place and attributes neatly . or maybe the old tree is just patriarchal ?

Sorry, I am not following this bit . What do you see is rong with the diagram , and / or what would you add ? Its many traditions as its a universal principle . And one based on realism ( or they wouldn't be universal ) . Its signature is in everything ; they all consist of three components of description - the ting itself and its polarities or extensions . Dao - Yin and yang . Length , short and long . Temperature, hot and cold . or just triplicates of how things are put together ; 3 dimensions , three primary colours , etc . I have a paper on it in my PP if you want to go deeper into it . Just see it as a way of navigating the path for the self ; part of our self sees the direction another part makes thnigs go in that direction . Sometimes the 'go' part 'goes ahead' without due consideration . Other times the planner or the mystic , lacks the go, and things dont get anywhere or have result from purpose. Balance is the key . Yes, but not in opposition ; the whole magical and alchemical path / aim / result has often been said to be a 'conjoining' of Sun and Moon . Yes, one is expansive and generous and 'beneficial' , reward - the other contractive , restrictive and (some say ) near malefic, punishment . Again balance is required ; Unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression but unbalanced mercy allows and abets evil to exist . Yup . Ah ! I see what you mean there , yes it appears so . Travel safe ; The Moon : Lady of night, that turning ever about us art now visible and now invisible in thy season, be thou favourable to hunters, and lovers, and to all men that toil upon the earth, and to all mariners upon the sea. ( Both the sea and the Moon are symbols of our unconscious ) . From the same ritual is a description of the ideal threefold energies and the dynamics of 3/4 (in Michael's diagram above and in my article in PP ) The Principles Mysterious Energy, triform, mysterious Matter, in fourfold and sevenfold division, the interplay of which things weave the dance of the Veil of Life upon the Face of the Spirit,..."

Now I'm lost ... what Old Egyptian general ??? I am familiar with the Emperor of the Penguins ... but not this ^ guy . " All Hail the Emperor ! "

You mean . after you die ?

A gentleman should always be ready to light a ladies cigarette for them ... fire dangerous ! man's work ! The Gods have strange ways for us ; My dad was a smoker , so I was a passive from a young kid . I would get 'asthma' and get taken to the doctor, who smoked while examining me in a room with closed windows and doors . I took it up as late teen , smoked just about everyday of my life, I am near 70 . I never got covid and have not had even a cold in the last 10 years . I observe healthy non smokers getting sick around me a lot ; covid, every flu that comes along , constant colds . When I went for my hip replacement , a few years back, the pre op check nurse listened and did other lung checks , I am thinking 'Oh no, I hoe they dont cancel the op ! " The she goes " Perfect ! " ' What ! ? " " I said, perfect ." "Why " ? "They sound perfect to me ." " I been a smoker all my life ! " Her : shrugs . I had full anesthetic , no probs, woke up fresh as a daisy in recovery ( nurse was surprised how quick I came out of it ), the next day I coughed and snotted up a bit of dried mucus in the shower , that was it ., But then , sometimes I have seen people chain them, I never do that . Well ... okay , sometimes I might go for a 'New York Breakfast ' ( coffee and cigarette ) but the not Manhattan Island Breakfast ( coffee and a packet of cigarettes ) , I dont smoke first ting in morning though , sitting up in bed YIKES , had a GF once that did that ! And I dont smoke 'tailor mades ' , but roll your own . Actually if I smoke one taylor made cigarette , I will be actually wheezing as I get half way through . Whe nonly they are availbale, I have not smoked at all . Oh yeah , when I went into hospital they offered me a substitute , I declined . They said all sorts of stuff "You cant even smoke outside , no smoking at all , how are you goung to cope with that ? I just said 'I am not going to do it for a few days ' [ the look I got ! Well, thats what I did <shrug> But dont you kids smoke through I am sure this fits in nicely with thread topic

... of course I cant tell that joke now . Someone might get offended and if I ever go to Queensland I could 5 years jail !

Reminds me about that old joke ; " Why do women put on make up and perfume ?"

Michael's diagram shows the classical planetary house rulers , so its right in that regard . Then it attributes the to chakras I dont see any Vs in there ? Where are you seeing one thing versus or in polarity to another in that diagram . if anything we could say a sign attributed to a planet VS the other sign attributed to the same planet . I am not sure I a following you here ? I dont understand the Vs thing . I see it as ; Instead: mercurial modulates the Venus Mars polarity . uranisian neptunian polarity jupiterian saturnian polarity marsian venusian polarity sunnish moonish polarity .

Thanks . I see it more like that than any relationship (even shape wise ) to the glyph of mercury

No, its not that . I am looking at the vertical order of shapes in the symbol compared to the vertical oder of shapes in the picture of the Djed , etc .

I like this ^ . Take you point about green . There are only 3 colors , the primaries . 'Certain people' will argue with you, insist, show evidence, cross reference and 'proof' . There is no green ! . But primaries are 'ideal' , 'above the abyss' ,' they are the 'ideas' we have about things . But in the natural world, there are FOUR 'natural colors' as they call them ; red , blue, yellow and green .

Coby, you should see the tree that has blossomed all over it in my garden ( actually two types of puffball flowers next to each other : masses of them all over the tree - 'powder puff ' lilli-pilli tree . They have little fruits, a large source of food , pre-colonialism . Very much like a rose apple ( the top pic has a 'spicy' taste to them ) , which is a tree a have nearby which is also flowering ATM

So do I .... as what i was referring to is not what Daniel twisted it into .

Okay, you censored it from your quote because there was a page break However that made no difference to your above quote from the same textual source . Its all on the same page (as above ) as the source ! .

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Ohhhh ... all of a sudden you have shifted from it being an artificial pointing finger to protect the Torah to a 'whatever it is ' Ummm ... the description of the Abramelin ritual in the book come after he met the Egyptian Abramelin and he instructed him in the ritual, which is the bit quoted before about the magical tools used ..... which you said was a pointer , a trying cord and a mere robe , ecet you 'forgot ' to explain why a croen is needed . Do Jews need a crown on their head to read Torah . Go on tell me which one is 'the crown ' ; Its this one isnt it Of course I dont and I have no idea why you would assume that . Its probably more of a projection from yourself other than what I think . What ! ? Take a powder Daniel ! " I learned that at Mayence there was a Rabbi who was a notable Sage, and the report went that he possessed in full the Divine Wisdom. The great desire which I had to study induced me to go to seek him in order to learn from him. But this man also had not received from the Lord the GIFT, and a perfect grace; because, although he forced himself to manifest unto me certain deep Mysteries of the Holy Qabalah, he by no means arrived at the goal; and in his Magic he did not in any way make use of the Wisdom of the Lord, but instead availed himself of certain arts and superstitions of infidel and idolatrous nations, in part derived from the Egyptians,..." Mayence ; the French name for Mainz a port in W Germany, capital of the Rhineland-Palatinate, at the confluence of the Main. Lookit up ! The diabolical one was a German Jew . Nungali Go back and read the bit about the ritual I already posted . Its from BOOK TWO , after many chapters it starts to describe the ritual .... what you are citing (with omissions ) is from book one . You are either confused or trying to confuse .... or trying to bluff your way through a subject you know nothing about and making mistakes as you are doing quick searches to try and get 'up to speed' just to criticise things that dont fit in with your religious viewpoint .