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below you comment that : " your crazy assumptions and false generations that others in here obviously share with you. " You know why they share them with me ? Because they are not false assumptions . YOU are the one making some rather silly basic mistakes here , and others can clearly see it . Many martial artists realise that a formal practice will be adapted in a dynamic situation , but it seems you are not one of them . You will see all sorts of silly karate at 'higher levels ' thats my complaint about it , And the video I posted of that silly hikite movement done by SENIORS , black belts , making a video to promote their style or technique . No, I am telling you hat you seem so stupid that you have now gone backwards in comprehension , just when you previously seemed to be half getting what I was saying . Which is , yet again ( for anyone that got confused by Oneironaut's flapping about ) When defending ; When the punchy guy punches, why does the one defending fling one arm out first and not grab anything, and withdraw that arm while he is blocking the punch that is coming, then punch back and withdraw the other arm . if hikite is a grab and pull in for a punch, why do hikite while you do a block ? When attacking : Why, does punchy guy when attacking the other one , punch with one arm and draw the other arm and hand back to his hip, leaving his guard down and his head exposed ? The punchy guy is initiating the attack , why pull his hand back as he punches , there was never any punch from the other to seize and pull back . And I am not talking about lone practice in the air , I am talking about two guys practising a techniques . and I fail to see why , with the explained question and the video together , one can not comprehend the question ? yeah it IS simple and I am not saying why do that i the first pace . Its one of the most common bully techniques ' you grab them with one hand and rain punches with the other , as the first thing a person that does not want to fight does, is to flinch, duck, try to get away . Also this is why a few martial arts practice so much against being 'seized' . Again, I am talking about what SOME karate practitioners do in their practice and drills ... which actually 'goes out the window ' - is NOT done as soon as they do ( good ) self defence and sparring . Again, you seem to have gone backwards - you seemed to be getting the point ... but nw you have reverted to what you saying pages back ; you are grabbing and pulling when punching . I am asking why do the movement for every punch and even block when you are not grabbing at all . get it yet ? Oh, sure there are . Its these type of drills though that I am referring to , a bad drill gives bad habits ; drilling punching while you drop your guard is bad practice ... any one knows that .... except some of these karate guys . No , they are NOT crazy assumptions that others here share with me . Unless you are going to postulate that TDBs is full of crazy people ... except you Like I said , karate got adapted so kids could practice it as a form of exercise . I call that 'modern karate' . Its for kids and sport . It isnt like traditional old style karate that was used for self defence , fighting and 'body guard ' work ( including minding the king ) . Traditional style ( 'seito' ) is deadly . You cant have kids practising deadly techniques in the school yard ' you want them all in a line m neat, dressed the same way and being respectful, orderly and relatively uninjured . Its just plain common sense ! So kids practice like this ( in one example ) ; 1 . Steps forward and does a mid section punches at the other . 2. Moves backward and stays 'inside' ( the others punch, ie, the defender moves towards or stays on the attackers centre line ) and one hand moves forward , as if doing hikite , and is withdrawn , as the other arm comes forward and does an outer block . The defenders forearm, blocks the punch by striking and diverting the attackers forearm, then he retracts that blocking arm (in a hikite movement ) while he punches back with the other . In seito form (same example ) 1 . Steps forward and does a mid section punches at the other . 2. Moves off line to the outside , the first movement of ' one hand moves forward , as if doing hikite ,' is actually a deflection of the others punch, to stop it 'tacking' you as you move to the outside . The other arm moves the opposite way, so as you 'slap' the punch out of the way, you are in a cross arms position ( or 'cross wings ' - as all of this was developed from white crane system - 'Chinese Hand ' ) . outer 'block' movement is a strike ... NOT a block , its a strike , with the back of the knuckles to the outside of the others elbow at the 'weak point ' ( kyusho ). While the other hand is retracted to .... (a) - 'wings open' . THEN that striking back fist turns into an open hand, slides down the others forearm, seizing the wrist and rotating it into a wrist grab WHILE their other arm comes in to drive a strike into their kidneys, then same hand does a palm strike up under their seized arm at the elbow , while the other hand seizing their wrist is rotated towards their face and down and back, while the elbow is rotated up and forward , driving their body and head down, then you step in and kick, big toe into eye socket , or if they have turned their head away fro protection, into the top of the jaw joint just below the ear . You cant have kids doing that to each other . The same with the Inner block ; the forearm is swept from the outside of the body towards the centre line , using your forearm to deflect a strike on the others forearm . In Seito, that sweeping across motion is led by the fist with the second knuckle of the second finger striking the point in the attackers punching wrist Anywhere from H5 to H7 will do it . A good hit here will disable that arm . If they punch after that with their other arm, its a simple matter of swinging your fist back the other way with a back fist to catch them at HT 3 . Disabling that arm . Now you are inside their guards, they have two disabled arms and your fist /arm is in the position to bring it down, again striking with the middle knuckle, down the face, below the eye in a whipping motion, or just run it down the front of their body if you dont want to rip half their skin off their face . if you had watched all the Hohan Soken / Dillman vid above you would have heard this all explained . Dillman quoting Soken ' 'Why you block ? No block ! " and Dillman ; " Every thing he hit was a pressure point , everything . You cant have kids doing this . Nor can you use it for sprt or competition . And I am NOT saying it it isnt possible to fight using kids style , but it drops your guard and has other mistakes in it and is NOT effective as real fighting style , its a kids / sport style - and thats why some 'black belt' karate kids get totally creamed by boxers and other type of MA . And YOU refer back to the whole run of the conversation on that topic and what i originally ACTUALLY was referring to . No its NOT just me, becasue as you said earlier ; " your crazy assumptions and false generations that others in here obviously share with you. " I could not give a flying f*** at the Moon about what you think anymore . The explanation is written out here to help others try and decipher the mess you have made this topic into .

All of the fruit in this garden is for you ...... except this one tree ( thats more directed @Luxin ) From one 'rafter' to another ; I too have studied a form of astrology that is sidereal and mostly unfamilar. . Especially so considering the south hemisphere and local indigenous considerations

I'd say a mistake in a print run of cards would be in all the sets . I would nt consider it 'lucky' at all . One morning I woke up after a long party , still pretty out of it . I was late to meet someone in town, I quickly got dressed and went . While walking through town I got some strange looks then realised , my fluffy lined track pants , with large seams and big pockets where on inside out . I didnt feel lucky .

Its been a rather dumb comparison all along . Like I aid earlier about those long flexible whip swords . MMA guy would find it hard to do even the drill associated with them.

Definitely a chip ... a beam even . Take his advice while he is just posting as a member , before he goes into moderator mode ... and when that happens , you will see how fast you can loose your style of 'argument' here . .

Good idea and sorry for the disruption, I did try to get back on topic more than once ... but THIS guy ! .... what you said above

Well I thought you did boxing . Thats why I asked about if you ever heard 'hands up' coming from your corner . and that was in relation NOT to whether we WHERE taking about boxing or not , but the the silliness of withdrawing the other hand in hikite while punching, when you are practising against another and you DONT actually grab them and pull them in , thus leaving that side of your head unguarded . why has this been so hard to understand what I am saying . I have explained it about 4 different ways , even with video demo

and when I explain something and show how you where wrong ... you just ignore that and witch to some other thing . and again Oh ... back to step 2 again ? step 1 ; never a horse stance used in MMA . ( I show him vid that shows they do ) step 2 " that isnt a proper horse stance ! ' . ( I explain how the guy on vid addresses this at the beginning ) Step 3 . Gives new opinion that has now morphed into what I and the guy on the vid said . (so I point that out . ) Step 4 . You affirm that MMA techniques are being used in an MMA vid I post ( well done ! ) and then revert back to your step 1 YOU agree with my ridiculous scenario ? people practice bunkai with a part real techique they do with some body parts and visualise a techniques they going to do with other body parts at the same. About time you admitted you have not got a clue about the answer to my question about hikite ... which, by now, you have probably forgot I would , if someone could ask properly and not deliberately try to misinterpret what I say , and then laugh and mock at the stuff they made up but attribute to me . So, hiw come you got so 'uppity' when I suggested the same thing about it making ' absolutely no sense ' More diversions and not answering the question and this whole issue about America not invading Okinawa is pure stupidity and obstinacy on your part , Come back and try a different approach with me and I will explain it to you .

Do you still practice and if so what ? Because its a little unclear wther you just had a few lessons or stuck at these long enough to gain valid experience . I have never done stick tapping . Experience started in the back yard as a kid , dad was a boxer . I soon learnt how boxing was all over karate , well the karate I was doing back then . One time he was getting me with such a flurry of head shots and i did a front kick just above his groin , he cried 'foul play ' and told me 'only girls kick ' . very old school guy . So, at school I started Shotokan Karate , our first real (JKA approved ) instructor was sent out from Shotokan HQ a German guy called Frank Nowak , the first non Japanese to get Sandan grade and be given a country to head . About 4 years of that , by now I have left school and joined a different style ; Sikiran , a Filipino style evolved from a more ancient form of Sikiran 'foot fighting ' , a crazy range of kicks . Thats the fiirst time I was 'allowed' to touch a weapon, they did bo and nunchuks . About 4 years again. Then I did some bad Aikido on the other side of OZ in Perth WA where I then moved . And a bit of Silat , only abut 6 months . Then I came back over east and discovered Akikai , a much better form (and original ) Aikido . I trained for about 8 years with many really good teachers , for a while I was living in the city and busing around where ever it was on, 3 nights a week and Saturday mornings . Then I moved away from the city to a rural location, no good schools, I tried one aikido school in a near by small city but it was pretty bad . So I started ding some teaching myself , at the local school as their 'weekly sport' , small groups , friends , once at a festival where about 60mpeople turned up to do one of my classes - YIKES! .. but something very magical happened that blew them away . Then I discovered a quiet little group of a few was training in my town and doing weapons , so I joined . When I looked into them I could not believe I had run into someone with the lineage * they had in a small country town like that . It was only pointed out this morning over coffee after training that I have been doing it ( I estimated 'over 10 years ' ) 'More like 17 years .' We do empty hand Pinan 1 - 5 , Niharchin 1 - 3 , Passai 1 & 2 and 'Oshimi Passai ' , a 'staff taking kata - ' Nobudhi no gata ', Chinto, Gojushiho, Kusanku and Hakatsuru. Weapons ; 5 bo katas including the Shorin Ryu ( that is Matsamura Seito Shorin ryu ) bo form Chichen no kon . 2 eku (oar ) katas , various short jo and boken katas . One longer jo AND boken together kata ( that I developed and teach ) , 3 sai kata and 3 gama (sickle ) kata from Hohan Sokken. ... and a few other weapons occasionally ; stick, knife , I like doing double machete (I got a wooden pair made ), and can adapt these two hand forms to them . Oh yes, and all the bunkai (applications ) that the moves in these kata represent , and various weapons against weapons . Oh yeah , and Aikikai came to town so I started doing that again as well , weapons ther are jo, boken and tanto . * the linage , going backwards Me My 'instructor ' ( I teach him a lot too and some of what he teaches comes from me ) His instructor ' Ted' , recently sadly passed on - you will see him mentioned as valid in the next reference I give . His teacher , my 'teacher ' ( that is , he whose teaching I study follow , as passed down ) and my 'instructors teacher ' ; Kosei Nishira https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosei_Nishihira His teacher Hohan Soken https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohan_Sōken try this , Dillman admits ( to his own detriment ! ) what I have been saying here . His teacher Nabe Matsamura https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabe_Matsumura and his teacher 'Bushi' Matsamura - personal body guard to the last 3 Okinawan Kings ... until Japan oppressed them . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsumura_Sōkon

You mean like a 'fight club' ? Good ! As it just gets worse and worse ; .... the horror .... the horror .... It probably seems that way to you . I can tell because when I read some of your responses below , it seems you haven't a clue what I mean . Here is an example , what you are responding to is a response to what you said . You might not 'need it' . Just like I might not NEED you to respond to what I say , but you do . 'Such is life ' . Ummm , no . You misread again , as I said above . What you are saying here is a response to my ; " Regardless of 'style' , such a person who had (ie. my previous ; ' more experienced in fighting and training, building up strength, endurance, innovation and tactics ) would make a good Kalaripayattu and one that does not would not make a very good Kalaripayattu. So if you read what I wrote (and following previous comments that this response was written in relation to ie Q ; ' What makes good Kalaripayattu ) I was writing ; ' a person ( a Kalaripayattu ) who had more experienced in fighting and training, building up strength, endurance, innovation and tactics would make a good Kalaripayattu and one that does not would not make a very good Kalaripayattu. ' And I believe that applies to any style (as well as Kalaripayattu . But if you think this is erroneous , then it conflicts with what you are saying below about fighting experience and training . And it might help to understand why YOU are not being understood when you declare this is what you have been saying all along . Probably , and I agree with him . But ... but .... I dont even know any Kalaripayattu . ! Nice try though ; trying to get me to walk into a kick boxing gym , and challenge them all with an art I know nothing about ... thanks for the 'encouragement ' . It still seems like you think I am defending Kalaripayattu . If anything I was trying to separate karate systems . And as a reminder , no I would not call Kalaripayattu karate . ... I would call it Kalaripayattu . And you , my good Sir are definitely a You really want these guys to beat me don't you ? Agreed ! But ... Taking Ueshiba's view, and in my experience, one can do effective martial arts with a haracentric view ! That's gotta be even more extreme than a mere geocentric one ! That is ' when someone seizes my wrist , I do not circle around them , I stand still and rotate the whole Universe around my hara .' Its a neat trick ... trickier to maintain when 'rolling out ' Yeah . I was agreeing until the last sentence .... oh right , you think i am a proponent of the martial arts you dont like . Yes . I can agree with that . Close, that isn't actually what I was 'trying to do ' .... although the 'box' part is right . Its more; I see YOU in the box already ... and me yeah, thats good . Nothing to do about what I was complaining about though . What ! You said you dont see horse stance it in MMA . I posted a vid on how you do see it . With an explanation about peoples confusion about it as a prelude in the vid . Now you respond to that by citing basically the same as what they guy in the vid and I, myself previously said . You are doing it again ! I posted a vid of TWO GUYS drilling with each other . When you practice alone you are visualising it ! Are you suggesting that the guys in the vid are part visualising and part doing it ? What , guy 1 (actually ) punches , guy 2 (actually ) does hikite but (imagines ) he has seized the other hand and drawn him in and off balance , while guy 1 is still punching so he (actually ) , blocks that .... and then counters . besides this explains NOTHING I was referring to , about leaving you guard DOWN on that side ! DUDE , are claiming to have done boxing ? ! Did you ever hear a voice off in your corner yelling " Hands up ! Hands UP ! " ? or do you have trouble responding to comments that need to be understood in relation to what THEY are responding to ? Oh , sorry I must be confused again . Could have sworn it was YOU that said things about a monolithic style ? I was responding to THAT and referring to JKA / Shotokan monopoly as the 'monolithic' style . I was saying same thing too , in some cases . But you seemed to have interpreted that in your own ways . Out of existence like a ; " a miserable, formless entity floating in virtual space with a big mouth and a whole lot of useless, illogical things to say." ? Doing it again ! This part of our argument was never about if America was directly at war or not it was about Okinawans feeling pissed at Americans for bombing and invading them . Now I REALLY think you cant follow a thread . Or even understand what people are REALLY saying . I'd venture to say that you have such 'efficient ' blinkers on that you cant help seeing things as the way YOU want them to be . - probably fuelled by what you are holding onto from the past , which you didnt address back then , as you admitted in your first post her , when you decided to challenge me . Dont be silly . and .. you are paraphrasing again . I bet you would get a surprise to go back and read what I DID say about this . I said invaded Okinawa .... not a 'war between' . See how you change things ? Nah . Its probably wrong , you bring up some good points here . Well, its more than that . But as far as Mawashi Geri type low kicks , yes . But not those , enter with the groin open and roundhouse to the head kicks . For a variety of reasons . Even a double flying " Mawashi Geri ' type kick ... but low . Teacher * once made a bit of a mistake . He thought a visitor was challenging him to a fight , when the guy only wanted to spar . Mr. N. leapt at him aiming (feinting ) , one of these kicks at the other's left knee , the guy stepped back and then the other kick came in to the side of his other knee . Bad damage - hospital . He also taught a kick that features in his form of Hakatsuru (Okinawan crane form ) its like a 'backhand' Mawashi Geri ( again not delivered with the knee above the hip ) but comes around from the other direction , i.e. if doing it with the right leg , the right foot would come around and strike to your right . Sneaky . Its also a way of doing a ' whip kick' . Matsamuru killed two guys by a double whip kick (probably the first to the knee, the second to the liver ) , point of contact is with the big toe . - dont laugh , I seen some Okinawans put the point of their big toe through a board . I have only managed to crack two bricks from constantly practising on a brick wall (barefoot ) , but anyway , most dont go barefoot nowadays ..... they where these; the 'liver massager ' So, yes, Okinawans do have all sorts of kicks, but nearly all are low . I can tell you where some came from (allegedly ) The strange 'hook stance' kick in Chinto kata came from a 'pirate' named Chinto . From studying the account of his past life and the ensuing fight with Matsamura in a cave ( one of the few Matsamura could not win ) , its purpose and best use can be discerned - and that's rather surprising ... but me being full of shit and all that , you probably aren't interested . The ones in Kusanku kata came from a Chinese Qing Dynasty ambassador to Okinawa named Kwang Shang Fu Yeah . you are probably right about this . Seems to make sense . Certainly possible . Now you want them to beat me up He was born in Okinawa but was viable to Japanese ways just as much as his father , whom other Okinawans did not have that high an opinion of . It was said he didnt know the real bunkai of the kata he was teaching . maybe thats why Shotokan had to change Okinawan karate into JKA approved version , so it fitted the bunkai they made up Like that 'adaptation' they made to the first kata moves 7 and 8 .... oh wait , they swapped the numbering around too and made this first kata the second kata . Ohhh ... the loss of interesting and effective bunkai that one single change made ! Do you have any of those properties I could look at ? Nah . They did it with HEAPS of products ! You might be too young to remember all that stuff flooding the market . Good, they are breaking out of the stranglehold and acknowledging China again. No . because Oyama's first teacher was Chinese , so he never started off doing a BS type of karate in Japan . He did a bit of Shotokan and then went to Gojuryu - traditional Okinawan hard style . Then he got real fighting experience against US Military Police ( a bit of a 'street thug' ) . Then he did a hermits phase of insane toughness . With a quick trip to JKA land and kicked the shit out of them, then back up the mountain . .. and so on he might have believed in authentic Japanese budo , but he certainly did not much spend time with the guys I am criticising , went back to Okinawan style , did super hard training full time , and came back and kicked those same arses ! ( in the Karate Section of Japanese National Martial Arts Championships ) . Nope . you just made that up . They had many concepts of sparing . And to claim they didnt is worthy of a LOL But you just made up your own claim that you are lolling at .... LOL . The claim was about the particular method of fighting that got developed for sports karate , not too suggest that no sparring was ever done in japan before the French Savate team got there or that the " Japanese didn't understand the concept of sparring until the French arrived . " - see what you do ? . Now before you go off on one of your misunderstanding again ... I am not supporting the ' Karate nerd' here , I am just clarifying that which you are changing - in your attempt to make your argument look better . Or its that misreading thing again . Yeah , thats possible too . bet the Japs would not admit it though . But but ..... .

Hey ! My last GF had a sign like that over her bed .

You are your nephew's dog ? Okey dokey . You used I twice when describing how you didnt use I Todays update .... nothing . Wot ?

.... Oh , Mr O never came back to tell us what martial art he practices and where he got all his experience and knowledge from .

That first evasion / deflection is a good demo of how little force is needed against a thrust . Its mostly getting off line with a 'cover' (in this case ) slap to stop the thrust tracking you as you move. Now consider the above video on karate basics , with those huge heaving smashing 'blocks' that they put their whole body into , to deal with a thrust . And, where it is shown in the vid , note how the other hand goes forward first before the 'block' is done , that is the 'slap' / deflection / cover part ( and they dont seem to know about getting off line) . So, your mate 'gets it ' . ' Dont touch me philosophy ' - like my 'personal sphere ' concept . Now , its Saturday , dawn , and I am off to training ( and thinking what 'surprise' I can spring on them ) .

No . But it is Indian Martial Art . I wonder how many there are ?

Anyways .... back to our topic , Indian martial arts . I made posts about this before , but I find them fascinating ; Thats a Sikh altar . And the Sikh symbol ; two knives , a sword and a chakram . and , of course, this guy ; try from 2:38

No . YOU may wish to quote what I said instead of becoming , yet another, paraphraser . When people stop trying to playing dishonest games and communicate clearly and honestly with me .... I am not that bad a person . I clearly stated I have weapons training. And clearly stated that I think one must be able to go against a weapon with a weapon, without a weapon, how to disarm a weapon with a weapon ( the staff exercise I mentioned ), without a weapon and what to do if you are disarmed from your weapon . Its rather phenomenal that people must be able to read , yet choose to ignore what was written and then go and make up their own interpretation / paraphrasing and try to challenge the other person on what they themselves actually wrote ! Anyway , I got weapons all around the place , everything from 3 tomahawks stuck in the chopping block ( yeah, I can throw them accurately too ) , to , anything at hand actually . Thats one type of 'kobudo ' - dont attack a farmer ! Even if you are a fisherman walking home with your oar ; I also have a few jo lying around , near the door, inside , on the verandah . Jo seems the better weapon for indoor defence , its short and can be used in a variety of ways, its not inherently deadly, but can be . One thing I can tell you though .... if someone does turn up waving a glock around I am certainly NOT going to go ' gun-fu' on them , or as our friend here prefers to call it ' gun- jitsu ' ... and no way would I use a technique like that against a REAL knife attack either , as our friend suggested earlier . We do practice it in training ; one person madly attacks with a machete , the other defends with a jo . I examine news and other footage of attacks and we examine them and try remedies . Eg. in looking at that mad woman attacking that guy with the axe in the 7 / 11 his mistake was to take his eyes of her ; he sees her , looks surprised at the axe , says something ( maybe like ' Oh that looks nasty- or 'You look dangerous ' - thats been said to me after I bought a brush hook at the markets and was walking around with it ). the woman shrugs and grins ( like I did ) and the guy feels its safe and totally turns his back on her , not even stepping away a bit or keeping one eye on her ... as soon as he does that ... wham ! Full swing from behind into the side of his neck ! besides , its not all about that . I worked as an orderly for around 10 years in a public hospital , guess who they called upon when there was a giant muscly drugged out drunk or crazy person being aggressive in the accident and emergency ward , ICU or psyche ward ? Skills learnt in MA are applicable there , if even on the psychological level . I agree except with a change of wording I showed above , again this is part of the point I a m making; those women should NOT go to MA classes to learn self defence ideally they should go to a self defence class , or even a women's self defence class . I 'tested' a woman that did martial arts for self defence - it was pathetic , I easily got control of her , against all her 'arts' . Later I was in a real self defence class , I was invited to seize , not a woman but a little girl ! I grabbed he from behind and she did the usual , so I countered, sunk weight and really got hold of her , one arm around her throat , you could she she started to panic, but then immediately , stomped my toe pressure point with her heel , reached up to gouge my eyes , I leaned back to avoid that and she switched to a solid blow in my gonlzales' , stomping the other toe so I couldnt shift my hips aside . That made me hunch forward and the pain distracted me and enabled her to throw me , being shirt she had the advantage , now, of a lower centre , flipped me over, kept control of her now applied wrist lock, a knee in the side of the head and a painful holding down wrist lock . I tapped out . A girl ! now THAT is self defence . I got up dishevelled , the instructor smiled at me and then turned to the girl ; " Good ! " So peeps , if you have kids and want them to learn how to defend themselves , enrol them in proper self defence class . if you want them to learn martial arts , enrol them in a martial arts class . If you want them to learn both , ie a real martial art with real self defence and fighting capability , NOT in a ring and with 'rules' .... My paypal account is ......

Well, here it is peaceful , yet occasionally there is a home invasion , sometimes with meth fueled guys waving machetes around . One guy last year got hit in the neck with an axe by the woman behind him while waiting at a cash register cue in a 7/ 11 . of course its comparatively rare ,but you never know , one guy locally got so out of it he sits on his verandah smoking meth pipe and randomly firing his glock off into the forest and insanely laughing . he presently turned up off chops ( with machete ) to demand the money back from the guy ( with his family home at the time ! ) who bought his house off him . he recently got busted ; illegal cropping , meth factory , meth and speed packed for export , huge range of guns, 80 stolen cars ! Just over the next ridge and we didnt know about it . It may not invade my personal space , chances are I will live my life never being confronted by it . But if I am , be damned if I am gonna stand there like a scared bunny in the headlights not having a clue about what I should do !

You haven't actually said if you are a practitioner or not and what, if you are, it is that you practice . ... and for how long . Care to elaborate ? Or is all this just you 'supposin' ' ?

Indeed ! When we are talking about the real meaning of 'battle' . Here is another thing many dont realise ; a whole range of karate ( and aikido) techniques dont seem to make much sense , until one realises that the practitioner would have been wearing a sword . Or during a skuffle, you might be trying to stop him drawing a sword , or he might be trying to control you from drwaing your sword , or control you after you have drawn your sword ' Shio nage is a good example some people, even experienced , forget this . We have a kata that gives bunkais (applications) for empty hand techniques against a staff attack - very effective . We also have staff kata with bukai in it to disarm the opponent from their staff, while the other maintains theirs . When practising this and the other is disarmed , they stand their defenceless and take the 'hit' . For some reason no one ( well .... one person does ) quickly switches to the unarmed defence against the staff technique when they are disarmed of their staff . It seems to make sense that if you study a weapon, you need to know how to attack with it , how to defend against that weapon, how to disarm that weapon and what to do if disarmed of that weapon . I had mate that did SAS training . I asked what he did . He listed stuff and also said we learnt knife fighting and disarming .... " If you pick up a knife I can even tell by the way you do it , if you are trained and capable in its use ." Me ; " Really ? And then you can defend against that ? " "Oh yeah ?" " Okay, I got a rubber one , lets try it ." I grabbed the knife and got into a silly 'stance' with it and held the knife ready for a stab . And he goes " yeah , I can tell by the way you are holding it and standing, you dont know what you are doing ." " Really ? " ... I lumber in with an obvious telegraphed overhand downward stab , totally mentally projecting that I am going to stab him in the neck he moves into intercept it and I kicked him in the balls . He bent forward still flailing to sieze the knife but I had stopped that movement and held the hand back , hit him with the other hand, got him off balance , grabbed his hair and pulled his head back as he was going down and drew the rubbery across his throat , THEN did the overhand stab into his chest from behind him, several times as he continued down . It really shocked him . 'Dont tfeel too bad ' I told him . "All the extra time I spent doing stuff like this , you had to spend drilling, map reading , orienteering , learning how to use a gun, abseiling , emergence first aid, parachuting , camouflaging, ..., etc etc ....

A nd the same reasons you 'know' everything Its pretty simple to comprehend and any one else here could comprehend it ; a better fighter will be more experienced in fighting and training, building up strength, endurance, innovation and tactics . They have much more chance of winning than one that dooesnt . Regardless of 'style' , such a person wh did that would make a good Kalaripayattu and one that does not would not amke a very good Kalaripayattu. Its hard to comprehend that this has to be explained to anyone claiming they know anything about M.A. I am starting to agree with others observations here that you are trolling . Well, its your money, you can waste it how you want I suppose . However , your lack of sensible betting doent prove anything ! This was your response to my " Thats no proof of anything . Anyone can just type out words like that its merely 'proof' by personal assertion ." so to counter that , you personally assert that there is evidence More of your 'facts' eh ? More generalised facts that have no room for the skills of the individuals or other conditions You know so little and generalise so much , one has to assume you are fairly young and inexperienced Errrmmm , of course you will respond like this 'But that isnt a 'proper' horse stance ! ' The first part of video explains all that . I am wondering if you know the value of using hirse stance within a set of dynamic movements , in real application , or you use it like those guys in the above karate 'demo' would . here is your argument ; You never see a guy in a deep perfectly aligned horse stance , as practised statically and by oneself, during an MMA match that is dynamic moving and where anything can happen or change or shift around . It is suggested that is because MMA is dynamic and is a fight between two people and the stance is adapted ,then when this is shown you complain that its not a horse stance that is deep, perfectly aligned horse stance, as practised statically and by oneself . WOW ! Exactly ! And he doesnt know either , his sensai told him . And so on , until one gets back to the real tradition which actually knew about these things . What ? because your 'sensai' told you to ? Whatever , some people like to practice like that .... its a wrong teaching though . how does returning your hand to your hip bring the opponent off balance IF you have not grabbed anything with it ? ! and considering your opponents other hand than the one he is punching with is also returned to the hip, how you gonna grab it (if thats what you meant ) . Its the hand that is attacking that should be seized .. and there is a whole art on this , which I posted on here, and it relates to Okinawan 'hand' / dancing . When the attacking hand/ wrist is deflected and seized and drawn in to your hip THAT would put the other off balance. So, what ? You are expecting another punch at the same time you need to block with an upward block ? It isnt making sense . One hand defelcts, seizes and does hikite to draw off balance and the other attacks , upper block is NOT a blocking technique when done with a hikite . Its plain common sense , but not that type of sense one will develop from mindless following a Sensai, who mindlessly followed his sensai and so on . Its the same with nearly all the 'blocks' ; gedan bari - 'lower block' , but bari doesnt even mean ' block' . Soto uke ? Middle outside block ? Uke doesnt mean block either . One can see the remnants of these techniques in kata , they exist in there in places, like an atrophied appendix, and just about all karateka cant explain why they do it , except 'Sensai said so' Eg pointing the other hand down and doing hikite with it before one does a lower block . See the 'ready stance' in the film above ; he steps back and does a lower left block and gets his right at his hip ready to punch . Also during kata , the other hand is pointed up in the air before the one doing the 'block' moves forward . It all got changed for school kids practice and people still do this new form today , going through all sorts of restrictions and unnatural body movements to try and get it to be practical . It seems you are finally starting to 'get it' . But that isnt needed when original forms are available , its all in them , its just that this other stuff, passing off as karate evolved in its place . Hohan Soken left Okinawa before all this change happened . He had a valid tradition descended by family from Bushi Matsamura , probably THE most famous original karateka. He went to Argentina before it started , missed WWII , came back later and saw what people where doing and had to ask them what it was . The told him 'karate' , he was amazed at the corruption that had happened to it , If you have not heard of him I suggest you or anyone else interested in karate ( r its BS modern development ) watch this video. Normally I would not recommend anything by Dilman , but here Dilman he clearly exposes himself and modern karate Really ? I am the one that is generalising now ! ? What those karate styles that are changing are doing is going back and adopting some of the old original teachings and styles . How many of them have 'gone back to Okinawa' to develop their own skill or styles ? Thing is karate DID devolve into a monolithic style and that was lead by JKA (Japan karate federation ). You dont seem to realise that my criticisms are due to me involved IN karate , personally for decades . I am not some Indian MA guy or a Kung fuer trying to discredit a different art . I am not painting it as an overall monolithic style - I am actually saying there are some people in it that know whats going on and have a totally different approach to the way its generally presented and shown and practised . I will admit that I think the 'monolithic style' constitues about 95% of it though . .. and here I do agree with your choice of words ; monolithic ; (of an organization or system) large, powerful, indivisible, and slow to change. But I have seen JKA loose ground over the last few years . I never claimed it did . Did you think that was what I was trying to show ? I claimed a more experienced and trained person was more likely to win over one not expereinced or trained , and that applies to any style or tradition . Pffft ! I can back up everyone of them and show others opinion and research that does likewise . Stop being silly ! Are you claiming that Americans never invaded Okinawa ? That they never occupied Okinawa ? That Okinawans never fought against them in their homeland ? That American serviceman stationed in Okinawa after the invasion never studied MA from the locals ? Thats what I am talking about and you know it ! By trying to counter my facts and claiming I am lying and " intellectually dishonest and historically inaccurate to call your claims "facts". in this regard by citing that " Americans were not at war directly with the Okinawans. " is stupid and ridiculous and clearly the work of a troll . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa Its not history ... its an 'interesting coincidence' that before savate demo in japan karate did not have those kicks and after it , all of a sudden they did have them . Okinawans never kicked like that and THEY got a huge portion of their stuff from China . Possibly that is wherr Savate got it from. but that doesnt mean that it cold not have gone through savate to Japanese karate . As I just said , a huge element of 'Chuan fa ' passed into Okinawan MA and they didnt have kicks like that . So much so that karate meant 'Chinese hand ' / boxing . Japan would refuse to recognise anything they stole and adapted after WWII as anything but Japanese . They changed the meaning of karate and adapted other of their MA into it , like movement and footwork and body posture for the use of certain weapons and they certainly where not going to admit any Chinese or French influence .

Of course they dont 'exist' That does not stop our own psychology from working though . an old fav quote from Crowley comes to mind here ; " ... the Sephiroth and the Paths; of Spirits and Conjurations; of Gods, Spheres, Planes, and many other things which may or may not exist. It is immaterial whether these exist or not. By doing certain things certain results will follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophic validity to any of them. 3. The advantages to be gained from them are chiefly these: ("a") A widening of the horizon of the mind. ("b") An improvement of the control of the mind. ( my emphasis ) I would add ( c) ' an improvement of the control of the external environment ' .

Oh yeah ... the 'helpful prayer ' ; " O Lord, deliver this sinner from his confusion and error and may he be lead to the one and only truth of Jeeezus ! "

Well, 'if' a nice person did a nice spell for / on you .... they would tell you what they are doing . However , a nasty person, with a nasty spell might not inform you what they doing . Other answers to your question might be ; how do you feel ? Consult an oracle , dowsing , clairvoyance ( aura check ) and ... dare I say it ... get a 'chakra scan ' .