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I wasn't responding to him . regarding your question ... how would I know ?

More strange covid news from Oz ; I was watching an economic report on the news . Seems like our economy is doing amazingly well NOW , becasue of covid . A series of all sorts of graphs where presented and they all go up over the last few months . Looking at a projected graph of growth made before covid existed up to the present , compared to a graph from what actually happened . the actul one is WAY above the projected one . As I noted earlier , friends have more money, are spending more money and some have multiple jobs . The problem is ( and of course this is happening ! ) all these benefits are mostly at the top end of society, that is , the gap between rich and poor is also increasing . Although in my observations , of people with more jobs and money, they are not rich people .

You go back and check responses to your posts here .

Hmmm ... I have been put on hold ..... all operators are currently busy .... your question will be attended to as soon as an operator is available

Aside from all your evasion , to avoid answering any questions - how do you KNOW Kalaripayattu loses against karate ? This is your problem , you generalise to a type of 'patriotic ' degree . What if its a shit karate guy against a very good Kalaripayattu ? Thats no priof of anything . Anyone can just type out words like that its merely 'proof' by personal assertion ; Create the conditions for a cross style matchup and the results will speak in Kalaripayattu favour . - see . Thats a wide definition of politics ! I could explain all those things using other motivations . It didnt appear in the post for some reason . Since I need to posit , it appears you really have not seen the use of a horse stance in MMA HINT - you can just google 'use of horse stance in MMA' , if you ever decide to educate yourself about this - unless you are too biased to allow r to watch it ? but anyway ; the first part is for your elucidation the second shows examples with stop go motion on the use of the stance . Its actually one of the MOST common used stances when executing a technique , especially in close quarters Of course , now that you finally actually gave a response to the question. Thats what it is supposed to represent . But the extension of the question still stands ; why practice that in Kihon ? Why practice it when attacking and delivering a tsuki when the hand isnt grabbing anything ? Look at most karate drills And why use hikite when 'blocking ' - what ? You are going to seize a wrist and pull it in while you are blocking an initial tsuki attack ? why move the arm right across to the other side before 'blocking' ? Why point the other hand up before doing an 'upper block' with the other hand / arm ? A straight tsuki needs little force to direct it sideways off line . Same with a hooked or curved punch . So why do a hikate movement before a block when you have not even grasped anything ??? Look from 1:28 , why attack with a punch, and draw the other hand back, leaving that side of the head and body wide open to the really obvious and telegraphed 'counter' that is coming ? This is what I mean about bad practice , and exactly why some karateka get cleaned up by street fighters , MMA guys, boxers , etc . Why do things 'just for drills' when the drill teaches you a bad habit ? I asked a 6th Dan about this he said 'Its just a punching exercise " , I then asked ' Why teach a bad punching exercise then ?" He didnt have an answer . I invited him to punch my extended hand , he did and did a hikite movement with his other hand , out of habit , I cuffed him upside the head with my other hand . he didnt like that , but then I said 'Do same punch as in Sanchin " ( ie, no hikite ) when I tried to slap his head, he easily deflected it with a slight flick with his other arm's elbow . - he is still pondering it . karate training is more like : Punch me badly, drop your guard and leave the punching arm floating out there ... dont retract it ! Now I can do a senseless hikate first , grabbing nothing , block your punch and counter becasue you have no guard up , and I might also seize that arm that is STILL floating out there extended AFTER I have done my counter , and use that for the next counter or take down . @ 2:44 we have the tricky move of even a double hikite ! and at 3:09 we see this double seizing and pulling back .... without touching the other guy , being used as some type of telegraphed wind up to do the double block . If they knew the REAL applications, those movements would be totally different . and not look so silly, rigid, impractical downright 'suicidal ' . Why do karateka then constantly use hikite when attacking , ... and why is it NOT used in Sanchin ( first series of punches ) Maybe comments like these are what originally got your goat ; Most karate ka dont have a clue what they are doing and are practising corrupted forms due to several FACTS + The system was taught by the destroyed and defeated Okinawans to the Americans that defeated them - as if they where going to teach them everything or correct things ! + at an early stage, it was modified as a school physical education system , for children . + It got imported to Japan where they greatly corrupted and modified it and basically stole it and transformed it into a Japanese product ( like they where doing with just about everything back then - 'Made in Japan ' ) using non Japanese traditions (like French Savate - that just happened to be touring Jaoan at the exact time Funokoshi's son started making up modern JKA karate ) and adopting other parts of Japanese budo to make it more Japanese .. of yes, and modifed the kanji meaning to make Karate from 'Chinese Hand ' to 'Empty hand ' .

Happy Chinese New Year - covid style

And not too far fetched to say that a piped up 'youngun' , even in the same tradition , can get one over on 'Old Pop ' . The cheeky blighter is smiling and laughing ! For a little while .... It seems you are claiming that ALL other martial arts BUT karate are in those camps . I am wondering what specific type of karate you mean , or what one you have personal experience with , to give you this opinion ?

I agree that it is unfortunate that his chanel is called 'karate tv' . It should be called ' Kalari Payyatu TV' What is your definition of ' authentic karate styles'

Oooh goody - stories .... My teacher once fought a tiger and .... . Nah . Real fighters are a different kettle of fish . I know a guy - outback bare knuckle boxing champ ... and they tough ! Amy martial artists that fights him had better watch out . He has easily cleaned up 3 on 1 . Thugs that are used to fighting, but not used to people like him . he gets a lot better after he is drunk and has been punched in the head a few times ... then he comes 'good' . Still, I seen him intimidated and back off from a flurry of quick distracting kicks at his knees and same with finger eye strikes . Same with an MMA guy ... its against their 'rules' so they are not used to it . But they are used to a whole lot of other stuff, like taking a massive amount of punishment and still continuing ...... for a few years .

Oh, I see now . It did not t have to do with what you quoted me as saying here . It had to do with some thing you where holding onto that I said elsewhen and elsewhere , where you decide not to respond , or maybe did , and didnt like the answer you got . Anyway, I see the 'threadstarter' here doesnt mind some slight diversions , so , let;s examine this : I see, you are NOT going to make a reference to what I actually said, but are going to paraphrase it in your own words AND leave out any background and context as to what was said . But you will not waste time looking up this thread/s but will rely on your memory of what you have been holding on to AND THEN invite me to waste my time trying to find and supply background and context ? I said " Kalaripayattu loses against karate " . ? Or is this more of your 'memory' 'paraphrasing ' I see again you are not directly quoting me . Where did I say " Kalaripayattu loses against karate " ? Nor did I mention ANY reasons related to such a topic. UNLESS You meant I failed to mention ALL OF THAT ? Well, yeah . I also failed to mention a lot of things ; some , apparently are the things you think. I probably also failed to mention everything that dwai thinks , or anything Illumarin thinks . I could try to rectify it ; HEY GUYS ! Oneerionaught thnks Kalaripayattu loses against karate and blah ... blah ( see above ) There you go . ( Not that I would think such a general and silly thing myself,. But If anyone else feels I am not mentioning stuff they are thinking or feeling, please send me a list and I will try my best to list them all in a post for you . ) Oh, thats what you mean by 'battle' . I have a different understanding of the word ... the dictionary meaning ; " a sustained fight between large organized armed forces " A lot more is holding karate back from developing than politics ! And that also depends on definition . How should it 'develop' ? as a money making enterprise with 1000s of dojos American style . As a slowed down archicortical tradition using the unique Japanese cultural insanity of 'tatme and honne ' ? or as the orignal masters in Okinawa intended , under the contracts they made with the first westerners that trained there ? As a blood sport ? As 'sports karate' ? As 'sports karate' entering and adapting into the MMA field (another sport ) . What ? You are on the subject but this isnt any type of answer to what I actually asked about hikite . Anyway ... how was it used in combat sports with success. Okay, then what is this exact same principle of ' the chambering ' . Oh dear , do I need to post a string of videos . Maybe you are not looking close or fast enough , its there all the time . But again the words 'getting into horse stance ' seem a bit of a giveaway . Like it is assumed that one would be standing there in a formal kata / kihon exercise of 'being' in horse stance but not in its dynamic moving form in real application ; moving off line angling off, take down , follow downs . Here is a collection of them in one video . With a bit of advice that goes beyond 'white belt' (or 3 dan black , depending on where and with you you train ) on horse stance ... from the MMA perspective . Not that you 'not seeing this' helps explain my question about hikite . Why would they not allow it ? and to return to my original question : Why use hikite in kuhon, and kata ? What does it represent , what are you doing by doing hikite ? Also what is the 'theory' about it ? - which is pretty much the same question as 'why do it ' ? I hope you understand the question by now ? I am not saying tsuki does not work , I am asking why do hikite WITH tsuki ? I agree that all sorts of 'hybridized punches' can work ... especially if opponents are not used to them ! I know tsuki 'works', I never said it didnt . and yes, I do know karate didnt traditionally wear gloves Gloves also hamper a wide range of other hand / finger strikes and techniques and blunt the force of striking the Kyushu - its hard to use the middle knuckle joint or point of big toe with 'gloves' on ... even grappling gloves is a restriction . . The only time I use padded gloves is when I have a jo and go against a bokken, for certain exercises ( that is , in more realistic training experiments; the swordsman will go for a strike on the jo and slide to smash the fingers , or a direct strike on the fingers , because his weapon has a hand guard and the jo has not . The jo wielder must adapt their technique accordingly ). So I do know about that .... a bit. Looking forwards to your responses about 'hitike' .

Thanks for the little lecture ....... but , what on earth was in my post that you quoted that you think it needed this above response ? And why would I need to not " ... take my word for it go and see for yourself " ..... I have been 'going and seeing myself' , practising and studying history and development of 'karate' for over 50 years . Are you claiming Karate is 'battle ready ' ? . Maybe you can explain why hliite is used in tsuki during kihon but not kumite and especially not in MMA ? .

Stop destroying that flower Limi .

Strangely , I get that side of it . 62. At all my meetings with you shall the priestess say — and her eyes shall burn with desire as she stands bare and rejoicing in my secret temple — To me! To me! calling forth the flame of the hearts of all in her love-chant. 63. Sing the rapturous love-song unto me! Burn to me perfumes! Wear to me jewels! Drink to me, for I love you! I love you! 64. I am the blue-lidded daughter of Sunset; I am the naked brilliance of the voluptuous night-sky. 65. To me! To me!

Oh Gawd ..... he's awake . .

This bit ^ This is the reason that Wunan Law keepers , who have held a secret tradition for about 12,000 years regarding the 'unknown' ' Gwion Gwion rock art tradition, have recently 'come out' with their knowledge . That, and the destruction of their 'written record ' and people. Desperate times need desperate actions https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/arts/bradshaw-gwion-gwion-rock-art ( first part , 'Old School' Euro interpretation , 2nd part , updates . )

Urrrmm .... I think I get it . I do live in a happiness that sees the divine in everything material ( no difference with or transition between 'heaven and earth' ) But I am more inclined to say ' Thank you for all of this ' rather than 'I want you ' . So I still dont get the 'I want you ' bit . Maybe if I didnt have my happiness bringing awareness I might ask ' I want that ' or even, 'I want to feel your presence' is what 'I want you' means ? . Maybe I have trouble with the idea of 'wanting' a personification or an ' entity ' ... it seems too much like 'possession ' ..... for me

Good ! Now he has gone to bed , maybe I can get a response from forestofemptiness to whom my post was actually addressed .

Yes, my instructor vacillates between laughter and getting pissed off with me here is a fav of mine for OS visitors , during training ( which we do outdoors in nature ) " Oh Look ! A kangaroo is watching us ! " They turn to look ...... < slash > .... down their back with a wooden sword ( gently , of course ) .

Also .... they are funny be fun to train with .

Well, I have had my posts trolled before . but not usually one single conjunctive conditional clause from a post trolled !

I was with you up to the part where I inserted ............. What do you mean " I want you ' regrading a God or Goddess ? I can understand wanting a Gods qualities , attitudes , communications, knowledge, outlook, etc . But what does wanting the God themselves mean ? - Bear with me here ..... I dont really even understand the expression when its one human 'wanting' the other . ... if someone said 'I want you ' I would either be suspicious or .... " What for ? "

Anyone that thinks I really am 'being deceived ' is more than welcome to explain that to me logically and reasonably - if they are capable of that .

Dwai , I think during the first vid 'empty hand ; techniques were mentioned , but I didnt see any on the video . Got any of that to post ?

I was the one that was deceived ? Dont believe everything you think about what you see on the internet . .

Yeah , thats because you where in a karate class . I had a Chinese guy in one of my karate classes , he didnt fight like a kung fu guy at all . So I guess kung - fu is bunk too ? I bet those Indian guys in your karate class didnt use those long flexible ' whip swords' either . ( and I am betting you dont even know why 'karate class guys ' fight the way they do ) .