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Its been a rather dumb comparison all along . Like I aid earlier about those long flexible whip swords . MMA guy would find it hard to do even the drill associated with them.

Definitely a chip ... a beam even . Take his advice while he is just posting as a member , before he goes into moderator mode ... and when that happens , you will see how fast you can loose your style of 'argument' here . .

Good idea and sorry for the disruption, I did try to get back on topic more than once ... but THIS guy ! .... what you said above

Well I thought you did boxing . Thats why I asked about if you ever heard 'hands up' coming from your corner . and that was in relation NOT to whether we WHERE taking about boxing or not , but the the silliness of withdrawing the other hand in hikite while punching, when you are practising against another and you DONT actually grab them and pull them in , thus leaving that side of your head unguarded . why has this been so hard to understand what I am saying . I have explained it about 4 different ways , even with video demo

and when I explain something and show how you where wrong ... you just ignore that and witch to some other thing . and again Oh ... back to step 2 again ? step 1 ; never a horse stance used in MMA . ( I show him vid that shows they do ) step 2 " that isnt a proper horse stance ! ' . ( I explain how the guy on vid addresses this at the beginning ) Step 3 . Gives new opinion that has now morphed into what I and the guy on the vid said . (so I point that out . ) Step 4 . You affirm that MMA techniques are being used in an MMA vid I post ( well done ! ) and then revert back to your step 1 YOU agree with my ridiculous scenario ? people practice bunkai with a part real techique they do with some body parts and visualise a techniques they going to do with other body parts at the same. About time you admitted you have not got a clue about the answer to my question about hikite ... which, by now, you have probably forgot I would , if someone could ask properly and not deliberately try to misinterpret what I say , and then laugh and mock at the stuff they made up but attribute to me . So, hiw come you got so 'uppity' when I suggested the same thing about it making ' absolutely no sense ' More diversions and not answering the question and this whole issue about America not invading Okinawa is pure stupidity and obstinacy on your part , Come back and try a different approach with me and I will explain it to you .

Do you still practice and if so what ? Because its a little unclear wther you just had a few lessons or stuck at these long enough to gain valid experience . I have never done stick tapping . Experience started in the back yard as a kid , dad was a boxer . I soon learnt how boxing was all over karate , well the karate I was doing back then . One time he was getting me with such a flurry of head shots and i did a front kick just above his groin , he cried 'foul play ' and told me 'only girls kick ' . very old school guy . So, at school I started Shotokan Karate , our first real (JKA approved ) instructor was sent out from Shotokan HQ a German guy called Frank Nowak , the first non Japanese to get Sandan grade and be given a country to head . About 4 years of that , by now I have left school and joined a different style ; Sikiran , a Filipino style evolved from a more ancient form of Sikiran 'foot fighting ' , a crazy range of kicks . Thats the fiirst time I was 'allowed' to touch a weapon, they did bo and nunchuks . About 4 years again. Then I did some bad Aikido on the other side of OZ in Perth WA where I then moved . And a bit of Silat , only abut 6 months . Then I came back over east and discovered Akikai , a much better form (and original ) Aikido . I trained for about 8 years with many really good teachers , for a while I was living in the city and busing around where ever it was on, 3 nights a week and Saturday mornings . Then I moved away from the city to a rural location, no good schools, I tried one aikido school in a near by small city but it was pretty bad . So I started ding some teaching myself , at the local school as their 'weekly sport' , small groups , friends , once at a festival where about 60mpeople turned up to do one of my classes - YIKES! .. but something very magical happened that blew them away . Then I discovered a quiet little group of a few was training in my town and doing weapons , so I joined . When I looked into them I could not believe I had run into someone with the lineage * they had in a small country town like that . It was only pointed out this morning over coffee after training that I have been doing it ( I estimated 'over 10 years ' ) 'More like 17 years .' We do empty hand Pinan 1 - 5 , Niharchin 1 - 3 , Passai 1 & 2 and 'Oshimi Passai ' , a 'staff taking kata - ' Nobudhi no gata ', Chinto, Gojushiho, Kusanku and Hakatsuru. Weapons ; 5 bo katas including the Shorin Ryu ( that is Matsamura Seito Shorin ryu ) bo form Chichen no kon . 2 eku (oar ) katas , various short jo and boken katas . One longer jo AND boken together kata ( that I developed and teach ) , 3 sai kata and 3 gama (sickle ) kata from Hohan Sokken. ... and a few other weapons occasionally ; stick, knife , I like doing double machete (I got a wooden pair made ), and can adapt these two hand forms to them . Oh yes, and all the bunkai (applications ) that the moves in these kata represent , and various weapons against weapons . Oh yeah , and Aikikai came to town so I started doing that again as well , weapons ther are jo, boken and tanto . * the linage , going backwards Me My 'instructor ' ( I teach him a lot too and some of what he teaches comes from me ) His instructor ' Ted' , recently sadly passed on - you will see him mentioned as valid in the next reference I give . His teacher , my 'teacher ' ( that is , he whose teaching I study follow , as passed down ) and my 'instructors teacher ' ; Kosei Nishira https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosei_Nishihira His teacher Hohan Soken https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohan_Sōken try this , Dillman admits ( to his own detriment ! ) what I have been saying here . His teacher Nabe Matsamura https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabe_Matsumura and his teacher 'Bushi' Matsamura - personal body guard to the last 3 Okinawan Kings ... until Japan oppressed them . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsumura_Sōkon

You mean like a 'fight club' ? Good ! As it just gets worse and worse ; .... the horror .... the horror .... It probably seems that way to you . I can tell because when I read some of your responses below , it seems you haven't a clue what I mean . Here is an example , what you are responding to is a response to what you said . You might not 'need it' . Just like I might not NEED you to respond to what I say , but you do . 'Such is life ' . Ummm , no . You misread again , as I said above . What you are saying here is a response to my ; " Regardless of 'style' , such a person who had (ie. my previous ; ' more experienced in fighting and training, building up strength, endurance, innovation and tactics ) would make a good Kalaripayattu and one that does not would not make a very good Kalaripayattu. So if you read what I wrote (and following previous comments that this response was written in relation to ie Q ; ' What makes good Kalaripayattu ) I was writing ; ' a person ( a Kalaripayattu ) who had more experienced in fighting and training, building up strength, endurance, innovation and tactics would make a good Kalaripayattu and one that does not would not make a very good Kalaripayattu. ' And I believe that applies to any style (as well as Kalaripayattu . But if you think this is erroneous , then it conflicts with what you are saying below about fighting experience and training . And it might help to understand why YOU are not being understood when you declare this is what you have been saying all along . Probably , and I agree with him . But ... but .... I dont even know any Kalaripayattu . ! Nice try though ; trying to get me to walk into a kick boxing gym , and challenge them all with an art I know nothing about ... thanks for the 'encouragement ' . It still seems like you think I am defending Kalaripayattu . If anything I was trying to separate karate systems . And as a reminder , no I would not call Kalaripayattu karate . ... I would call it Kalaripayattu . And you , my good Sir are definitely a You really want these guys to beat me don't you ? Agreed ! But ... Taking Ueshiba's view, and in my experience, one can do effective martial arts with a haracentric view ! That's gotta be even more extreme than a mere geocentric one ! That is ' when someone seizes my wrist , I do not circle around them , I stand still and rotate the whole Universe around my hara .' Its a neat trick ... trickier to maintain when 'rolling out ' Yeah . I was agreeing until the last sentence .... oh right , you think i am a proponent of the martial arts you dont like . Yes . I can agree with that . Close, that isn't actually what I was 'trying to do ' .... although the 'box' part is right . Its more; I see YOU in the box already ... and me yeah, thats good . Nothing to do about what I was complaining about though . What ! You said you dont see horse stance it in MMA . I posted a vid on how you do see it . With an explanation about peoples confusion about it as a prelude in the vid . Now you respond to that by citing basically the same as what they guy in the vid and I, myself previously said . You are doing it again ! I posted a vid of TWO GUYS drilling with each other . When you practice alone you are visualising it ! Are you suggesting that the guys in the vid are part visualising and part doing it ? What , guy 1 (actually ) punches , guy 2 (actually ) does hikite but (imagines ) he has seized the other hand and drawn him in and off balance , while guy 1 is still punching so he (actually ) , blocks that .... and then counters . besides this explains NOTHING I was referring to , about leaving you guard DOWN on that side ! DUDE , are claiming to have done boxing ? ! Did you ever hear a voice off in your corner yelling " Hands up ! Hands UP ! " ? or do you have trouble responding to comments that need to be understood in relation to what THEY are responding to ? Oh , sorry I must be confused again . Could have sworn it was YOU that said things about a monolithic style ? I was responding to THAT and referring to JKA / Shotokan monopoly as the 'monolithic' style . I was saying same thing too , in some cases . But you seemed to have interpreted that in your own ways . Out of existence like a ; " a miserable, formless entity floating in virtual space with a big mouth and a whole lot of useless, illogical things to say." ? Doing it again ! This part of our argument was never about if America was directly at war or not it was about Okinawans feeling pissed at Americans for bombing and invading them . Now I REALLY think you cant follow a thread . Or even understand what people are REALLY saying . I'd venture to say that you have such 'efficient ' blinkers on that you cant help seeing things as the way YOU want them to be . - probably fuelled by what you are holding onto from the past , which you didnt address back then , as you admitted in your first post her , when you decided to challenge me . Dont be silly . and .. you are paraphrasing again . I bet you would get a surprise to go back and read what I DID say about this . I said invaded Okinawa .... not a 'war between' . See how you change things ? Nah . Its probably wrong , you bring up some good points here . Well, its more than that . But as far as Mawashi Geri type low kicks , yes . But not those , enter with the groin open and roundhouse to the head kicks . For a variety of reasons . Even a double flying " Mawashi Geri ' type kick ... but low . Teacher * once made a bit of a mistake . He thought a visitor was challenging him to a fight , when the guy only wanted to spar . Mr. N. leapt at him aiming (feinting ) , one of these kicks at the other's left knee , the guy stepped back and then the other kick came in to the side of his other knee . Bad damage - hospital . He also taught a kick that features in his form of Hakatsuru (Okinawan crane form ) its like a 'backhand' Mawashi Geri ( again not delivered with the knee above the hip ) but comes around from the other direction , i.e. if doing it with the right leg , the right foot would come around and strike to your right . Sneaky . Its also a way of doing a ' whip kick' . Matsamuru killed two guys by a double whip kick (probably the first to the knee, the second to the liver ) , point of contact is with the big toe . - dont laugh , I seen some Okinawans put the point of their big toe through a board . I have only managed to crack two bricks from constantly practising on a brick wall (barefoot ) , but anyway , most dont go barefoot nowadays ..... they where these; the 'liver massager ' So, yes, Okinawans do have all sorts of kicks, but nearly all are low . I can tell you where some came from (allegedly ) The strange 'hook stance' kick in Chinto kata came from a 'pirate' named Chinto . From studying the account of his past life and the ensuing fight with Matsamura in a cave ( one of the few Matsamura could not win ) , its purpose and best use can be discerned - and that's rather surprising ... but me being full of shit and all that , you probably aren't interested . The ones in Kusanku kata came from a Chinese Qing Dynasty ambassador to Okinawa named Kwang Shang Fu Yeah . you are probably right about this . Seems to make sense . Certainly possible . Now you want them to beat me up He was born in Okinawa but was viable to Japanese ways just as much as his father , whom other Okinawans did not have that high an opinion of . It was said he didnt know the real bunkai of the kata he was teaching . maybe thats why Shotokan had to change Okinawan karate into JKA approved version , so it fitted the bunkai they made up Like that 'adaptation' they made to the first kata moves 7 and 8 .... oh wait , they swapped the numbering around too and made this first kata the second kata . Ohhh ... the loss of interesting and effective bunkai that one single change made ! Do you have any of those properties I could look at ? Nah . They did it with HEAPS of products ! You might be too young to remember all that stuff flooding the market . Good, they are breaking out of the stranglehold and acknowledging China again. No . because Oyama's first teacher was Chinese , so he never started off doing a BS type of karate in Japan . He did a bit of Shotokan and then went to Gojuryu - traditional Okinawan hard style . Then he got real fighting experience against US Military Police ( a bit of a 'street thug' ) . Then he did a hermits phase of insane toughness . With a quick trip to JKA land and kicked the shit out of them, then back up the mountain . .. and so on he might have believed in authentic Japanese budo , but he certainly did not much spend time with the guys I am criticising , went back to Okinawan style , did super hard training full time , and came back and kicked those same arses ! ( in the Karate Section of Japanese National Martial Arts Championships ) . Nope . you just made that up . They had many concepts of sparing . And to claim they didnt is worthy of a LOL But you just made up your own claim that you are lolling at .... LOL . The claim was about the particular method of fighting that got developed for sports karate , not too suggest that no sparring was ever done in japan before the French Savate team got there or that the " Japanese didn't understand the concept of sparring until the French arrived . " - see what you do ? . Now before you go off on one of your misunderstanding again ... I am not supporting the ' Karate nerd' here , I am just clarifying that which you are changing - in your attempt to make your argument look better . Or its that misreading thing again . Yeah , thats possible too . bet the Japs would not admit it though . But but ..... .

Hey ! My last GF had a sign like that over her bed .

You are your nephew's dog ? Okey dokey . You used I twice when describing how you didnt use I Todays update .... nothing . Wot ?

.... Oh , Mr O never came back to tell us what martial art he practices and where he got all his experience and knowledge from .

That first evasion / deflection is a good demo of how little force is needed against a thrust . Its mostly getting off line with a 'cover' (in this case ) slap to stop the thrust tracking you as you move. Now consider the above video on karate basics , with those huge heaving smashing 'blocks' that they put their whole body into , to deal with a thrust . And, where it is shown in the vid , note how the other hand goes forward first before the 'block' is done , that is the 'slap' / deflection / cover part ( and they dont seem to know about getting off line) . So, your mate 'gets it ' . ' Dont touch me philosophy ' - like my 'personal sphere ' concept . Now , its Saturday , dawn , and I am off to training ( and thinking what 'surprise' I can spring on them ) .

No . But it is Indian Martial Art . I wonder how many there are ?

Anyways .... back to our topic , Indian martial arts . I made posts about this before , but I find them fascinating ; Thats a Sikh altar . And the Sikh symbol ; two knives , a sword and a chakram . and , of course, this guy ; try from 2:38

No . YOU may wish to quote what I said instead of becoming , yet another, paraphraser . When people stop trying to playing dishonest games and communicate clearly and honestly with me .... I am not that bad a person . I clearly stated I have weapons training. And clearly stated that I think one must be able to go against a weapon with a weapon, without a weapon, how to disarm a weapon with a weapon ( the staff exercise I mentioned ), without a weapon and what to do if you are disarmed from your weapon . Its rather phenomenal that people must be able to read , yet choose to ignore what was written and then go and make up their own interpretation / paraphrasing and try to challenge the other person on what they themselves actually wrote ! Anyway , I got weapons all around the place , everything from 3 tomahawks stuck in the chopping block ( yeah, I can throw them accurately too ) , to , anything at hand actually . Thats one type of 'kobudo ' - dont attack a farmer ! Even if you are a fisherman walking home with your oar ; I also have a few jo lying around , near the door, inside , on the verandah . Jo seems the better weapon for indoor defence , its short and can be used in a variety of ways, its not inherently deadly, but can be . One thing I can tell you though .... if someone does turn up waving a glock around I am certainly NOT going to go ' gun-fu' on them , or as our friend here prefers to call it ' gun- jitsu ' ... and no way would I use a technique like that against a REAL knife attack either , as our friend suggested earlier . We do practice it in training ; one person madly attacks with a machete , the other defends with a jo . I examine news and other footage of attacks and we examine them and try remedies . Eg. in looking at that mad woman attacking that guy with the axe in the 7 / 11 his mistake was to take his eyes of her ; he sees her , looks surprised at the axe , says something ( maybe like ' Oh that looks nasty- or 'You look dangerous ' - thats been said to me after I bought a brush hook at the markets and was walking around with it ). the woman shrugs and grins ( like I did ) and the guy feels its safe and totally turns his back on her , not even stepping away a bit or keeping one eye on her ... as soon as he does that ... wham ! Full swing from behind into the side of his neck ! besides , its not all about that . I worked as an orderly for around 10 years in a public hospital , guess who they called upon when there was a giant muscly drugged out drunk or crazy person being aggressive in the accident and emergency ward , ICU or psyche ward ? Skills learnt in MA are applicable there , if even on the psychological level . I agree except with a change of wording I showed above , again this is part of the point I a m making; those women should NOT go to MA classes to learn self defence ideally they should go to a self defence class , or even a women's self defence class . I 'tested' a woman that did martial arts for self defence - it was pathetic , I easily got control of her , against all her 'arts' . Later I was in a real self defence class , I was invited to seize , not a woman but a little girl ! I grabbed he from behind and she did the usual , so I countered, sunk weight and really got hold of her , one arm around her throat , you could she she started to panic, but then immediately , stomped my toe pressure point with her heel , reached up to gouge my eyes , I leaned back to avoid that and she switched to a solid blow in my gonlzales' , stomping the other toe so I couldnt shift my hips aside . That made me hunch forward and the pain distracted me and enabled her to throw me , being shirt she had the advantage , now, of a lower centre , flipped me over, kept control of her now applied wrist lock, a knee in the side of the head and a painful holding down wrist lock . I tapped out . A girl ! now THAT is self defence . I got up dishevelled , the instructor smiled at me and then turned to the girl ; " Good ! " So peeps , if you have kids and want them to learn how to defend themselves , enrol them in proper self defence class . if you want them to learn martial arts , enrol them in a martial arts class . If you want them to learn both , ie a real martial art with real self defence and fighting capability , NOT in a ring and with 'rules' .... My paypal account is ......

Well, here it is peaceful , yet occasionally there is a home invasion , sometimes with meth fueled guys waving machetes around . One guy last year got hit in the neck with an axe by the woman behind him while waiting at a cash register cue in a 7/ 11 . of course its comparatively rare ,but you never know , one guy locally got so out of it he sits on his verandah smoking meth pipe and randomly firing his glock off into the forest and insanely laughing . he presently turned up off chops ( with machete ) to demand the money back from the guy ( with his family home at the time ! ) who bought his house off him . he recently got busted ; illegal cropping , meth factory , meth and speed packed for export , huge range of guns, 80 stolen cars ! Just over the next ridge and we didnt know about it . It may not invade my personal space , chances are I will live my life never being confronted by it . But if I am , be damned if I am gonna stand there like a scared bunny in the headlights not having a clue about what I should do !

You haven't actually said if you are a practitioner or not and what, if you are, it is that you practice . ... and for how long . Care to elaborate ? Or is all this just you 'supposin' ' ?

Indeed ! When we are talking about the real meaning of 'battle' . Here is another thing many dont realise ; a whole range of karate ( and aikido) techniques dont seem to make much sense , until one realises that the practitioner would have been wearing a sword . Or during a skuffle, you might be trying to stop him drawing a sword , or he might be trying to control you from drwaing your sword , or control you after you have drawn your sword ' Shio nage is a good example some people, even experienced , forget this . We have a kata that gives bunkais (applications) for empty hand techniques against a staff attack - very effective . We also have staff kata with bukai in it to disarm the opponent from their staff, while the other maintains theirs . When practising this and the other is disarmed , they stand their defenceless and take the 'hit' . For some reason no one ( well .... one person does ) quickly switches to the unarmed defence against the staff technique when they are disarmed of their staff . It seems to make sense that if you study a weapon, you need to know how to attack with it , how to defend against that weapon, how to disarm that weapon and what to do if disarmed of that weapon . I had mate that did SAS training . I asked what he did . He listed stuff and also said we learnt knife fighting and disarming .... " If you pick up a knife I can even tell by the way you do it , if you are trained and capable in its use ." Me ; " Really ? And then you can defend against that ? " "Oh yeah ?" " Okay, I got a rubber one , lets try it ." I grabbed the knife and got into a silly 'stance' with it and held the knife ready for a stab . And he goes " yeah , I can tell by the way you are holding it and standing, you dont know what you are doing ." " Really ? " ... I lumber in with an obvious telegraphed overhand downward stab , totally mentally projecting that I am going to stab him in the neck he moves into intercept it and I kicked him in the balls . He bent forward still flailing to sieze the knife but I had stopped that movement and held the hand back , hit him with the other hand, got him off balance , grabbed his hair and pulled his head back as he was going down and drew the rubbery across his throat , THEN did the overhand stab into his chest from behind him, several times as he continued down . It really shocked him . 'Dont tfeel too bad ' I told him . "All the extra time I spent doing stuff like this , you had to spend drilling, map reading , orienteering , learning how to use a gun, abseiling , emergence first aid, parachuting , camouflaging, ..., etc etc ....

A nd the same reasons you 'know' everything Its pretty simple to comprehend and any one else here could comprehend it ; a better fighter will be more experienced in fighting and training, building up strength, endurance, innovation and tactics . They have much more chance of winning than one that dooesnt . Regardless of 'style' , such a person wh did that would make a good Kalaripayattu and one that does not would not amke a very good Kalaripayattu. Its hard to comprehend that this has to be explained to anyone claiming they know anything about M.A. I am starting to agree with others observations here that you are trolling . Well, its your money, you can waste it how you want I suppose . However , your lack of sensible betting doent prove anything ! This was your response to my " Thats no proof of anything . Anyone can just type out words like that its merely 'proof' by personal assertion ." so to counter that , you personally assert that there is evidence More of your 'facts' eh ? More generalised facts that have no room for the skills of the individuals or other conditions You know so little and generalise so much , one has to assume you are fairly young and inexperienced Errrmmm , of course you will respond like this 'But that isnt a 'proper' horse stance ! ' The first part of video explains all that . I am wondering if you know the value of using hirse stance within a set of dynamic movements , in real application , or you use it like those guys in the above karate 'demo' would . here is your argument ; You never see a guy in a deep perfectly aligned horse stance , as practised statically and by oneself, during an MMA match that is dynamic moving and where anything can happen or change or shift around . It is suggested that is because MMA is dynamic and is a fight between two people and the stance is adapted ,then when this is shown you complain that its not a horse stance that is deep, perfectly aligned horse stance, as practised statically and by oneself . WOW ! Exactly ! And he doesnt know either , his sensai told him . And so on , until one gets back to the real tradition which actually knew about these things . What ? because your 'sensai' told you to ? Whatever , some people like to practice like that .... its a wrong teaching though . how does returning your hand to your hip bring the opponent off balance IF you have not grabbed anything with it ? ! and considering your opponents other hand than the one he is punching with is also returned to the hip, how you gonna grab it (if thats what you meant ) . Its the hand that is attacking that should be seized .. and there is a whole art on this , which I posted on here, and it relates to Okinawan 'hand' / dancing . When the attacking hand/ wrist is deflected and seized and drawn in to your hip THAT would put the other off balance. So, what ? You are expecting another punch at the same time you need to block with an upward block ? It isnt making sense . One hand defelcts, seizes and does hikite to draw off balance and the other attacks , upper block is NOT a blocking technique when done with a hikite . Its plain common sense , but not that type of sense one will develop from mindless following a Sensai, who mindlessly followed his sensai and so on . Its the same with nearly all the 'blocks' ; gedan bari - 'lower block' , but bari doesnt even mean ' block' . Soto uke ? Middle outside block ? Uke doesnt mean block either . One can see the remnants of these techniques in kata , they exist in there in places, like an atrophied appendix, and just about all karateka cant explain why they do it , except 'Sensai said so' Eg pointing the other hand down and doing hikite with it before one does a lower block . See the 'ready stance' in the film above ; he steps back and does a lower left block and gets his right at his hip ready to punch . Also during kata , the other hand is pointed up in the air before the one doing the 'block' moves forward . It all got changed for school kids practice and people still do this new form today , going through all sorts of restrictions and unnatural body movements to try and get it to be practical . It seems you are finally starting to 'get it' . But that isnt needed when original forms are available , its all in them , its just that this other stuff, passing off as karate evolved in its place . Hohan Soken left Okinawa before all this change happened . He had a valid tradition descended by family from Bushi Matsamura , probably THE most famous original karateka. He went to Argentina before it started , missed WWII , came back later and saw what people where doing and had to ask them what it was . The told him 'karate' , he was amazed at the corruption that had happened to it , If you have not heard of him I suggest you or anyone else interested in karate ( r its BS modern development ) watch this video. Normally I would not recommend anything by Dilman , but here Dilman he clearly exposes himself and modern karate Really ? I am the one that is generalising now ! ? What those karate styles that are changing are doing is going back and adopting some of the old original teachings and styles . How many of them have 'gone back to Okinawa' to develop their own skill or styles ? Thing is karate DID devolve into a monolithic style and that was lead by JKA (Japan karate federation ). You dont seem to realise that my criticisms are due to me involved IN karate , personally for decades . I am not some Indian MA guy or a Kung fuer trying to discredit a different art . I am not painting it as an overall monolithic style - I am actually saying there are some people in it that know whats going on and have a totally different approach to the way its generally presented and shown and practised . I will admit that I think the 'monolithic style' constitues about 95% of it though . .. and here I do agree with your choice of words ; monolithic ; (of an organization or system) large, powerful, indivisible, and slow to change. But I have seen JKA loose ground over the last few years . I never claimed it did . Did you think that was what I was trying to show ? I claimed a more experienced and trained person was more likely to win over one not expereinced or trained , and that applies to any style or tradition . Pffft ! I can back up everyone of them and show others opinion and research that does likewise . Stop being silly ! Are you claiming that Americans never invaded Okinawa ? That they never occupied Okinawa ? That Okinawans never fought against them in their homeland ? That American serviceman stationed in Okinawa after the invasion never studied MA from the locals ? Thats what I am talking about and you know it ! By trying to counter my facts and claiming I am lying and " intellectually dishonest and historically inaccurate to call your claims "facts". in this regard by citing that " Americans were not at war directly with the Okinawans. " is stupid and ridiculous and clearly the work of a troll . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa Its not history ... its an 'interesting coincidence' that before savate demo in japan karate did not have those kicks and after it , all of a sudden they did have them . Okinawans never kicked like that and THEY got a huge portion of their stuff from China . Possibly that is wherr Savate got it from. but that doesnt mean that it cold not have gone through savate to Japanese karate . As I just said , a huge element of 'Chuan fa ' passed into Okinawan MA and they didnt have kicks like that . So much so that karate meant 'Chinese hand ' / boxing . Japan would refuse to recognise anything they stole and adapted after WWII as anything but Japanese . They changed the meaning of karate and adapted other of their MA into it , like movement and footwork and body posture for the use of certain weapons and they certainly where not going to admit any Chinese or French influence .

Of course they dont 'exist' That does not stop our own psychology from working though . an old fav quote from Crowley comes to mind here ; " ... the Sephiroth and the Paths; of Spirits and Conjurations; of Gods, Spheres, Planes, and many other things which may or may not exist. It is immaterial whether these exist or not. By doing certain things certain results will follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophic validity to any of them. 3. The advantages to be gained from them are chiefly these: ("a") A widening of the horizon of the mind. ("b") An improvement of the control of the mind. ( my emphasis ) I would add ( c) ' an improvement of the control of the external environment ' .

Oh yeah ... the 'helpful prayer ' ; " O Lord, deliver this sinner from his confusion and error and may he be lead to the one and only truth of Jeeezus ! "

Well, 'if' a nice person did a nice spell for / on you .... they would tell you what they are doing . However , a nasty person, with a nasty spell might not inform you what they doing . Other answers to your question might be ; how do you feel ? Consult an oracle , dowsing , clairvoyance ( aura check ) and ... dare I say it ... get a 'chakra scan ' .

I wasn't responding to him . regarding your question ... how would I know ?

More strange covid news from Oz ; I was watching an economic report on the news . Seems like our economy is doing amazingly well NOW , becasue of covid . A series of all sorts of graphs where presented and they all go up over the last few months . Looking at a projected graph of growth made before covid existed up to the present , compared to a graph from what actually happened . the actul one is WAY above the projected one . As I noted earlier , friends have more money, are spending more money and some have multiple jobs . The problem is ( and of course this is happening ! ) all these benefits are mostly at the top end of society, that is , the gap between rich and poor is also increasing . Although in my observations , of people with more jobs and money, they are not rich people .

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