Nungali

Ohhhh ..... you want me to substantiate my claims do you ? Okay then ; Now if you could get to the end of that , past the attempts of 'the believers' to derail it (who got banned , by the way ) , I would have gone on to this . 26 episodes there are . I have studied all of them . After you have , we can discuss it . Oh and by the way , my first 'theories' in that Judaism thread have been well backed up by Dr Finklestien now , and also, when I started that thread I had never heard of him . Now moving on to your UNSUBSTANTIATED claim about religion growing ... rather sully as now anyone can check with a quick Google and get ; " AI Overview In recent decades, religious affiliation has generally decreased in many parts of the world, with a rise in the number of people identifying as non-religious. While some religions, like Islam, have experienced growth, the overall trend shows a decline in religious affiliation and a rise in the number of religiously unaffiliated individuals. " Of course no proof or evidence or logic will sway you from this path you are on here though will it ?

That's a classic 'sanity check ' comment ! if you had not noticed , I don't just try ... I do it , all the time . That's what Neo-hermetics is ! Well not exactly , I do it a bit different ; NOT " searching for parallels in science which might apply to esotericism " but understanding the essential principles in hermetics (esotericism is too broad a term for this ) and discovering how they apply to the essential principles within physics . Here you go ... just one example of a post here on record " I might want to try it sometime "

Nope . They were "stars fallen from heaven " . Like I said , if you REALLY want to know , follow the history of the word and do some research EG . Realize what Revelations actually IS and there metaphors in it . Realize its a story about the then current political world in context of the COMMON 'war in heaven ' motif that is throughout the ancient world : Aesir - Vanir War , Asuras , Devas, Gigantomancy, War between Angels and Jinn, Theomachy, Titanomarchy, etc . That's some deep gematria you got going there Rubbish ! You going to claim some special power of the Bible now because it may or may not have deep hidden meanings about fractions ? - excuse me Sir ..... your indoctrination is showing .

There where Gnostics that thought exactly that and thought to do 'bad' in the eyes of this terrible 'God' actually means you are doing good , So they worshiped other Gods , practiced homosexuality, adultery , etc . Then there was the other group that wanted to do all that but were still too indoctrinated . Solution ? They found some passage that said while man walks on God's earth he must obey his rules .... when they were 'on the surface ' they were good . For 'other needs' they set up down in caves party time !

Dao = 0 the unmanifest . Giving birth to the one unveils its inner 'potential' ... the 'one ' being expressed as ( n- + n+ ) which = 0 The one giving birth to the two , n _ n+ unveils its inner potential ; - and + which is within the signature of all creation (10,000 things ) ; in physics this relates to 'supersymetry theory ' . I better not go on about that here , but it is a principle theorized to exist in many fields ' The supersymmetry algebra Supersymmetric quantum mechanics In finance Supersymmetry in quantum field theory Supersymmetry in condensed matter physics Supersymmetry in optics Supersymmetry in dynamical systems Supersymmetry in mathematics Supersymmetry in string theory Supersymmetry in particle physics Supersymmetric extensions of the Standard Mode Supersymmetry in alternate numbers of dimensions Fractional supersymmetry

That singularity that 'emanated ' before the big bang but after ..... whatever came before it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity Before ? Aside from being termed Dao ; 2. Models and Theories about What Came Before: Quantum Foam/Multiverse: Some models suggest a pre-Big Bang state of "quantum foam" or a multiverse where our universe is just one of many. Cyclical Universe: Another idea is a cyclical universe, where the Big Bang might be the result of a previous phase of contraction and expansion. Beyond the Big Bang: Some argue that asking about what existed before the Big Bang is meaningless because time as we understand it may have originated with the Big Bang. Inflationary Cosmology: Inflationary cosmology suggests that the universe underwent a period of rapid expansion very early on, which may have started from a finite state rather than a singularity. Hot Tricks in Nova Mix: For those that don't need to speculate on the details but just need a general idea . or ... " A Wizard did it "

I notice you saying it .... ( and I notice your attempts at giving it validity ; 'at some point ' ... more 'tone of being correct ' ) but I notice no one else ever saying it . I call bizzaro on that one . It seems like one of those overly head trip construct one can get from too much armchair and not enough field work ( theory / practice ) . .. and I mean worthwhile practice that gives everyday material benefit Sleep deprivation will not do that . No ... its a stage of 'energized enthusiasm ', is usually transitory ( except in the case of advanced 'genius ' ) and requires 'payback ' ( 'crashing' ) One the six spoked wheel it lies in the segment ruled by 'Bhakti Yoga' and 'Invocative Magick ' aka 'love ' ... heading towards the dark outer realm ( towards ignorance ) of obsession , but not in it , and heading out of the light inner realm ( towards enlightenment ) of the ' love section ' . Some of our greatest ( male ) heroes have been driven by their passion ..... it is a distinctive energy between Mars and Venus and without the driving Mars force , well, there is no 'passion' its more passive . Originally passion ( its roots ) meant to suffer or endure ... under that understanding , some women might agree with the above This is why I have never been a fan or practiced eastern 'tantra ' (of this type ) , its either totally mistaken and an old outworn sexist influenced load of rubbish ... or a different cultural mindset - either way , not for me . The western tantric view is not fraught with such inconsistencies . In short I would ask , if the container becomes full or is filling , what was the source ? Why not connect to the source and 'flow ' . To flow in and not out or to flow out and not in is not flow , and no flow means stagnation ..... 'pooling ' . If I draw in ki to my hara and extend out my hands ( let's say 'to heal ) , why would I stop ( ever ) drawing in ? No energy like this comes from another but it can be received direct and given to another or received from another .... but it all comes from a source .... why rely on a full bucket and worry and fuss and blame over it being depleted ... when you can just turn on the tap whenever you want water ? Unless you believe chi, ki or 'spiritual energy ' is generated by the person themselves ? The practices that seem like that are about making sure the 'hose' is allowing flow properly and the 'tap' is on .... and of course there is an outlet somewhere . The 'issue' that you are feeling a loss or drain should indicate lack of flow , or output beyond input . It isn't that the bucket is being filled and emptied that causes the problem ... you should not even need a bucket . But this eastern view is probably all mixed up with the physical process of ejaculation . . . a problem in the west as well . 'We ' consider that men and women contain both yin and yang . Do I need to go back to my point about old school sexism here ? I think I am glad the meaning is masked (although suggestive ) by the poor syntax ! Now I'm going to go 'Biblical on you ' " Actually Man lost part of his manliness so God could make the female body . A little diversion ; my brother informs me his grand daughter 'has my genes ' ... and here they where thinking I was the lone black sheep of the family ! She is attending Sunday school he informs me and ... Little Millie : " Why did God need to take Adam's rib to make a woman ?" Teacher : " Well, that's ... just what he did ... they way he did it . Why do you ask ? " " Well, he just said 'let there be Light' and there was light . He made this and that and everything just by saying so . But to make Eve he needed an Adam rib first ... and some dust and spit .... why didn't he just say " And let there be woman ? " Why is it different for making the woman ." Teacher : " Ummmm ..... look that's just what he did and it said so in the BIble . " - 'God' bless her ! ... and down the rabbit hole we go ... Silver vomit eh ? I seen that before ! don't leave out sexist , rude, comparing women to buckets , adopting a tone of being correct .... Yoiks ! .

This is amazing and groundbreaking ! Now I no longer have to waste my time ; searching for the right woman , paying money on dates , having a swish car , ( or even a shower ) , foreplay , condoms .... even 'being nice ' ..... all solved .... just wait until phone is at low power and place it on my LDT .... .

I doubt Christians never knew ( and probably still do not ) 'demonology' . Most of what is in their old manuscripts , they picked up in the early period by copying the lore from Greek and Arabic grimories and some passed down Mesopotamian lore and Jewish mythological sources. And a lot of the Jewish 'demonology' merely refers to aspects of other religions ; going to the actual Biblical references ( ;heaven forbid ! ) se'irim - an Assyrian goat like creature that sacrifices are NOT to be made to , shedim - does seem to refer to a demon but it comes from an Akkadian term for demon . Both are about idolatry and forbidden sacrifices . Basically ; don't sacrifice to other Gods ( even though they supposedly do not exist ) only sacrifice to Jehovah . But most don't know that ... as they have been 'indoctrinated' . Even the modern word 'demon' is not usually understood etymologically . I suggest looking at some variant spellings like diamon / daemon and the history of its concepts through Zoroastrianism , Greek philosophy and Jung . THEN maybe you might start to gain an understanding of the concept .

I'm pretty sure that was the raccoon's meth pipe .... smart move blaming the old lady for it

You probably already have become 'prey' . This goes way beyond the concepts mentioned here . Consider indoctrination, advertising propaganda .... etc . One of the aims of demonology though is to improve and strengthen - and manage the right way - that 'strong inner conversation' . Then there is the question of how external are those 'external' forces ? If they were external, trouble comes about when they become internal . Or a lot more accurately , the other way around ; an internal force or drive becomes separated from the 'governor' and assumes or becomes convinced ( and then tries to convince you and itself ) that it is disparate . Not just the Bible - throughout the whole magical tradition ( well, the 'valid' tradition ) ; Its a Central theme and power source of Magick But also of Psychology Hence first steps like pentagram / banishing / middle piller , etc. exercises . BUT I note your inclusion of " strong enough " . Here is the issue - hence the 'subliminal approach' of the 'demon' ( whether spawned from an unresolved nagging internal doubt or an external Coca-cola advert) . It's a bit like saying if you are healthy enough you will not catch a cold . That takes some time and evolution to accomplish though . The Magician . O Lord, deliver me from hell's great fear and gloom!Loose thou my spirit from the larvae of the tomb!I seek them in their dread abodes without affright:On them will I impose my will, the law of light.I bid the night conceive the glittering hemisphere.Arise, O sun, arise! O moon, shine white & clear!I seek them in their dread abodes without affright:On them will I impose my will, the law of light.Their faces and their shapes are terrible and strange.These devils by my might to angels I will change.These nameless horrors I address without affright:On them will I impose my will, the law of light.These are the phantoms pale of mine astonied view,Yet none but I their blasted beauty can renew;For to the abyss of hell I plunge without affright:On them will I impose my will, the law of light. - Eliphas Levi . Are they not at least discouraged practice for the non-clergy in Christianity ... if not banned or even considered 'sinful' ? Does not the Bible preach against them ? Maybe I missed something , perhaps you are ordained and 'allowed' to practice magic in the church ? Sometimes one can realize one is immersed in a surrounding ocean of wrong doings - the correct path may not be clear at all for many. Then of course there is the huge blunder that one might be self assured they are full of right and righteousness ... we see that constantly . . Can you explain what this means please ? What does 'there is no occasional anger or depression ' mean ? You never have 'mood swings' . Are you talking about some 'above it all state ' where you are never effected by the external world due to your inner world being so illuminated ? Demonology has always been a part of magic though and its part of maintaining and cultivating a healthy inner world . I found that many many years back during some visits to a Kama Kargu temple - straight in the door ; demonic invocations . Yet all the monks there very happy and compassionate - they looked after a few homeless youth , and had taken in a one eyed cat and three legged dog , all there seemed to have ...... ' resolved ' certain things .

and which has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wrote . But anyway , I predicted a personally safe space from it , not getting it , Australia doing well during it compared to many other countries , it personally benefiting me and the environment and a financial boon . of course some here mocked and reviled me for that ... but as usual , my predictions where right . I'm wondering now if you got infected by COVID and what long term effects it had on you " You wrote ' There's no need to try to say anything smart or insightful. People have no use for such things " I said 'I DO " and now you wonder why I think you where 'referring to me ' ? What ? I am not 'people' now ? Your cognition regarding what you write seems faulty . I am sure this one is entirely relevant for you ;

The Christians . But they should not have ... they should have said it leads to hell and eternal damnation ! And that is without examining the whole historical concept and understanding of the term . I guess the Christina demonologists left that bit out ? Ya never know .... walking down the street one day and ..... Dr Wilson Van Dusen in his article 'Presence of spirits in madness ' observes that psychiatric patients that complain of possession or similar conditions are often previously 'normal people like me and you ' that have a strange event 'happen to them ' ... you need not have a history of 'psychosis' . and of course, as you hint, there a variety of other reasons to study as well .

There are many reasons that are valid , but I assume they are beyond you . And if one is going to study this , I would not recommend 'Christian demology' at all . No wonder you got a biased education on it !

better than getting a high from retaining and accruing and selfishness . I believe it is the essential interior human motivation . Sure we dress it up in all sorts of dignified clothing but ... if one can have honest and accurate introspection . As the saying goes " even Sister Teresa did all that because she wanted to ." ... and on examination , her whole 'service' now seems in doubt . Just because I help an animal does not mean I am its master .... that is entirely sus ! A dog is capable of finding his own water in my environment . As are the animals I share food with . Possum can find honey , but I enjoy feeding her some , not to be her 'master' , not at all . I think that is a very strange concept . By they way , I only have 'feral' pets ... we share the environment here 'naturally ' ... with the exception of a few fish in a tank . However I think I understand what you mean ... after observing some with pets . being master is not a good way to relate to animals ... all the good experts ( like horse whisperers and good dog trainers ) only use that approach with an animal that has a natural hierarchical instinct ( eg the head mare of a herd ) , and even then , the relationship is not based on force .

Daily Dao .

I do and I will thank you to NOT put your overall judgement on me that was formed within and from your own limited experiences . All you have accomplished in acting like an idiot here ( for some time ) is to add more stupid to the stupid soup and made people think you are not capable of anything smart or insightful . ... which you now claim to be capable of ? In any case it's an admission on your part so I feel justified in writing you off and not seeking to penetrate into the diamond quality I believe each possess - but a few deny or cannot find within themselves . - But maybe I am just too much of an optimist .

However there is a magical teaching that might relate to this ; " when a man sells his soul for gold " The relevant passages : " ... Be thou therefore prompt and active as the Sylphs, but avoid frivolity and caprice; be energetic and strong like the Salamanders, but avoid irritability and ferocity; be flexible and attentive to images like the Undines, but avoid idleness and changeability; be laborious and patient like the Gnomes, but avoid grossness and avarice. 20. So shalt thou gradually develop the powers of thy soul, and fit thyself to command the Spirits of the elements. For wert thou to summon the Gnomes to pander to thine avarice, thou wouldst no longer command them, but they would command thee. Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee. ... " - Liber Librae

The high mass is also interesting , it has all the aspects of a magical ceremony. Some say that's because magic is a blasphemous copy of Christian ritual . BS ! As you noted, the church has picked up a whole lot of ritual and regalia from elsewhere ... that's an interesting study ! There is more than one version of the Eucharist ceremony out there ; The simplest ; take a substance , charge it / make it holy/ invite God into it and then eat it . all the way through to ; - personally I much prefer a beautiful woman on the altar than a tortured dying man . But then again, I am in 'the cult of life' not the cult of death .

First look into the word 'devil' and then the origins and history of the idea . If you believe in such concepts why does it follow that certain beings want payment and others not .... unless you have the idea that 'they are just bad ' without examining the origins of that idea . In folk traditions it usually comes from the mines ..... underworld : underground .: mining : IE. where the goodies are . Its dangerous down there , many died . Making an offering to the underground dieties might help you keep your life (and your soul attached to your body the more modern ideas come from 'Dr Faust 'and 'Faustus' popular stories in their day . The modern icon of the man that 'selss his soul to the Devil' has been tagged generally as the 'scientists ' . I think it would be better and bear better fruit to examine the dynamics involved in the modern manifestation of the myth . ... oh yeah and consider what 'soul' can mean ; not just the end version of (one of them) Faust where he is literally dragged down into a hell but when a living person on earth has 'lost their soul' ..... or something is "soulless " And this Devil idea was generated by those same people that want to have control and power over you . I guess you mentioning a credit card threw me off Here is one idea ; you give a dog a drink of water and you enjoy watching him drink the water . His enjoyment of the experience is enough . Another idea is that the 'transaction' is constantly being enacted ; the Gods are not corporeal, they need our incarnations to experience the 'wonders of the physical ' .

I see ... its deliberate then is it ? Why not 'jazz up' the internet a bit then and grace it with something better than cartoon comparisons with subjects some here take rather seriously ?

Yes you are wrong ... and so where the 'saints and Christian scholars' ( if that indeed is what they taught us ? ) . In some religions magic is permissible as long as it is attributed to its deity or clergy . For other to get involved in magic it is considered evil and attributed to evil forces . Figure that one out ! No . Did you ever have to pay your Mother back ? ( I mean, for all the stuff you where given and asked for as a child . )

I had to quote this in case you come back and edit it out . This is the 'best one ' you have posted so far .

Rare sea star pet