Nungali

I know ... thats part of 'my' clarity . Its happening currently here too ... much to peoples shocked disbelief ! https://theconversation.com/abortion-is-back-in-the-headlines-in-australia-the-debates-in-the-united-states-tell-us-why-241778

And do you think that abortion and contraception, 'back then' created the same problems you seem to be attributing to society now because of abortion and contraception ?

Ummmm ... in this thread I am basing posts on academic research and my studies in Comparative Religion. When I studied at Sydney University the Religion lectures did not mention visitors from other star systems being Gods , books we read as teenagers or personal belief systems . Try this for a starter ; https://davidsolomon.online/2021/04/22/81-a-journey-through-jewish-philosophy-3/ " ... If you recall in the first session we talked about Philo in the first century, the famous Middle Platonist, and his enormous contribution to getting this idea of Jewish philosophy off and running. ... But if we understand the notion of the One, if we understand the notion of emanation and particularly understanding the notion of form and matter and divine will permeating all of reality. I know that scholars are always saying, Shlomo Ibn Gabirol didn’t really influence the Kabbalah, but everywhere you look in kabbalistic thought, you can see ideas that are reflective of Shlomo Ibn Gabirol’s picture of the world. So, Neoplatonism is a very, very heavy influence inside kabbalistic thought ... " . and https://cswr.hds.harvard.edu/news/2023/09/28/list-lecture-jewish-studies-adam-afterman-kabbalistic-neoplatonism-divine-emanation " Their first synthesis occurred in the writings of Philo, forgotten by rabbinic Jewish world until the Renaissance, and their second, during the 10th century and onwards in the Islamic Arabian Peninsula. The second attempt met with greater success, but also greater resistance, as may be attested by the enormous supposition that Moses Maimonides' grand synthesis met. Greek wisdom by most medieval Jewish rabbinic Jews was seen as, at best, as one option but not authoritative, and at worst, heretical. Nevertheless, the work of Maimonides and his predecessors was still absorbed by much of rabbinic Judaism, including somewhat surprisingly, kabbalistic writings. Perhaps the most crucial idea incorporated by medieval rabbinic Judaism was philosophical monotheism. The encounter with kalam thought and its emphasis on Tawhid led Jews in the 10th century to a more philosophical understanding of God's oneness, an incorporeal and transcendent oneness not subject to any category of change. This conception became so foundational to Judaism, even read as the intention of the most important biblical verse, "Hear, o, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." That later, Jewish thinkers identified it as the original Jewish idea that was later absorbed and adopted by the other monotheistic faiths. " - so there you have it , Jews adopted it so readily that they assumed they came up with it and where the source of this AND that Neo-platonism got its concepts from Judaism !

Sorry but I am finding your posts increasingly confusing . I think the debates are people expressing their views opinions and hopes . It isnt a smoke screen its rather clear who s in what camp and what for . confused again as it was you that defined the modern problems . I'll try again and go step by step and try for some clarity ; First , do you think ancient tribal people had contraception and abortion and practised it ?

One can trust in God without being a Christian .

From late friday to sometime before Sunday morning is NOT 3 days . I might try to get away with that on my work time sheet but my boss would be right onto it .

Indeed they didnt AND they had contraception and abortion ... so what is your point ? Or did you assume that 'former tribes' never did this , didnt have modern problems , ergo , Christianity - good socially (based on wrong knowledge ) or what ????

Ummmm ... lot of the things you attribute to Christianity , actually come from the modern enlightenment movement AWAY from rule by church and royal genetic lineage . You know, Freemasonry , the French Revolution, the founding of the USA ? As in Freemasonry , within the founders of the USA there were Christians among them – no deists – but the key Founders who were most responsible for the founding documents (Declaration of Independence and Constitution) and who had the most influence were 'theistic rationalists'.

I liked this one ; 'stealing ? what's that ? An anthropologist noted some huts in the village had the door with a stick propped up against it from the outside jamming it closed . he asked why and was told " The people there are away for a while .... no one home . " Anthropologist ; " But could not someone easily pull the stick out and open the door and go in ? " The villager was confused : " Why would anyone want to go in if no one was home ? " Punishment - spearing . A sort of 'test by combat ' .... fate will decide ; bad infraction - you are allowed to dance ( moving target, you can dodge and weave ) while they throw spears at you , serious infraction - stand still while they throw spears at you , really serious - hold your leg out in front and twisted to the outside, stand still (exposes the femoral artery ) . [ Favorite 'punishment story' ( and it might be an insight as to how they actually felt about it and 'worked' it ). Mid last century a show came to town - Mexican knife thrower , flashy , full out fit and attractive assistant (target ) . he came out to the place ( La perouse , outside of Sydney ) where aboriginals used to demonstrate their skills with boomerang , spears and a snake show , then pass the hat around . Mexican wanted to see it , at the end he talked to them, showed them his knives, they where very impressed with them and then he put on hos own show ( to promote his act ) . Set the woman assistant against a wooden board and outlined her with thrown knives . The aboriginals where totally confused about what was happening until one of them worked it out and explained it to the others , then they all smiled and understood ; " That must be his wife and she has been unfaithful to him, so she MUST be punished , according to Law , but we can tell he really must love her as its easy to see he deliberately missed every shot . " In a tribe where you share all, how can you steal anything ? But strangely enough, your most treasured possession can be stolen ! ... your wife, your children ..... your spirit

Its mostly on the early constructive phase, it hasn't actually become 'Judaism' yet . . Soon I will posting more about its adaptive phase where it became influenced by Neo-Platonism . I feel this is important as we have a relentless poster here that is continually stating the opposite happened and claiming all sorts of originating sources within Judaism , for the very things that existed outside of it , came into it , and gave it its specific identity ( one example is 'monotheism ' and 'emanation' ) .

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Only that I think the idea of 'king of the beasts' was adopted ; strong, fierce , etc . Why northern Europe more than other places ? WEel, I am southerner , better ask someone from up there

Agreed , its not first place but last resort . Some people dont stop until they come up against 'last resort' .... if they dont come up against any one or thing like that , they become 'unstoppable' . Its part of human nature for some . Check your 'Budoism'.

Even Australia 'appropriated ' a lion symbol - the classic Holden car emblem 'King of the beasts' , and all that .... they might have used a kangaroo instead , but thought that might indicate 'clutch problems' Dragons, eagles, ravens, snakes ; two levels of symbolism - a general mythological meaning that the country or area aspires to - as part of the myth associated with the founding of the state or country eg Mexico Eagle, snake and cactus . The legend says that the Aztecs left their home to look for a place to start a new life. Their god had told them to find a lake where an eagle with a snake in its beak would stand on a nopal cactus growing from a rock. That would be the place to build their new city. Eventually they saw just that and settled there .

Hey .... thats close to what I say when I get in trouble for a bad 'joke ' .

Either way , its a huge infraction of site rules - no insulting . I am not really worried though ... as long as you realize that 'opens the door' for a 'return volley ' . maybe thats the intent , to divert from the subject at hand ? You see, certain demonic forces have been attracted to this thread , due to its subject matter and content . Oh dear .... looks like I am going to have top do one of my on-liine exorcisms again ! Hoi- hum .

I know that . My posts are for others who might be interested in the subject and want to know about things without interference from those that nothing of this subject or want to convert it all to their specific 'cultural knowhow ' .

And a menorah is merely for holding up candles Note to others : " The Book of Abramelin tells the story of an Egyptian mage named Abraham, or Abra-Melin, who taught a system of magic to Abraham of Worms, a Jew from Worms, Germany " The ritual comes from an Egyptian who taught it to a Jew .... it isnt a Jewish ritual . So now Egyptians had no wands ... they where copies of a yad pointer [ " It is possible that wands were used by pre-historic peoples. It is mentioned that 'rods' (as well as rings) were found with Red Lady of Paviland in Britain. .... During the Middle Kingdom of Egypt, apotropaic wands began to be used during birth ceremonies. These wands were made out of hippopotamus tusks .... The earliest apotropaic wands used in Egypt were undecorated, but "from around 1850 BC, they were usually provided with decorations of apotropaic figures directly related to the sun religion, or particular aspects of it, inscribed on the convex upper side... most of whom carry knives to ward off evil forces".[3] These apotropaic wands were also inscribed with protective text ... The concept of magic wands was used by the ancient Greek writer Homer, in his epic poems ... . Homer wrote that magic wands were used by three different gods, namely Hermes, Athena, and Circe. In The Iliad, Homer wrote that Hermes generally used his magic wand Caduceus to make people sleep and wake up. In The Odyssey, Homer wrote that Athena used her magic wand to make Odysseus old, and then young again, and that Circe used her magic wand to turn Odysseus's men into pigs. ... By the 1st century AD, the wand was a common symbol of magic in Roman cults, especially Mithraism .]

'shit for brains ' ? That would be an insult , would it not ?

... and isnt the world going wonderfully !

Not as much as Islam though .

It was either that or 'Prince Sourdough' , I suggested (with avatar ) ; Sir Darius Sourdough III But he chose differently . I cannot force people to do what I want . However if anyone knows how I could do that , please PM me with details .